Your opinion on KOTOR 2

[SageRuffin]

KotOR2 was cool and all, but the game was infested with more bugs than a termite's nest.

Addendum: Oh, and the game was terribly sexist against male exiles.

 

[KalosCast]

KotOR2 was cool and all, but the game was infested with more bugs than a termite's nest.

Ever play the first KotOR game before it got patched? Much worse than the second game.

My thoughts is that it was a great game that was overshadowed by its predecessor's popularity, getting screwed by their publishers, and just good old-fashioned Star Wars fans refusing to ever enjoy anything ever.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

KotOR2 was cool and all, but the game was infested with more bugs than a termite's nest.

Addendum: Oh, and the game was terribly sexist against male exiles.

I didn't mind so much. There are next to no Star Wars games where the lead is canonically female.

I felt the Female players were screwed for not being able to have Handmaiden.

 

[w-Jinksy]

the story is fucking bs, i loathe it with ever fibre in my being fuck off can one guy eat entire fucking plnets force but cant kill 3 fucking people this game sucks so bad it took away brain cells.

actually the only good thing i can say is that it didn't throw me to the main menu whenever i died.

 

[cthulhumythos]

they should've spent more time on it, it could've been something great....

 

[Talvrae]

Good, but the bug keep it to be as good as the first one

 

[JediMB]

KotOR2 was cool and all, but the game was infested with more bugs than a termite's nest.

Addendum: Oh, and the game was terribly sexist against male exiles.

I didn't mind so much. There are next to no Star Wars games where the lead is canonically female.

I felt the Female players were screwed for not being able to have Handmaiden.

Oh, yeah, for my recent playthrough I used a save editor to switch back and forth between male and female gender so that I could recruit the Handmaiden instead of whatshisface... without the game going nuts on me.

And, hey, I ended up having some sort of moment with Visas, which was appreciated.

 

[SageRuffin]

Ever play the first KotOR game before it got patched? Much worse than the second game.

I had it for the Xbox, so no.

I didn't mind so much. There are next to no Star Wars games where the lead is canonically female.

Oh, I don't mean that; I could care less that the exile is female in canon. Have you ever really sat down and listened to some of the dialogue while playing as a male exile? Kreia's the worst: she automatically assumes that you *ahem* "wanna go charging into Visas' cargo bay" and even questions you on why you haven't, she makes a phallic reference about your lightsaber when you reveal that you wanna make a new one, and there are a few more lines of dialogue said by other characters that I can't remember. And of course, not being able to recruit certain party members based on your own gender (the handmaiden is a better party member anyway).

 

[robinkom]

It was great except for the glitches and the end. No real ending is disappointing. Also was a little annoyed at the lack of consistency with some of the dialog pertaining to your character's gender. I played a female Jedi and several times was referred to as "he" and "him."

 

[crudus]

I thought it was better than the first one except the beginning. I hate that beginning.

It's been a while since Knights of the Old Republic 2 hit the shelves.
Some say this game didn't live up to it's predecessor, some say it did.
Some say that it's a good game. Some say that this almost killed the genre. Some say it was too rushed and so on.

I'm interested in The Escapist's opinions on this game! Graphical, Narrative, all the good (And the bad) stuff!

I am more interested in their reasoning behind people who say "it almost killed the genre".

 

[LarenzoAOG]

I think the writers and voice actors are among the best ever, but the development team could have been better.

 

[Krythe]

Kotor 2 could have been amazing, better than the first, had it actually been finished.

This. The first time I played a restored content mod I was genuinely struck dumb by how good the dialouge and storyline were, and they weren't even really bad to begin with, just felt lacking somehow.

Executive meddling has always been the bane of the Star Wars universe...

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

I think that I loved it more than the original. I think...I've been getting them confused since it's been so long, and I played them both straight through.

What were some characters from KOTOR and some from KOTOR2?

I remember the party members, mostly. Just can't put them with their correct games...

kotor 1

Revan
Darth malak
saul
bastila shan
jolee bindo
juhani
mission vao
"big Z" the wookie
carth onasi
candorous ordo
hk-47 (<< although these last three are in both games technically)
T3-M4

kotor 2

Atton
Bao-dur
Kreia
Visas Marr
Disciple
Handmaiden
Mira the bounty hunter
and G0-T0 (big floating black ball robot)

(yes i did actually enjoy typing all these down, kotor fanboyism at its core)




ot: i really did like the 2nd one, bugs dont bug me that much at all compared to most people (hinting as to why i love obsidians games) and with the restoration mod, man does it make for some fun, i dont know if i have ever had as much epic fun as i did the first couple times going through the planet onderon (2nd time, when you come back to save/destroy it), going up the long walkway...ahhh nostalgia

they each have their strong points, but for overall polish and how many times i've beaten it, ill say kotor 1, its one of very very very very few games (as in maybe 3-5 games) that has had me drop my jaw in pure epic awesomeness.

Okay. It was 2 that I liked better.

 

[The Hot Sauce Thief]

I did love the 2nd game, the story was very good and had more combat and gameplay skills than the 1st

i still love the 1st more though, it may be the party, the story or something but i think its just better...

still wish they made a number 3 so i could see Revans story more though i know most of what happened

 

[Yosato]

I prefered the gameplay, the different lightsaber forms were a great addition and even greater was the ability to influence your characters (and make some eventually become jedi).

But I prefered the story and the characters of the first, not that the second didn't have some good characters (Bao-Dur was pretty awesome) but the first was just more. . . memorable.

 

[The Madman]

Is it just me, or did the RCM make the ending a lot more confused/confusing than it originally was? I can't help getting the impression that I got multiple different endings mashed together, where I both destroyed Malachor V and left Visas there to guide future arrivals.

But, yeah, overall I have to say that I prefer KotOR II after I recently played through both games. Despite its issues, I love all the improvements Obsidian made to what BioWare created for the first game, just like I do when I compare Obsidian's New Vegas to Bethesda's Fallout 3.

Not at all, like I said, the games plot is more complex but at the cost of also being more confusing than the first games more straight forward story. The disadvantage of that being things can often be confusing and you're not always certain why things are happening the way they are, the advantage being that those little mysteries clear up by playing the game multiple times and exploring all the different options throughout, leading to greater re playability. Sacrificing accessibility for depth and lasting appeal... I think Obsidian made the right choice. Trying to compete with Kotor 1's sucker-punch of a plot twist would have been suicide, it's better that the developers instead went with a different take instead!

One of my favourite elements of Kotor 2 however is actually the way in which the plot advances, and I really wish more games would take this approach to story telling.

No amnesia or newbie excuse, right from the start your character, the Exile, knows what's going on and it's the player who is slowly being filled in on the details. This helps both progress the story as well as make the protagonist more of an independent character, something hard to do in these sorts of rpg. True it can be a bit confusing at first as the character meets people they already knew but the player doesn't, but at the same time through proper narrative those bridges in the players knowledge are filled and again, the protagonist of the game seems much more alive from the experience. Kotor 2 is one of very, very few rpg I can think of which do this and one of an even smaller minority which pull it off well!

I'm just so bloody sick of the Amnesia excuse or the 'chosen one' plotlines that typically fill the rpg genre. Hell, The Witcher for example I think would have boasted a better opening sequence were this the approach it took rather than the tired old amnesia cliche.

 

[MrTiki]

KotOR 1 was an amazing game, i would give it a 10/10 and theres only 2 games i give a 10/10 (that and Mass Effect 2). Now on the other hand, KotOR 2 is an amazing game as well and sits in my top 10 as number 7.

Only 2 games? What about Half Life 2? What about Civilization 4 (haven't tried 5 yet)? What about Rome Total War? Have people really forgotten about these games?