Your opinion on Naked Body Scanning

[Player 2]

You're not naked. For gods sake did any of you look at the picture in the op? A blank patch between the legs and bumps on the chest. It wont matter if kids go in it either because they're not going to be fucking naked in the scan!

Although these kind of threads crack me up. So many paranoid fuckwits screaming "ORWELLIAN" and "BIG BROTHER" Comedy gold.

with the man scans you can see their bollocks but yeah whatever.

 

[Steveh15]

Although these kind of threads crack me up. So many paranoid fuckwits screaming "ORWELLIAN" and "BIG BROTHER" Comedy gold.

Lol, I love that as well.

Personally, I don't remember the chapter in 1984 where Winston walks through a body scanner as semi naked picture of him is taken, quickly examined for abnormalities, and then destroyed.
I may have missed it in between the bits about the State massively enroaching on his personal lives and thoughts and then brainwashing him, which as far as I know, isn't part of the governments airport plans.

 

[JWAN]

I think they should stop frisking 90 year old grandmas and focus a little more on people coming from 3rd world countries that turn out high amounts of terrorists. Also government agencies need to make the "no-fly list" communicate with other warning programs.

Also Id like to thank that guy (an artist it turns out) who tackled that 3rd rate terrorist dick sucker, and also say that I admire is will power to not kill the terrorist as soon as he got him to the ground.
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and also I don't think its that revealing. Id rather have someone see my general outline then have some ************ blow up my plane.

 

[JWAN]

If i was fat i would be pissed.

But im not, so im not.

Im chubby but Id rather get scanned than "blowed the hell up".

Its an external fuel tank for the sex machine

 

[nonl33t m4st3r]

I approve. I've heard many a story where captured insurgents have hidden weapons in, um, certain areas of the body where a pat-down wouldn't catch them.

EDIT: and on certain people, like old ladies and such.

 

[nonl33t m4st3r]

After each plot that came reasonably close to completion/has been completed commercial aviation security procedures have evolved to counter it, thus preventing an attack of the same nature happening again. If this new security loophole is not blocked up we may well see more attacks in the future.

I for one would rather have to undergo an additional circuitry procedure to guarantee my safety (and why are people moaning about the procedures that are in place at the time? They normally barely take up a few minutes of your time at the maximum with the exception of queuing).

Furthermore think of the airline crews. I am training for my private pilots license with the hope of getting into commercial aviation after university. In this day and age I would not pilot in aircraft with unknown passengers that have not undergone reasonably thorough security procedures. Unfortunately the inherent lack of redundancy attributed to all aircraft makes them incredibly easy to take down, and with a few hundred people inside its effectively a sitting (well you know what I mean...) duck for terrorists. Until the day aircraft fuselages can be made out of 5ft of steel it will always be necessary to undergo these procedures, weather we like them or not.

Where do you go? Embry-Riddle (I'm deeply sorry)? UND?

 

[captainwolfos]

Personally I don't care.
Hell, I'd happily wander around an airport naked. Their response would most probably be something along the lines of 'okay, you can go through, just put some damned pants on'. I had this same conversation with my mother a few days ago.

I'm more upset about the other regulations on what you aren't allowed to bring on the plane.

A friend of mine recently complained about the fact some dude had managed to get onto an aeroplane with a shitload of syringes, and yet she couldn't even get her lipgloss through customs. And when I went to the states I was allowed to bring back a giant lighter with a naked flame, but not a lighter which didn't actually have a flame (a friend of my dad's collects lighters, for some odd reason).
I don't understand airport rules and regulations on what can and can't be taken through, but some of them are quite ridiculous.

 

[Sparrow]

Thank god I don't live in Ameirca. I don't want some spotty prick behind a desk staring at my wang whilst I'm arguing with some other spotty prick that it was actually their fault my bag got lost, not mine.

 

[primitivescrewhead]

The only people who have a real problem with this are people with something to hide

 

[Danpascooch]

I think the scanners will be annoying, and are unnecessary but for everyone saying "OH NO IT WILL SEE ME NAKED!":

look at that picture, really, look at it, you can see a vague white body shape, it makes no more sense to be freaked out about exposing yourself with that then to be freaking out about your shadow showing yourself naked.

After all, your shadow is pretty much an outline of your body, so is this, just slightly sharper and white. If I saw nipples and genitalia, or this was in color or something, I would agree, but come on, its like getting outlined in chalk then having it filled in with white.

Chill the fuck out guys

 

[Danpascooch]

The only people who have a real problem with this are people with something to hide

Like lady gaga?

 

[Danpascooch]

Thank god I don't live in Ameirca. I don't want some spotty prick behind a desk staring at my wang whilst I'm arguing with some other spotty prick that it was actually their fault my bag got lost, not mine.

What makes you think this only happening in America?

Since the Detroit thing, domestic travel security has been barely changed, it is flights from OTHER countries coming INTO America where security is beefed up.

Even if you don't fly to America, they are really just as likely to come to the UK

 

[Xeros]

I have no problem with it, but if they stare at my junk, they're getting decked.

 

[primitivescrewhead]

The only people who have a real problem with this are people with something to hide

Like lady gaga?

Yes, exactly like Lady gaga

 

[Therumancer]

-massive snip-

Your point was well thought-out and argumentitive, but it seems to be a fact that the US helps to cause more problems than it solves. The Cold War, the disastorus Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, and now Afghanistan, with Yemen most likely to follow.

The problem is that the US were far to trusting of the Taliban; if they had put a stop to them at the start then Al Queda might have had a lot less support. Who knows, we might have even caught Bin Laden.

I'm not bashing the US; I just feel like that they are too inept to judge when to use diplomacy and when to fight.

Oh I agree with you, I think we use far too much diplomacy, have far too much trust, and try and empower too many people to solve their own problems when we agree with the general issue. Perhaps not what you mean, but something I've been saying for a while.

Truthfully though a lot of those were not bad things. The Cold War for example was one of our better moments. We had international support with that, but in general a lot of people didn't want us to remain the global guardian/police after it was over. The US made a lot of sacrifices and such during that time period for the benefit of a lot of people, but once it ended we pretty much tend to get a "what have you done for us lately?" attitude. Also I will say that I think the globe tends to be very short sighted compared to America. I think people abroad aren't concerned enough about Russia and China and the way they are currently building/rebuilding and behaving. Being concerned mostly with immediate trade benefits and the like rather than the long term repercussians of what they are allowing to get moving. Long term thinking doesn't make us all that popular when it comes down to a nation missing out on something they want right now, even if it means making a deal with the devil so to speak.

Veitnam was a mess, but largely because we pretty much held to our principles. Generally speaking we agreed to help any progressive/democratic nation against the incursion of Communism. We were asked by the legitimate goverment of Veitnam to help put down a Communist uprising. When we got into it we pretty much learned that the goverment we were trying to protect was hardly democratic or progressive, and as corrupt as all get out. There were no 'good guys' and no way we could have completed our objectives. Even if we had say deployed WMD on the VC, and went all out with war crimes, in the end when we left we would have wound up making a regime dominant that was even worse than what we thought about the commies.

These guys were no real active threat to the US (either faction) and to complete our objective we would have basically had to decimate both sides, and then take the responsibility of trying to rebuild the remnants into something like what we were supposed to be protecting to begin with.

All referances in things like "Watchmen" aside, consider that even had we done the above, Vietnam was a war about principle on a lot of level, and that is why a lot of our willingness to be assertive suffered. We could never have annexed Veitnam even with a godlike "Doctor Manhatten" without massive problems because simply put Veitnam has very little in the way of resources. It would turn into an economic sinkhole for the rest of the country, that would produce very little, and in the final equasion didn't even present that strategic a position.

I mean we already have Japan under eternal occupation (any way you look at it), and the place covered with major naval bases and such. It's our big "foothold" in the Far East, and far better than trying to constantly defend Veitnam would have been.

That's simply how I see things though.

In the end America isn't perfect (noone is), we make mistakes, but our intentions are usually good at least. We also do manage to succeed a lot more than we fail providing we don't try and plop down military forces and think we can create a progressive society simply by being there where there are no real "good" guys.

I expect in the end I'm going to have to agree to disagee with most people. Veitnam was a bit before my time for example, and I only know what I've read (from a couple of differant perspectives) and what people like my father and one of my uncles have said once in a while. My father didn't actually go to Veitnam, but he WAS in the army and was a driver/bodyguard for a general here in the US (when he was much younger, and long before working for Corrections which is what he does now).

 

[Scarred Coyote]

Well, mostly against it...

1. the whole "Big Brother" thing
"well, thats not good enough security, you must all have an RFID chip/GPS chip implanted,
for total security!"

If memory serves me correctly, nazi germany collected a shitload of info on everybody "for security" (oh and to find out who was suited best to be sent to deathcamps)

And NO i'm not comparing the 2 events, but its a slippery slope.....
Very few oppressions and fascist government became so overnight, on the whole they all went
from slightly bad, to reaally not nice to totally fucked up.....

2. (at an terrorist meeting)

"damn! we can't get a bomb on board a plane anymore!
oh, wait, never mind guys, i just got a SWEET deal on some second hand stinger and 9K38 surface-to-air, heatseeking missiles!"

http://www.howstuffworks.com/stinger.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K38_Igla
http://www.kbm.ru/en/product/manpads/igla

When the US/NATO first "invaded" afghanistan several helicopters where hit or almost hit by (outdated) stingers fired by the Taliban (and given to the Taliban by the US during the russian-afgan war of the 80ties)and guess who are good friends with the Taliban? Yup thats right, everybodies favorite terrorist, Al qaida.........

Look, "suicide bomber on a plane" is simply the cheapest and easiest way to down a plane, when that is no longer possible, they'll simply find another way....

Kinda like the media industry trying to protect against piracy ;-)

Meh, i'd probably not object to going though one, but still, slippery slope.....
(Patriot Act anyone?)

 

[That One Six]

I'm fine with it. The image isn't clear enough to really be 'violating' me, and it's certainly one hell of a lot better than being searched because your belt buckle is metal. Also, I never go anywhere so this doesn't affect me.

 

[Virus0015]

Where do you go? Embry-Riddle (I'm deeply sorry)? UND?

Ha, no where near uni at the moment, I have about 10 flying hours on a Robin 2112 and DR/400 (the latter handles like a tank). Going to study engineering (as far as I know they don't offer those sort of courses in the UK), and either join the RAF, look for an aviation apprenticeship or otherwise have to fund my own way up to a CPL.

 

[Nerdfury]

Think of it this way - for every hottie, there's a hundred fatties and the jerts at security will have to ogle each and every one of them.