Your take on pre-owned games.
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do you reckon the poster is being like this on purpose, waiting for someone to go "don't you get it? you hopeless bastard" and then we can all laugh.esperandote said:
oh you hopeless bastard (insert exaggerated wink here... and correct spellings)
It's my own personal way of telling publishers "Your games are too damn expensive!"
I do it as often as possible unless I really want to support the developer.
Besides, as a student money's not only tight, but it's like one of those anime skin-tight suits.
I do it as often as possible unless I really want to support the developer.
Besides, as a student money's not only tight, but it's like one of those anime skin-tight suits.
To the people bickering about Illegal downloading, Copyright Infringement, and its relations to the Used game trade.
In Illegal downloading one copy of a game is used by multiple people outside of the current owner of the product. It has nothing to do with someone not getting paid.
In used games one copy of a game changes hands, with never more then one copy being used. If i trade in a used game and someone else buys it I still can't play the game unless i know the person.
If i put a game on the net me, jim, james, john, jack, jessy, jennifer, jordan.... etc can all play using the same copy of the license. Which is why its illegal. It has nothing to do with people getting money. It's about the usage of a license.
Copyright Infringement is if you sell said illegal copies of the product.
Used games are neither.
ID would involve multiple copies of said product existing. They don't. Only one exists so it is NOT Illegal Downloading.
CI would involve turning a profit by selling copies of said games without a license. So If I were to create an illegal copy of a game and sell it then I am committing a crime. If i sell my friend the original and only copy of said game I am not breaking the law. If i sell it to a pawn shop, or trade it in at a retailer i am not breaking the law. Namely because Retailer and Pawn shops have the correct licenses to perform such services. They are legally allowed to perform said services. No matter how much publisher may *****.
Private dealings are legal as well as they do not go over a certain amount. Thus why I don't need a specific license to sell my car.
Lending a game or movie is not illegal downloading or Copyright infringement either, as legally only one person or group of persons is using the product.
In the case of inviting friends over it still is not considered illegal as your not publicly distributing the video. Its a private viewing and no charges are being made. You can legitimately lend movies as long as not a penny is made. Its an interesting little loophole that makes the licensee agreement note that's been brought up void. They can TRY to charge you for it, but if you can prove you didn't make a penny off it you can counter sue for legal fees, and probably more.
IF it were illegal to do such a thing David Anez and Brian Clevinger (Makers of Bob and George and 8-bit theater respectfully) would be so far up shit creek it would not even be funny. Same with ANYONE who makes a parody on the net. The reason why any flash artist who parodies movies and games are not rotting in a cell is due to this little fact. All copyright laws are not applied if no money is charged for access to said parody or project.
It's also why Mods and MMO-EMU sites are legal as well as long as everyone involved is using a legitimate copy to play said game.
Any publisher complaining its as bad as ID and CI are not very smart and need to shut up.
Anyone else trying to make parallels to these very different things to justify not paying for video games, movies or music is equally in need of shutting up.
OT: Pre-owned games are usually only 5 bucks cheaper for me. So its normally worth it to me to fork over the 5 buck for the new copy.
In Illegal downloading one copy of a game is used by multiple people outside of the current owner of the product. It has nothing to do with someone not getting paid.
In used games one copy of a game changes hands, with never more then one copy being used. If i trade in a used game and someone else buys it I still can't play the game unless i know the person.
If i put a game on the net me, jim, james, john, jack, jessy, jennifer, jordan.... etc can all play using the same copy of the license. Which is why its illegal. It has nothing to do with people getting money. It's about the usage of a license.
Copyright Infringement is if you sell said illegal copies of the product.
Used games are neither.
ID would involve multiple copies of said product existing. They don't. Only one exists so it is NOT Illegal Downloading.
CI would involve turning a profit by selling copies of said games without a license. So If I were to create an illegal copy of a game and sell it then I am committing a crime. If i sell my friend the original and only copy of said game I am not breaking the law. If i sell it to a pawn shop, or trade it in at a retailer i am not breaking the law. Namely because Retailer and Pawn shops have the correct licenses to perform such services. They are legally allowed to perform said services. No matter how much publisher may *****.
Private dealings are legal as well as they do not go over a certain amount. Thus why I don't need a specific license to sell my car.
Lending a game or movie is not illegal downloading or Copyright infringement either, as legally only one person or group of persons is using the product.
In the case of inviting friends over it still is not considered illegal as your not publicly distributing the video. Its a private viewing and no charges are being made. You can legitimately lend movies as long as not a penny is made. Its an interesting little loophole that makes the licensee agreement note that's been brought up void. They can TRY to charge you for it, but if you can prove you didn't make a penny off it you can counter sue for legal fees, and probably more.
IF it were illegal to do such a thing David Anez and Brian Clevinger (Makers of Bob and George and 8-bit theater respectfully) would be so far up shit creek it would not even be funny. Same with ANYONE who makes a parody on the net. The reason why any flash artist who parodies movies and games are not rotting in a cell is due to this little fact. All copyright laws are not applied if no money is charged for access to said parody or project.
It's also why Mods and MMO-EMU sites are legal as well as long as everyone involved is using a legitimate copy to play said game.
Any publisher complaining its as bad as ID and CI are not very smart and need to shut up.
Anyone else trying to make parallels to these very different things to justify not paying for video games, movies or music is equally in need of shutting up.
OT: Pre-owned games are usually only 5 bucks cheaper for me. So its normally worth it to me to fork over the 5 buck for the new copy.
Its ok, its just, if it doesnt work, its a waste of time to get a new one or get a refund. Also, if your playing a long ass game and it turn out that after 50+ hours of gameplay happens and it stops working before the ending, theres a chance you passed the timed refund privilige.
Lifeblood of the industry.
Im becoming convinced if there wasnt a resell market for games.. it really wouldnt take long for games to deteriorate in quality and quantity, basically as an industry contraction.
Over 50% of gamers buy used games. Alot of time it exposes them to new and different things on the notion, hey its just a couple bucks, Ill give it a try.
I think it would also severely limit who plays games especially being in an economic state as we have been in for the last few years, not everyone who wants to can afford to drop full price, for new or 20$ for GH titles.
Loosing the "dregs" of gaming means that developers would be able to further specialize titles and cater them to the people who still buy them via DD. you would see less variety in games, perhaps more refined, but likely less games as developers wouldnt want to risk resources on something that doesnt perfectly meet their niche. (example: look at madden now compared the football game market a decade ago)
We all know what happens from here. Social political uprising as the general populus feels that they are oppressed, leading us into a war in which virtually all humanity is wiped from the face of the planet, and what is left become deevolved and yielding global dominance to monkeys who develop their own society as they evolve. Eventually they would develop their own video game technology and inevitably it would follow the same pattern of expansion then contraction, resulting in their idol of freedom being buried shoulder deep in sand.
Yes, this is exactly how it would go.
Im becoming convinced if there wasnt a resell market for games.. it really wouldnt take long for games to deteriorate in quality and quantity, basically as an industry contraction.
Over 50% of gamers buy used games. Alot of time it exposes them to new and different things on the notion, hey its just a couple bucks, Ill give it a try.
I think it would also severely limit who plays games especially being in an economic state as we have been in for the last few years, not everyone who wants to can afford to drop full price, for new or 20$ for GH titles.
Loosing the "dregs" of gaming means that developers would be able to further specialize titles and cater them to the people who still buy them via DD. you would see less variety in games, perhaps more refined, but likely less games as developers wouldnt want to risk resources on something that doesnt perfectly meet their niche. (example: look at madden now compared the football game market a decade ago)
We all know what happens from here. Social political uprising as the general populus feels that they are oppressed, leading us into a war in which virtually all humanity is wiped from the face of the planet, and what is left become deevolved and yielding global dominance to monkeys who develop their own society as they evolve. Eventually they would develop their own video game technology and inevitably it would follow the same pattern of expansion then contraction, resulting in their idol of freedom being buried shoulder deep in sand.
Yes, this is exactly how it would go.
Dude, I'm ending this. Stop talking about how pre-owned and pirating are the same thing. Once you have bought the game it's yours to do with as you please. However, by law you aren't allowed to copy that game. Once you buy something, you can sell it. This is how people make money.Hopeless Bastard said:
Whether you paid a tramp to steal it or not is irrelevant in this case because we're talking pre-owned, not stolen. Can you leave the subject now? Everything is sorted, right? If not then look at it this way:
Piracy = Illegal
Pre-owned = Legal.
indeed...but as i said this is only my hair-brained interpretation...i could just be insane...in fact it is quite likely...esperandote said:
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....stop looking at me swan!
oh dear god....you blew it up....you really blew it up!! YOU DAMN DIRTY APES!!!! *ahem* sorry...i couldn't help myself...viranimus said:
*goes and sits in the corner*
While I like to back a developer if I can, in my country you have to have a license to sell anything second hand and there is a two week holding period from when the store receives it to when they can sell it.
So it's perfectly legal and with that I have no problem, of course if it's a game I have been looking forward like for example, Batman: Arkham Asylum, or Transformers: War for Cybertron, then I gladly pay full price.
So it's perfectly legal and with that I have no problem, of course if it's a game I have been looking forward like for example, Batman: Arkham Asylum, or Transformers: War for Cybertron, then I gladly pay full price.
I prefer to buy new games, simply because I know the disc is less likely to be scratched, I get any bonuses that may come with it (soundtracks, like in Silent Hill 3, or hell, even the instruction manuals; for games without tutorials, such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Chaos Bleeds, it would've been nice to have the manual), and it puts money into the developer's hand as well, no matter how small an amount.
That being said, I have nothing against used games. They're cheaper, and if it's a large discount, I'd rather get the used than the new. It also is a necessity to get used games sometimes, for older games (I've very rarely seen a new copy of, say, Devil May Cry).
That being said, I have nothing against used games. They're cheaper, and if it's a large discount, I'd rather get the used than the new. It also is a necessity to get used games sometimes, for older games (I've very rarely seen a new copy of, say, Devil May Cry).
I only go for them if the disk condition is good. The game shops near me let me check the condition before purchase, so my problems are sorted usually.
I buy used for consoles, great value and nothing lost from having it second hand.
Not too far in the distant past I got DMC3:SE, DMC1, Red Faction and Star Wars Battlefront for a tenner. All in great condition aswell.
Not too far in the distant past I got DMC3:SE, DMC1, Red Faction and Star Wars Battlefront for a tenner. All in great condition aswell.
I'll buy used unless the price is less than $10 of the new price ($5 for greatest hits 19.99 games) and it doesn't bother me a bit. They're used because someone already bought them and 99% of the time I wouldn't bother buying them new, so the companies don't lose a sell.
Even if they did, I really wouldn't care since my way of thinking which is the company owes the customer a quality product is in direct opposition to the company thinking of that the customer deserves what we decide they need.
I know, I know, "If they don't make sales then they won't make anymore games." Besides the fact that about half of the developers out there SHOULDN'T make anymore games, used game sales mean that the game that is being sold did sell; the companies can't make an argument using a hypothetical saying that a used sale cost them a new sale.
Besides, how much stuff that is released is just pure and simple garbage? Then they expect us to pay full price for it because we "owe them" somehow. I hear it all the time with people talking about Politicians, Actors, Musicians, Athletes and pretty much everyone in any form of entertainment field that "we pay their salaries, so they should (do what we want, sign autographs, take pictures, etc...)"
Why don't we hear the same when it comes to gaming? We are the ones who pays for the games, we pay for their expendetures while making them, we pay for their paid vacations, we pay so they can have the latest tech; we pay for it all everytime we buy a new game. If that game isn't something we care for or is just a plain bad game, we don't buy it or buy it used. Business isn't a no risk scenario, so maybe if they would learn to give us games that make us want to keep them, the used game business would die out on it's own.
Hell, the EPA must love the used games industry because if not the worlds landfills would be overrun by Madden copies gaining sentience every year from discarded systems from the previous generations.
Even if they did, I really wouldn't care since my way of thinking which is the company owes the customer a quality product is in direct opposition to the company thinking of that the customer deserves what we decide they need.
I know, I know, "If they don't make sales then they won't make anymore games." Besides the fact that about half of the developers out there SHOULDN'T make anymore games, used game sales mean that the game that is being sold did sell; the companies can't make an argument using a hypothetical saying that a used sale cost them a new sale.
Besides, how much stuff that is released is just pure and simple garbage? Then they expect us to pay full price for it because we "owe them" somehow. I hear it all the time with people talking about Politicians, Actors, Musicians, Athletes and pretty much everyone in any form of entertainment field that "we pay their salaries, so they should (do what we want, sign autographs, take pictures, etc...)"
Why don't we hear the same when it comes to gaming? We are the ones who pays for the games, we pay for their expendetures while making them, we pay for their paid vacations, we pay so they can have the latest tech; we pay for it all everytime we buy a new game. If that game isn't something we care for or is just a plain bad game, we don't buy it or buy it used. Business isn't a no risk scenario, so maybe if they would learn to give us games that make us want to keep them, the used game business would die out on it's own.
Hell, the EPA must love the used games industry because if not the worlds landfills would be overrun by Madden copies gaining sentience every year from discarded systems from the previous generations.
Banning Trade in's would take a sweet cherry out of the goverment's mouth. Single municipalities might make the choice to do so but a nation wide ban would take a huge bite out of government taxes.Embz said:
You might say "well people will buy all games at full price so more money?". Well we both know that's a silly idea and the government knows this to. It would only shrink the amount of purchases overall. They don't want that.
Not only that but it means a shrink in yearly money from business licenses that allow for the trading market.
They can complain, but a federal government would never willfully let that money slip out of there fingers.