Your opinion on Spawn-Trapping + Spawn Camping
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I've played WoW, and I know your pain as my own. But, it only happens when your team is unfortunately outmatched, or when they are terribly unskilled. Usually both. When it gets to that point and the team can't muster to overcome, you've been had, and they didn't even buy you dinner first. It's your teams fault for letting it happen.
On CoD, it's a similar story. if your team has been beat back to your spawn, you deserve to be beaten by the better team. If it's FFA, someone will knife the bastard eventually, there's no way to cover every single spawnpoint.
On CoD, it's a similar story. if your team has been beat back to your spawn, you deserve to be beaten by the better team. If it's FFA, someone will knife the bastard eventually, there's no way to cover every single spawnpoint.
Ooh, resorting to the good old ad hominem, I see. Very classy.SimuLord said:
Read <url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.170491.4655960>this post, please.
Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
It's the creator's faults to make it possible to spawn camp and spawn kill. It's only natural people would want to abuse it.
Remember people:
Anonymity+Regular guy=Fucktard.
It's the creator's faults to make it possible to spawn camp and spawn kill. It's only natural people would want to abuse it.
Remember people:
Anonymity+Regular guy=Fucktard.
Please pardon this "lol hes not hardcoar, noob" question but what's spawn-camping? Is that similar to playing Goldeneye64 and having one of the players put proximity mines in all the respawn locations?
I have problems with you, also. First, you assume that somehow or other people on the Internet are going to co-operate with you if you don't know them, which is almost always wrong. A lot of people will just say "stfu fag" and mute you. Second, your scenario was nothing like mine, given that you were against one man, whereas in my (hypothetical) scenario it was the entire enemy team that was attempting to spawnrape. If you are playing with friends, overcoming spawncampers is very, very easy due to communication. If you are playing with randoms on MW2 or something, it can be very, very difficult. Most people will sit back in a corner until they either lose, leave or just give up.KylethePeon said:
My scenarios (apart from the WoW one) occur on Live, a notoriously inhospitable place for communicative players due to half of the population having an IQ of under forty, being immensely homophobic and shouting down their microphones at anyone with the levels of audacity to attempt to create any sort of co-ordinated assault. Perhaps you play with friends or get lucky with teammates, but for me, it usually ends up being some very irritating pit of camping (With Infinity Ward's horribly broken spawn system being a catalyst for the situation).
In reference to the WoW situation, it is a statistical fact that you will die when surrounded.
...weary said:
People can do that?
Ah, yet another reason not to touch most multiplayer shooters. [sings "Ain't No Rest for the Wicked"]
It's cheap as all hell and I hate it under any circumstances.
There are a few games where it isn't as bad like TF2, since you can wait in the spawn room and prepare to break through the campers, but other games don't give you such a chance. You spawn, you die.
It is partly the fault of the level and game designers for allowing it to be possible, but it is far more the fault of the people who carry it out. "CAN does not equal SHOULD or make it right in any way", after all.
There are a few games where it isn't as bad like TF2, since you can wait in the spawn room and prepare to break through the campers, but other games don't give you such a chance. You spawn, you die.
It is partly the fault of the level and game designers for allowing it to be possible, but it is far more the fault of the people who carry it out. "CAN does not equal SHOULD or make it right in any way", after all.
There is always going to be people who exploit these things, ALWAYS! The developers should know this so I say it's their fault for making it possible.
It's pretty fun though, ruining the game for everyone else, you get a good laugh out of it.
It's pretty fun though, ruining the game for everyone else, you get a good laugh out of it.
Would it be too much to ask for you to take your personal flamewar into PMs? It's basically turned into you calling him a 'scrub', him calling you a 'cheeser' etc, and, personally, I don't think that it's contributing to discussion.hURR dURR dERP said:
sOrt of, yes. It's the act of locating the place where the opponents spawn, and camp in a location so enemies can be shot the instant they spawn.SageRuffin said:
I hate spawncamping. While I agree that it wouldn't be so bad if people could coordinate and push them back(in fact, that'd make the game awesome... A team effort to beat back the harder odds), but as I play mainly on the consoles, it's a *****. Not everyone have mics, and those that do, usually use them for idiotic comments, or to boradcast to everyone what shitty music they are listening to. There is very little team coordinating on the consoles, since it's just not possible, so when you have to do something "complex" against something "basic" (breaking out of a spawncamp situation), you only have yourself to rely on, unless you luck out and hivemind.
I've never neen much of a pc-player, but I've been playing some Killing Floor lately, and seen a huge difference in the communication ingame... I think I wouldn't be far off if I said that pc-players are the better type to communicate with, and I say that as a mainly console gamer.
English isn't my native tongue either, having learned maths in an english speaking language however and having the whole 'have to show working' ordeal yelled at me more times than I can remember I may have assumed it obvious for all. In any case it wasn't meant as an insult, but I do often use references and metaphors in my comments, in comparisson I thought maths would be the same in all languages really, what I forgot to take into account was that not everyone was so incessive about sticking mainly to answer [as I have been]. In any case I appologize if it seemed like condescension.hURR dURR dERP said:
I'll skip back onto topic now.
My point about the kill game wasn't to say that its only players who are at fault, of course its the developers but I wouldn't trust them to make me a cheese sandwich (granted I hate cheese, but the word was stuck in my mind), imagine the game was perfect in every single way, but it had that kill option (its pretty impossible for me to imagine a perfect FPS, huh) and instead of playing the game properly people just employed that feature to win, it requires no real strategy (though its occured to me that when we speak about spawn camping, we may be picturing different scenarios, as in my mind its a simple 'I'm sitting here pointing exactly where the persons gonna spawn, killing him within the second and he'll be respawning within the next 3) and ends up taking away from the 'game' aspect of the game. This is simply how I see spawn camping. I won't disagree that getting to the point of spawn camping may take a small feat of skill, but spawn camping itself is hardly something I'd call a strategy, that's all.
The games as you describe it seem based only on the spawn camping aspect of it, as if there's nothing else at play, and if that were the case than I'd hardly imagine anyone to play it. But there is more, even for shitty games. I always find the ones who spawn camp to be stat whores (the term's not meant to be offensive). Having played Savage I can tell you whenever the game starts to go downhill for a team, most players (and most of those belonging to clans) will straight away ditch the team and not even try to fight back, the simple reason being they'll die more than they'll kill because at that point its not so much a question of skill as it is technology, even then it isn't impossible. Hell, I've had games where I held them off for a good 20 minutes with 4 other players, I've had others where I wasn't ditched straight away and we actually managed to push them back.
When I play a game its to play the game, yes winning is nice, but if that's all I wanted I'd go play russian roulette with myself and fill all the chambers up with dynamite.
(hope I didn't lose track of my argument, I'll be checking it again when off work, =])
Hmmm... I'm sitting here trying to argue against Spawn Campers and to be honest, the reason I don't play many online games and say hell no to an X-box is because of players who think 'noob' is one of the worst insults ever and mispell it constantly for the hell of it.OptimusPrime33 said:It's the tactics of n00bs who want easy kills but don't wanna work for the fucking thing.
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there, all covered =]
I just came from a 30 minute game in killzone 2 where my team was spawn trapped by a full 16 man opposing team. it was on radec academy. one way out was down a sewer, and up a ladder, and there were always 4 people shooting anyone who tried climbing up. the other dozen enemy players just sat in the room adjacent to our spawn, while one last of their team capped all objectives. just awful.
spawncamping is really a sad tactic for people who take videogames way more serious than they should.
spawncamping is really a sad tactic for people who take videogames way more serious than they should.
Studies show that spawn campers rape children in their off time. They actually live lives following the simple principle "Score the easiest way you can find."
I'd argue with it but this is science people.
I'd argue with it but this is science people.