Young Justice Leaps

[TheFederation]

I'm an avid fan of the Young Justice animated series, it's one of the best, most mature and action-packed superhero shows I've seen in a while. there was recently a second series (that's still going on) called Young justice: invasion, and it is also good in the same way the first one was. but i noticed when someone commented on another video that they didn't like the 5 year time leap that happens in-between series. and while I don't dislike it too much, since it allowed some character growth, and introduced Jaime Reyes, the third blue beetle, and my favourite superhero ever. but it does get a bit old since we got so invested in the first series, but then in the five years in-between...

Spoiler

Aqua-lad turned evil
Aquagirl was introduced AND killed
Superboy and m'gann split up
Wally stopped fighting crime
he and Artemis are together
wonder woman has a sidekick
Garfield became beast boy (which was foreshadowed, but we're more told it happened)
Robin became Nightwing
Tim Drake became the new robin
(I presume) Jason Todd died (unless he doesn't exist in this universe)
Rocket and Zatanna and many more joined the justice league
Barbara Gordon becomes Batgirl (I think, since we don't see her being batgirl in the first series)
Superboy doesn't age
Chersire and Red arrow got married
and had a daughter
Ted Kord invented the alien Scarab attached to the current blue beetle, and got killed

I may have left out a few things, but those are some things that I noticed, which are quite a few. did you notice it, did it affect you, leave a comment.

 

[uneek]

I didn't mind the time leap. As long as we get some good stories out of it. I like how Miss Martian's character grew.

 

[TheNaut131]

I didn't mind the time leap. As long as we get some good stories out of it. I like how Miss Martian's character grew.

Yeah, I like how she out grew the whole "hello Megan" stage of teen-hood.

As for the time skip, I've been surprisingly cool with it. At first I was like, "da fuck is happening?" But I got used to it and I've come to enjoy the little drops the characters make, explaining what happened over the last 5 years.

On another topic, anyone else think Chersire is full of shit? She isn't technically full evil villain any more, but something doesn't seem right. I think Red Arrow is getting played.

 

[TheFederation]

On another topic, anyone else think Chersire is full of shit? She isn't technically full evil villain any more, but something doesn't seem right. I think Red Arrow is getting played.

it does seem odd that Red Arrow would't know they had a daughter (or at least, it looks like from his reaction that he didn't know)

 

[CODE-D]

Didnt like the first krolatains eps but the black manta episode and onward is good.
Especially blue beetle and the all girl team ep. Yowza.

 

[malestrithe]

On another topic, anyone else think Chersire is full of shit? She isn't technically full evil villain any more, but something doesn't seem right. I think Red Arrow is getting played.

it does seem odd that Red Arrow would't know they had a daughter (or at least, it looks like from his reaction that he didn't know)

I don't. I fear that this storyline will follow too closely to comic book one and something bad will happen to little Lian. Not so far as what actually happened to to her in the comic books, but something just as awful.

As for Red not knowing about the kid, he feels abandoned and would turn his back on friends and family. He managed to keep himself away from the notice of the League for a long time. Even Batman might not have known where he was.

Right now, I'm willing to give Jade the benefit of the doubt considering her home life growing up. Mom spent more time in jail than at home, while dad was not the best parent in the world. He did teach Artemis and Jade how to survive, but that is not the same as being a caring father. She seems the type to want to try a stable family life, one that she never had growing up, but my guess would be that Artemis would get that instead of her.

 

[DeimosMasque]

The problem is it allowed for character growth... that we didn't see. We have to be told it happened now rather than see it unfold and see the reactions too it.

The show is still very good, and Greg Weisman continues to be the man to go to when you want a great cartoon series that is entertaining without talking down to the viewer. But I can see where the time jump can be jarring.

We now have to be told, rather than see, five years of missions, character development, plot points, etc. That is not a good way to continue a story in any way except a multi-part plot line that ends with a "don't let this happen" idea at the end to the heroes.

 

[Navvan]

The time leap took me by surprise. I hadn't been paying attention to any promos and hardly watch CN except to watch Young Justice so I don't if they mentioned it prior to the airing of the episode. That said after the initial confusion its seems to pulling it off well and not wasting it. It would be annoying if they did it simply to change the roster but there is enough character growth of the original characters that it doesn't sting as much. Although I'm a bit sad we likely won't be seeing much of Zatanna anymore.

The whole thing with Aqualad kinda irritates me as the whole thing seems not only rushed, but done for plot convenience regardless of character traits/logic. Oh a tragedy happened to your girlfriend and you found out that you're the son of one the biggest enemies of the nation you were supposedly loyal to. Better become completely evil now cause you know that makes sense. I'm still hoping it ends up being a very well acted deep cover to take down Black Manta and learn about the "Lights" agenda.

As others have mentioned one of the more interesting things that has happened during the time jump was Miss Martians character development. She seems like a more well rounded character now, or at least a more interesting character. She went from near the bottom to near the top of the characters I like to see on screen list.

There are still some questions that I would like to see resolved. Particularly something to wrap up Artemis/Wally's story of why the decided to quit the team/being heroes. I'm a bit worried that its going to be more difficult to focus on a team/character interactions when they've expanded the roster so much but they are doing a decent job of it so far.

 

[Vausch]

Jason Todd is kinda ignored in young audience-aimed shows, mostly because of how gruesome his death was and that he's usually considered the worst Robin. Granted I thought Under the Red Hood was one of the best Batman movies I've seen in a long while and it really painted Jason in a sympathetic light while also fixing that Superboy Prime "retcon punch" BS.

Still, maybe we'll get a 52-esque story now, something that will gradually fill in the gaps from the perspectives of new or lesser-looked characters. Jaime could be a good viewpoint.

 

[Jarek Mace]

Why can't we just have more Justice League Unlimited? WHY?!

 

[Scarim Coral]

I actually like the whole timeskip as it add more mysteries to how it exactly happen like-

What was the mission that got Tula aka Aquagirl killed?
In which order did the newbies join?
How did Bumblebee and possible Herald (that guy on the monitor) aquire their powers and join?
When did Superboy and M'gann broke up and her hooking up with Lagoon Boy?

I mean it kind of like Legend of Korra since you don't exactly know what team Avatar did after Aang safe the world.
The only thing I didn't like about the whole timeskipped is it took them that long to find out what happen to those six League members during the 16 hours gap missing? I mean if they were that much of a wanted criminal on that planet, wouldn't a Green Lantern of that sector inform the Gaurdian that it was Hal Jorden friends that attack that plaent?

 

[uneek]

Another thing I'd like to mention is that there are some very awkward exposition dialogue in this new season. Like that one scene with Beast Boy and Miss Martian explaining what happened to them between seasons(mostly because they were saying things we already figured out by ourselves).

Why can't we just have more Justice League Unlimited? WHY?!

There's always gotta be one of you guys, is there?

 

[bernardblack]

I don't mind the time skip too much, because it's introducing a lot of cool new characters and developing the original team. I just hope they go back and show some flashbacks rather than just having characters talk about what happened during the five years. Showing would be a much better way to explain some of what happened. I would like to know why Wally and Artemis quit, how some of the newer members joined up, etc.

But so far I'm still really enjoying the series. Best superhero show that's been on in a few years.

 

[CynicalB]

The problem with this kinda of writing is that we'll never know the whole story. Sure we'll get the greatest hits but won't get the same detail (backstory and other stuff) with the new team like we did the old because most eps. will focus on what happened within the old team.

 

[DrgoFx]

I don't have a problem with the leap, but the time placement in the show makes me go "Wtf are they doing?" with a lot of things. Since it's not entirely bound to the time-line of the comics, it confuses me a bit, but it's not a huge issue.

 

[Lugbzurg]

I actually like the whole timeskip as it add more mysteries to how it exactly happen like-

What was the mission that got Tula aka Aquagirl killed?
In which order did the newbies join?
How did Bumblebee and possible Herald (that guy on the monitor) aquire their powers and join?
When did Superboy and M'gann broke up and her hooking up with Lagoon Boy?

I mean it kind of like Legend of Korra since you don't exactly know what team Avatar did after Aang safe the world.
The only thing I didn't like about the whole timeskipped is it took them that long to find out what happen to those six League members during the 16 hours gap missing? I mean if they were that much of a wanted criminal on that planet, wouldn't a Green Lantern of that sector inform the Gaurdian that it was Hal Jorden friends that attack that plaent?

Because, Young Justice still focuses on the same cast, and, since only 5 years have passed, instead of 70, there isn't this whole world of change to the point where you really don't need to understand anything that was in the previous show.

I really wish they had SHOWN a heck of a lot more. Frankly, why did they make a whole new show out of nowhere? They didn't do that with the time skip towards the end of Legion of Superheroes, so, why do it here?

 

[Scarim Coral]

I actually like the whole timeskip as it add more mysteries to how it exactly happen like-

What was the mission that got Tula aka Aquagirl killed?
In which order did the newbies join?
How did Bumblebee and possible Herald (that guy on the monitor) aquire their powers and join?
When did Superboy and M'gann broke up and her hooking up with Lagoon Boy?

I mean it kind of like Legend of Korra since you don't exactly know what team Avatar did after Aang safe the world.
The only thing I didn't like about the whole timeskipped is it took them that long to find out what happen to those six League members during the 16 hours gap missing? I mean if they were that much of a wanted criminal on that planet, wouldn't a Green Lantern of that sector inform the Gaurdian that it was Hal Jorden friends that attack that plaent?

Because, Young Justice still focuses on the same cast, and, since only 5 years have passed, instead of 70, there isn't this whole world of change to the point where you really don't need to understand anything that was in the previous show.

I really wish they had SHOWN a heck of a lot more. Frankly, why did they make a whole new show out of nowhere? They didn't do that with the time skip towards the end of Legion of Superheroes, so, why do it here?

Well I read somewhere they wanted Wondergirl in the original roster but they couldn't due to legal reasons. I guess the timeskipped is their way for adding her onto the team as the roster became big at the end of season 1.

 

[Lugbzurg]

Well I read somewhere they wanted Wondergirl in the original roster but they couldn't due to legal reasons. I guess the timeskipped is their way for adding her onto the team as the roster became big at the end of season 1.

Well, that makes even less sense than every Generation 1 character being lost, with the exception of Applejack and Spike.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Well I read somewhere they wanted Wondergirl in the original roster but they couldn't due to legal reasons. I guess the timeskipped is their way for adding her onto the team as the roster became big at the end of season 1.

Well, that makes even less sense than every Generation 1 character being lost, with the exception of Applejack and Spike.

What not to get?

They wanted Wondergirl in the show at the start but they couldn't because of some legal reason.

It's like how in the Legion of Superhero show they had to use the name Superman despite Clark wasn't a man yet because the name Superboy is own by someone and that person didn't want the name to be used in the show (eventhought in the comic he was going by the name Superboy in the Legion of Superheroes comicbook).

Sure you can argue why not simply add her to the first team in season 2 if they could not to do a timeskipped but they would of been a plothole since Wonder Woman never mention her in season 1. The way Wondergirl act in season 2 seen to imply she is somewhat new to being a superhero so the 5 years timeskipped kind of match to her inexperience.

 

[FilipJPhry]

Wait, the show was around for 5 years? Shit, I thought it debuted last year! I only watched like 3 episodes when I decided to stay in for Saturday nights. Looked okay.