Your thought on... Pansexuality

[PainInTheAssInternet]

I know I am going to regret asking this. What other genders are there beyond male and female? From my experience, what I see is people just making stuff up just to make themselves feel special and unique. For the sake of civility, I'll refrain from saying the term that people uses to describe such people.

Protip: Outright stating that you will not explicitly use the term doesn't make it more civil when you use the definition of it.

I can already tell that this is not going to be a productive conversation, so I'll just post Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender] and bow out.

 

[Saelune]

I know I am going to regret asking this. What other genders are there beyond male and female? From my experience, what I see is people just making stuff up just to make themselves feel special and unique. For the sake of civility, I'll refrain from saying the term that people uses to describe such people.

Well, I consider myself gender-fluid. Not out of any special snowflake BS, hell, I wish I wasnt as special as I am. I just look at men, and know we are different, but when I look at women, I dont feel like them either. I would not really consider myself some alternate gender, I just do not fit into either molds expected of people.

I like pansexual people because I dont feel like I need to specifically be male or female for them. If I was with a gay man, even if they liked my feminine aspects, I would feel like they may expect me to be male. And I do not intend to go to the lengths required to be palatable to an arguably straight man.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

I... don't really care, myself. My philosophy is "ere it harm none, do as thou wilt". I'm just not one of those people who gets all out-of-sorts when someone else isn't living up to my arbitrary definition of "normal".

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I know I am going to regret asking this. What other genders are there beyond male and female? From my experience, what I see is people just making stuff up just to make themselves feel special and unique. For the sake of civility, I'll refrain from saying the term that people uses to describe such people.

Okay, its complicated and I still don't understand all the little nuances of the topic but I'll give it a shot.
First there is a difference between Gender, and Sex.
Sex is biological, and not really subject for debate or change, as its written into the DNA, which no one can change. Male and Female. Penis and Vagina, respectively. And there are some middle-grounders, people born with both sets of genitals, hermaphrodites, and people born without any really fully developed sexual organ, one way or the other. These are known mutations that do occur, in utero(meaning you can't just decide to be hermaphroditic one day) and they are clearly defined and scientifically understood.

Gender is more fluid. Masculine, Feminine, and a few others. And that's how you're raised, your culture, and your own personal identification. A masculine man, a feminine hermaphrodite, a non-binary puppy, the list goes on. I think they're up to like 30 on Facebook now.

Its also important to not none of this has to do with sexuality. That's a whole other descriptive term. Straight, Gay, lesbian(which I have been told at length is different than gay) bisexual and now pansexual.
Pansexuality, in this case, would mean someone is attracted to all sex and gender combinations. A masculine man, a feminine hermaphrodite, a non-binary puppy, a not sex defined feminine person. They basically want to fuck something, and everyone is on the menu.

Now the real question is what's the difference between Pansexuality, and simple hyper-sexuality where you're just horny and anything goes.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Now the real question is what's the difference between Pansexuality, and simple hyper-sexuality where you're just horny and anything goes.

Same as the difference between being, for example, a gay man and someone who'd have sex with any man. There's overlap, but the two are not the same.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Now the real question is what's the difference between Pansexuality, and simple hyper-sexuality where you're just horny and anything goes.

Same as the difference between being, for example, a gay man and someone who'd have sex with any man. There's overlap, but the two are not the same.

So is the difference intent or simply scale? Hyper-Sexuals want to sleep with everyone, Pansexuals could sleep with anyone?

 

[LetalisK]

I view pansexual as a subset of bisexual that ideally should be wholly unnecessary but in a society that likes to confuse sex and gender might be useful sometimes.

 

[Baffle]

If I catch you with your dick in my wok I'll be well annoyed. It is non-stick though.

 

[Silvanus]

Sex is biological, and not really subject for debate or change, as its written into the DNA, which no one can change. Male and Female. Penis and Vagina, respectively.

Well, that depends on whether you define biological sex by chromosomes, or by body morphology. The latter can most definitely be changed.

Once the latter has changed, it seems both empty and a little churlish to insist the former is still definitive. It's not practical for the layman, and nor is it recognised as overridingly definitive by the scientific community, either.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Sex is biological, and not really subject for debate or change, as its written into the DNA, which no one can change. Male and Female. Penis and Vagina, respectively.

Well, that depends on whether you define biological sex by chromosomes, or by body morphology. The latter can most definitely be changed.

Once the latter has changed, it seems both empty and a little churlish to insist the former is still definitive. It's not practical for the layman, and nor is it recognized as overridingly definitive by the scientific community, either.

Well, no, not really. Body shape has nothing to do with sex, meaning biologically assigned. Someone who has had sexually reassignment surgery hasn't changed their sex, meaning both chromosomes, and their sexual reproductive ability. A womb hasn't been implanted, or testicles haven't started producing sperm.
And there's nothing churlish in that either. Can they produce sperm? Eggs? Can they give birth? Do they even have the necessary biological structure to do that, regardless of functionality? And those are black/white yes/no questions, not open to debate and personal identification.
That's not rude, those are legitimate question to ask someone who says they have changed their biologically assigned sex.

 

[JoJo]

I view pansexual as a subset of bisexual that ideally should be wholly unnecessary but in a society that likes to confuse sex and gender might be useful sometimes.

This is pretty much how I see it. I would typically describe myself as bisexual for simplicity, but I have no problem with androgyny or mixing and matching parts, so I suppose I could also describe myself as being pansexual. For ninty nine out of a hundred situations, they mean the same thing.

 

[Kae]

I think it's cool, it's just a way of saying not only am I bisexual I'm also open to relationships with anything in between, it's just a way of clearing up what kinds of relationships you are willing to have, which really is the point of all this categorization.

Sure it won't come up often because people in-between genders are few and far between but it's cool to have that clarification in case it ever comes up.

 

[The Lunatic]

I don't much care.

It can seem a little like "Bisexuality: The snowflake edition" in some people's cases, and if people want to do that, whatever, it's not my problem. But, generally it's just a "I'm okay with guys, and girls, and whatever inbetween" or something like that.

Ultimately, it's because of the weird relationship we have between sexuality and gender, despite them being separate things.

 

[Lieju]

I view pansexual as a subset of bisexual that ideally should be wholly unnecessary but in a society that likes to confuse sex and gender might be useful sometimes.

This is pretty much how I see it. I would typically describe myself as bisexual for simplicity, but I have no problem with androgyny or mixing and matching parts, so I suppose I could also describe myself as being pansexual. For ninty nine out of a hundred situations, they mean the same thing.

Yeah pretty much. Most people I know who id as pan more or less id as bi too and use whatever label is better understood in context. And lot of bi people define their orientation anyway as 'I don't care about people's gender' so...

It's pretty much the same thing, more a matter of which word you prefer.
Which pun possibilities you prefer, pan puns or bi puns.

 

[Parasondox]

Let's get personal here. I use to consider myself straight and fought feelings but in the past few years... decades, I've grown attraction to guys too. Heck, I have dated and been with guys before. Para in denial. Well, he was. So I accepted myself as bi but then when I discovered the pansexual definitions, a thought came into my head think, "am i that?" But really I am just one who doesn't care about a person's gender or sex and would just find attraction with anyone really. I just didn't want to label it.

 

[Lieju]

Let's get personal here. I use to consider myself straight and fought feelings but in the past few years... decades, I've grown attraction to guys too. Heck, I have dated and been with guys before. Para in denial. Well, he was. So I accepted myself as bi but then when I discovered the pansexual definitions, a thought came into my head think, "am i that?" But really I am just one who doesn't care about a person's gender or sex and would just find attraction with anyone really. I just didn't want to label it.

That's a perfectly valid approach too. Your call really. Labelling yourself is a lot about what you want to communicate to people or want to find partners/community with similar experiences.

Labels can be important to some people, and I respect that. Some people don't care much and I respect that too.

 

[Saltyk]

I don't care what you do or who you do it with. As long as you're not hurting anyone.

Let's get personal here. I use to consider myself straight and fought feelings but in the past few years... decades, I've grown attraction to guys too. Heck, I have dated and been with guys before. Para in denial. Well, he was. So I accepted myself as bi but then when I discovered the pansexual definitions, a thought came into my head think, "am i that?" But really I am just one who doesn't care about a person's gender or sex and would just find attraction with anyone really. I just didn't want to label it.

Well, here's the question. Would you be willing to date a transsexual? If so, then you would probably be pansexual. If not, you're probably just bisexual.

 

[LetalisK]

I don't care what you do or who you do it with. As long as you're not hurting anyone.

Let's get personal here. I use to consider myself straight and fought feelings but in the past few years... decades, I've grown attraction to guys too. Heck, I have dated and been with guys before. Para in denial. Well, he was. So I accepted myself as bi but then when I discovered the pansexual definitions, a thought came into my head think, "am i that?" But really I am just one who doesn't care about a person's gender or sex and would just find attraction with anyone really. I just didn't want to label it.

Well, here's the question. Would you be willing to date a transsexual? If so, then you would probably be pansexual. If not, you're probably just bisexual.

That seems an irrelevant distinction to me. But I also find the distinction between born and trans irrelevant as well.

 

[Saltyk]

I don't care what you do or who you do it with. As long as you're not hurting anyone.

Let's get personal here. I use to consider myself straight and fought feelings but in the past few years... decades, I've grown attraction to guys too. Heck, I have dated and been with guys before. Para in denial. Well, he was. So I accepted myself as bi but then when I discovered the pansexual definitions, a thought came into my head think, "am i that?" But really I am just one who doesn't care about a person's gender or sex and would just find attraction with anyone really. I just didn't want to label it.

Well, here's the question. Would you be willing to date a transsexual? If so, then you would probably be pansexual. If not, you're probably just bisexual.

That seems an irrelevant distinction to me. But I also find the distinction between born and trans irrelevant as well.

Well, yeah, if you think being trans or not irrelevant, that would make sense. I do not see the distinction to be irrelevant. I would not date a transsexual person (nor would I date a man) even if they were a trans woman.

I have bisexual friends, but I can't really say how they would feel about the issue. Oddly, they each have preferences (one prefers men and the other women) but the question of them dating a transsexual person or not has never come up. Probably because such individuals make up a fraction of a percentage of the population and the fact that no one in my group of friends asks such intrusive questions.

 

[Parasondox]

I don't care what you do or who you do it with. As long as you're not hurting anyone.

Let's get personal here. I use to consider myself straight and fought feelings but in the past few years... decades, I've grown attraction to guys too. Heck, I have dated and been with guys before. Para in denial. Well, he was. So I accepted myself as bi but then when I discovered the pansexual definitions, a thought came into my head think, "am i that?" But really I am just one who doesn't care about a person's gender or sex and would just find attraction with anyone really. I just didn't want to label it.

Well, here's the question. Would you be willing to date a transsexual? If so, then you would probably be pansexual. If not, you're probably just bisexual.

Yeah I would. It doesnt bother me at all as i said and looking for the attraction on the inside mostly. If i met someone and liked them and later told me they were transgendered, it wouldnt bother me one bit.