Your thoughts on Halo 4?

[MPerce]

Just finished the campaign yesterday on legendary, took about 7 hours. Overall a very fun campaign. Story was a bit of a bust for me, since it never thoroughly explained why the Covenant had broken the truce (something something rogue faction was all I got), and major plot devices with important sounding names are given very vague importance (what the hell is the Composer and why should I protect it?). But the exchanges between Cortana and Master Chief were well done and quite touching, making Master Chief seem like an actual character for once.

Covenant baddies are as fun to fight as always. The Constructs, on the other hand, are the most boring and annoying enemies the Halo franchise has ever had. There's barely any variety to them, and the only way to go about beating them is to dump a ton of ammo into them and hope they don't teleport away from you. And they have a SHIT LOAD of health (at least in legendary mode) that recovers if you stop shooting at them for 3 seconds. Couple that with frequently carried insta-kill weapons and the shitty Construct weapons that you inevitably have to use and these levels are just a chore to get through.

Oh, and multiplayer's pretty fun. The pace of the game is way faster than it's ever been thanks to everyone having sprint, and I'm really not a fan of having to unlock weapons and freakin emblems. But it's Halo. Get some friends together and you'll have a grand old time.

 

[recruit00]

Something really bugs me about this game. I never feel safe in multiplayer. With the proliferation of snipers, rockets, lasers, and incineration cannons because of ordinance drops, as well as the nutty power level of the DMR/Lightrifle at long range, you are never "out of range". Battles tend to be over much faster at long range. This wasn't the case in the older Halo games. Even in Halo 2 with the hit-scan BR, you didn't die quickly at long range. In this game I have died in under 1 second from literally the other side of the map, multiple times in a single game. oh, you're getting Team DMR'd? You're dead. There is no "get to cover". Nope. You're dead instantly.

This is only really a problem in Big Team Battle, where long range battles are the norm rather than the exception. It still ruins that game mode for me though.

That is actually one thing I am curious about. Will there still only be one sniper or one rocket per level in a regular match or will the drops bring multiples?

 

[PromethianSpark]

I don't even know who am talking to any more, so no quotes, but the whole sexist point is completely eluding you guys. I've realised that if you don't already know what am talking about their is little chance of me convincing you. Mostly because I am not going to dig up 20 years of femminist readings of the depiction of women to prove my point. Suffice to say, this kind of thing has been noted before, and it is a cliched troupe that depicts women as being overly emotional and irrational. It doesn't matter a dam that Cortana is modelled on a real women, as if that makes it any better. At its core, it sets this base line: women are emotionally unstable and irrational, men are stable and rational. To those that seem to think I am in denial over the hormonal challenges that face women.....wow...just wow, lol. Thats like saying, 'but women are emotional and crazy and shit, because you know, they get periods and stuff!!! DUR!

 

[Korten12]

First of all, it was easy for bungie to move on whilst in microsoft, and they would of received better funding for all their projects. They had to have left for other reasons tha wanting to move on from halo, seeing they could do that if they wanted to. Furthermore, 343 industries didn't just pop out of the blue to take over from bungie, they where set up by microsoft to oversee their biggest selling franchise and makes sure they milk more money out an IP that bungie was rapidly losing control of. 343 industries had there nose in halo 3, and I'd imagine where the responsible party for halo reach.

When did I ever state 343i appeared out of the blue? I know they were created by Microsoft to oversee Halo now that Bungie has left to work on other projects. Also Microsoft has owned Halo's IP since they bought it's exclusivity during Halo CE, when it was originally going to come out for the Mac. Bungie has never had control over it since then, hence why Halo 2 was rushed because Microsoft needed it out. But it was also never Bungie's intent to work on Halo for the rest of the companies career. They knew they wanted to move on. Something you clearly don't seem to understand that and think they did want to continue work on it.

Your point about a none cliched forerunner race is valid. Except it didn't have to be cliched because, they could of easily avoided directly engaging with the forerunners, as they did for, I dunno, 5 games. The 343 forerunners make no sense at all. I mean I have some series fucking questions about them, and am not talking about things that are still mysterious, am talking series fucking plot holes! I mean I would like to see an actual time scale of these shattered events, between the human-flood war, human-forerunner war, human regression, forerunner-flood war, the construction of the halos, the composer, human/promethians, the librian and didacts complicated and antagonistic relationship which goes sour, but then they communicate like lovers before the ring fires, and really, when did she index humanity it keeps fucking changing! Furthermore, how did the librarian's love for humanity translate into reclaimer status, with every monitor being in the know and onboard with this. Forerunner's society seems to be a political mess, with no consensus on anything, and yet they managed to pull off this plan where humanity reclaims its all and takes up the mantle, because one forerunner was fond of them. Plz.

first of all, it's Prometheans, not Promethians. Learn to spell and don't use words like Plz unless you doing something like texting.

Also there is two Didacts, it was most likely the Bornstellar-Didact who was communicating like that. It's the Ur-Didact who is the one who created the Prometheans by using his own Prometheans (the organic ones) and using Humans. It was he who was sealed away by her, not Bornstellar.

Also nothing keeps changing, no idea what you're even talking about. She indexed Humanity around the same time they began to index all of the species. The Librarian has lots of control, it was she who made sure Humanity would be reclaimers as their civilization began to fall to the Flood.

For a time scale?

Go here: http://www.halopedia.org/150,000_BCE

It's all perfectly indexed right there.

As for what I said about the elites sequel, I didn't say that bungie stated this as a plan. All I meant was it was the logical conclusion at the end of halo 4, and would of please me and I dare say some others as well

No it wasn't. You can't say it's a logical conclusion when it's not. Halo 4 is the logical conclusion because Master Chief was still shown at the end of 3 drifting towards Requiem. That's a pretty big cliff hanger not something you leave behind since it wasn't a open ending, it was pretty definitive that something was happening.

 

[Erttheking]

I don't even know who am talking to any more, so no quotes, but the whole sexist point is completely eluding you guys. I've realised that if you don't already know what am talking about their is little chance of me convincing you. Mostly because I am not going to dig up 20 years of femminist readings of the depiction of women to prove my point. Suffice to say, this kind of thing has been noted before, and it is a cliched troupe that depicts women as being overly emotional and irrational. It doesn't matter a dam that Cortana is modelled on a real women, as if that makes it any better. At its core, it sets this base line: women are emotionally unstable and irrational, men are stable and rational. To those that seem to think I am in denial over the hormonal challenges that face women.....wow...just wow, lol. Thats like saying, 'but women are emotional and crazy and shit, because you know, they get periods and stuff!!! DUR!

Yes Cortana is emotional in Halo 4, but it's not sexist. If it was sexist it would just be because she's a woman, but it's not because of that, it's because she's, you know, going insane. Halo 4 doesn't think that women are sexist, considering that Sarah Palmer is a Commander, the leader of the SPARTAN IVs, and is calm, snarky and in control. Also Captain Del Rio (Who is MALE) only takes five minutes to completely lose his shit and start yelling at Chief "GIVE THAT A.I. TO ME NOW! SOMEONE ARREST THAT MAN!" Yeah...Halo 4 isn't sexist. This feels like a kneejerk reaction that a story is sexist if a female character has any flaws whatsoever.

 

[PromethianSpark]

I don't even know who am talking to any more, so no quotes, but the whole sexist point is completely eluding you guys. I've realised that if you don't already know what am talking about their is little chance of me convincing you. Mostly because I am not going to dig up 20 years of femminist readings of the depiction of women to prove my point. Suffice to say, this kind of thing has been noted before, and it is a cliched troupe that depicts women as being overly emotional and irrational. It doesn't matter a dam that Cortana is modelled on a real women, as if that makes it any better. At its core, it sets this base line: women are emotionally unstable and irrational, men are stable and rational. To those that seem to think I am in denial over the hormonal challenges that face women.....wow...just wow, lol. Thats like saying, 'but women are emotional and crazy and shit, because you know, they get periods and stuff!!! DUR!

Yes Cortana is emotional in Halo 4, but it's not sexist. If it was sexist it would just be because she's a woman, but it's not because of that, it's because she's, you know, going insane. Halo 4 doesn't think that women are sexist, considering that Sarah Palmer is a Commander, the leader of the SPARTAN IVs, and is calm, snarky and in control. Also Captain Del Rio (Who is MALE) only takes five minutes to completely lose his shit and start yelling at Chief "GIVE THAT A.I. TO ME NOW! SOMEONE ARREST THAT MAN!" Yeah...Halo 4 isn't sexist.

The commander point is the best counter-argument to my key point yet. Taking that into account we could say everybody is just hyper-charged in halo 4. Really bad dialogue though. However, I still contend that Cortana going insane, was conveyed more like insanity in the parts of halo 3 that everyone consistently denies happening. I played it through last night for memories for god sake!

 

[Korten12]

I don't even know who am talking to any more, so no quotes, but the whole sexist point is completely eluding you guys. I've realised that if you don't already know what am talking about their is little chance of me convincing you. Mostly because I am not going to dig up 20 years of femminist readings of the depiction of women to prove my point. Suffice to say, this kind of thing has been noted before, and it is a cliched troupe that depicts women as being overly emotional and irrational. It doesn't matter a dam that Cortana is modelled on a real women, as if that makes it any better. At its core, it sets this base line: women are emotionally unstable and irrational, men are stable and rational. To those that seem to think I am in denial over the hormonal challenges that face women.....wow...just wow, lol. Thats like saying, 'but women are emotional and crazy and shit, because you know, they get periods and stuff!!! DUR!

Yes Cortana is emotional in Halo 4, but it's not sexist. If it was sexist it would just be because she's a woman, but it's not because of that, it's because she's, you know, going insane. Halo 4 doesn't think that women are sexist, considering that Sarah Palmer is a Commander, the leader of the SPARTAN IVs, and is calm, snarky and in control. Also Captain Del Rio (Who is MALE) only takes five minutes to completely lose his shit and start yelling at Chief "GIVE THAT A.I. TO ME NOW! SOMEONE ARREST THAT MAN!" Yeah...Halo 4 isn't sexist.

I think it would be best to not argue further, I think his mindset is already completely set in stone.

 

[Erttheking]

I don't even know who am talking to any more, so no quotes, but the whole sexist point is completely eluding you guys. I've realised that if you don't already know what am talking about their is little chance of me convincing you. Mostly because I am not going to dig up 20 years of femminist readings of the depiction of women to prove my point. Suffice to say, this kind of thing has been noted before, and it is a cliched troupe that depicts women as being overly emotional and irrational. It doesn't matter a dam that Cortana is modelled on a real women, as if that makes it any better. At its core, it sets this base line: women are emotionally unstable and irrational, men are stable and rational. To those that seem to think I am in denial over the hormonal challenges that face women.....wow...just wow, lol. Thats like saying, 'but women are emotional and crazy and shit, because you know, they get periods and stuff!!! DUR!

Yes Cortana is emotional in Halo 4, but it's not sexist. If it was sexist it would just be because she's a woman, but it's not because of that, it's because she's, you know, going insane. Halo 4 doesn't think that women are sexist, considering that Sarah Palmer is a Commander, the leader of the SPARTAN IVs, and is calm, snarky and in control. Also Captain Del Rio (Who is MALE) only takes five minutes to completely lose his shit and start yelling at Chief "GIVE THAT A.I. TO ME NOW! SOMEONE ARREST THAT MAN!" Yeah...Halo 4 isn't sexist.

The commander point is the best counter-argument to my key point yet. Taking that into account we could say everybody is just hyper-charged in halo 4. Really bad dialogue though. However, I still contend that Cortana going insane, was conveyed more like insanity in the parts of halo 3 that everyone consistently denies happening. I played it through last night for memories for god sake!

Eh, not everyone, just a couple of characters, the majority of them (male and female) manage to keep themselves together. I guess Halo 3 didn't really feel like she was going insane, because the second she's back with Chief, she talks completely normally and for the rest of the game, we never get any indication that the trauma she went through was permanent in anyway. Also I kinda liked how Cortana's rampancy was portrayed in Halo 4, especially how her condition was steady getting worse from mission to mission.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

I was shocked at the Warthog sound to, same with the Ghost and Banshee, those were defining sounds of the game pretty much, hopefully in 5 this will be corrected, or at least in a patch, GIVE US THOSE SOUNDS BACK 343!

Yeah that something I also forgot to mention. Some of the sounds are messed up. The Warthog is one of the worst. At top speed, it doesn't sound like a army jeep, it sounds like some kind of race care, or like a hopped up street racer.

I also hate the new sound for the Fuel Rod gun. After you shoot it, a second later you get this weird sound that sounds like somebody hitting a baseball with a bat.

 

[Slycne]

Why should a sniper rifle be anti-vehicle? Makes no sense.

It makes a lot of sense actually. The primary focus of the Barret M82 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82](the basis for Halo's sniper rifle) is as an anti-material rifle not a marksmen weapon. They are by design used for taking out lightly armored vehicles.

However, the game balance answer is that this isn't like say Battlefield where you can simply spawn in with an anti-tank rocket. If tanks were immune to smalls arms fire, they would dominate the game too much.

 

[Lrbearclaw]

and the Covanent aren't really explained as to why and how they are there, what happened to the truce?! (unless it was explained and i was drooling somewhere)

The truce was with the Elites. The rest of the Covenant still saw humans as abominations (due to the Prophets and their crap and Tarturus's starting the war on Harvest... hmmm I guess we know what happens to Harvest after Mass Effect 3. ~taps chin~

 

[PromethianSpark]

When did I ever state 343i appeared out of the blue? I know they were created by Microsoft to oversee Halo now that Bungie has left to work on other projects. Also Microsoft has owned Halo's IP since they bought it's exclusivity during Halo CE, when it was originally going to come out for the Mac. Bungie has never had control over it since then, hence why Halo 2 was rushed because Microsoft needed it out. But it was also never Bungie's intent to work on Halo for the rest of the companies career. They knew they wanted to move on. Something you clearly don't seem to understand that and think they did want to continue work on it.

Point your missing is that bungie didn't have to leave microsoft in order to make non-halo games, and would of enjoyed great funding if they didn't. And yes, I know microsoft acquired the halo IP early on, and that is why 343 industries where there to oversee their IP. Hence why bungie really left, because they want to have creative control of future projects. This may be speculation, but reasonable none the less, as this kind of thing happens on a frequent basis in the entertainment industry for these precise reasons.

first of all, it's Prometheans, not Promethians. Learn to spell and don't use words like Plz unless you doing something like texting.

Grammer and spelling Nazis what has the internet come to! This is the most pedantic and pathetic ad hominem argument that is employed as a desperate point scoring ploy on the internet. Not just is a cheap way to appear like your winning without addressing the argument, it also discriminates against dyslexic people.

Also there is two Didacts, it was most likely the Bornstellar-Didact who was communicating like that. It's the Ur-Didact who is the one who created the Prometheans by using his own Prometheans (the organic ones) and using Humans. It was he who was sealed away by her, not Bornstellar.

I am aware that their are 2 Didacts, but if where suppose to believe that they had a normal relationship following the "PROMETHEAN'-composer thing (emphasis for your benefit, I know how you get touchy about such little things), then they must think the audience is stupid.

Also nothing keeps changing, no idea what you're even talking about. She indexed Humanity around the same time they began to index all of the species. The Librarian has lots of control, it was she who made sure Humanity would be reclaimers as their civilization began to fall to the Flood.

The halo 3 terminals where vague on this, but acceptable, given that there was no other events to clash with. They where indexed shortly before the firing. But between the forerunner trilogy and and the halo 4 terminals, I really don't get this time scale at all. Was it just before the rings, no, she couldn't have time to instigate her plan. No time at all to get the halo project (that is the monitors) and other forerunner instalations to view humanity as special. Something I am not clear on anyways. You can say she was important, but forerunner society seemed to fractured for her to hold that sway. Builder making the halo's, prometheans fighting the flood, and lifeworkers doing whatever shit they did excluding indexing species, and one lifeworker managed to convince the builders to build the halos to her specification. To elevate humanity to some special status, even when many thought they where a violent species. And wasn't she out indexing the galaxy, and not to mention trapped on earth, when alot of this shit needed sorted, argh my heads going to explode with this convoluted shit!

 

[Korten12]

and the Covanent aren't really explained as to why and how they are there, what happened to the truce?! (unless it was explained and i was drooling somewhere)

The truce was with the Elites. The rest of the Covenant still saw humans as abominations (due to the Prophets and their crap and Tarturus's starting the war on Harvest... hmmm I guess we know what happens to Harvest after Mass Effect 3. ~taps chin~

This is incorrect, well correct for the Human-Covenant War but not with Halo 4.

In Halo 4 this covenant is known as the Storm ruled by Jul 'Mdama who because Humanity did something bad to him (read: Thursday War) he now leads a sect of the Elites that believes in the Didact and wishes to find him to help them destroy the humans.

 

[PromethianSpark]

I think it would be best to not argue further, I think his mindset is already completely set in stone.

Funny, I think I have made numerous compromises, for example my response to whom you are quoting, and yet haven't received any myself. Perhaps having people agree with you makes you feel that you have no need to concede a point here or there, because if more people agree with it, it must be right!

 

[Lrbearclaw]

The truce was with the Elites. The rest of the Covenant still saw humans as abominations (due to the Prophets and their crap and Tarturus's starting the war on Harvest... hmmm I guess we know what happens to Harvest after Mass Effect 3. ~taps chin~

This is incorrect, well correct for the Human-Covenant War but not with Halo 4.

In Halo 4 this covenant is known as the Storm ruled by Jul 'Mdama who because Humanity did something bad to him (read: Thursday War) he now leads a sect of the Elites that believes in the Didact and wishes to find him to help them destroy the humans.

Ahhh this I did not know as I have not played H4 yet nor read Thursday War. (Have to get the 3 newest books have through Cole and the first Forerunner book.) That explains it.

 

[PromethianSpark]

Also there is two Didacts, it was most likely the Bornstellar-Didact who was communicating like that. It's the Ur-Didact who is the one who created the Prometheans by using his own Prometheans (the organic ones) and using Humans. It was he who was sealed away by her, not Bornstellar.

And speaking of cliched gods. This a classic 2 titans, one benevolent and the other malevolent, all of creation caught in between bullshit that we have seen a hundred times.

One is war and one is life too, lol. No surprises one is male and the other female. No-prize for guessing which is which

 

[Korten12]

Point your missing is that bungie didn't have to leave microsoft in order to make non-halo games, and would of enjoyed great funding if they didn't. And yes, I know microsoft acquired the halo IP early on, and that is why 343 industries where there to oversee their IP. Hence why bungie really left, because they want to have creative control of future projects. This may be speculation, but reasonable none the less, as this kind of thing happens on a frequent basis in the entertainment industry for these precise reasons.

Okay? That's normal, they want full control of their next IP. I literally have no idea why you keep harping on this. They left to make their own games and control it. This has no effect on Halo. You keep trying to make it seem like this is a huge deal when it's not. THEY LEFT TO WORK ON THEIR OWN IP. END OF. That's it. There isn't any sort of Conspiracy you seem to trying to make happen.

Grammer and spelling Nazis what has the internet come to! This is the most pedantic and pathetic ad hominem argument that is employed as a desperate point scoring ploy on the internet. Not just is a cheap way to appear like your winning without addressing the argument, it also discriminates against dyslexic people.

Wow..? You just love to assume don't you? You take one part of a sentance and go ape shit over it. When you argue and don't have anything like dyslexic, then you should at least spell normal. I do honestly think you do have some problem though since you seem to have a huge problem of assumption. If anyone disagrees with you? They're a deluded fanboy. They criticise you? They apparently discriminate against dyslexic people.

I am aware that their are 2 Didacts, but if where suppose to believe that they had a normal relationship following the "PROMETHEAN'-composer thing (emphasis for your benefit, I know how you get touchy about such little things), then they must think the audience is stupid.

Consdiering that the Bornstellar-Didact had nothing to do with the Prometheans and essentially became the Didact before the incident, then yeah it's easy to see that. Plus the whole thing with the terminals is to be addressed in Silentium. So how about we get all of the information before you assume there is plot holes.

The halo 3 terminals where vague on this, but acceptable, given that there was no other events to clash with. They where indexed shortly before the firing. But between the forerunner trilogy and and the halo 4 terminals, I really don't get this time scale at all. Was it just before the rings, no, she couldn't have time to instigate her plan. No time at all to get the halo project (that is the monitors) and other forerunner instalations to view humanity as special. Something I am not clear on anyways. You can say she was important, but forerunner society seemed to fractured for her to hold that sway. Builder making the halo's, prometheans fighting the flood, and lifeworkers doing whatever shit they did excluding indexing species, and one lifeworker managed to convince the builders to build the halos to her specification. To elevate humanity to some special status, even when many thought they where a violent species. And wasn't she out indexing the galaxy, and not to mention trapped on earth, when alot of this shit needed sorted, argh my heads going to explode with this convoluted shit!

It's not convoluted, your making it out to be harder to understand then it really is. Currently we don't know everything, Silentium comes out next year which explains what happened to the Ur-Didact, it was held off because it would spoil Halo 4 if it came out before it.

I linked you Halopedia, everything is there. If you refuse to look at it, then there is nothing we can do.

 

[PromethianSpark]

Okay? That's normal, they want full control of their next IP. I literally have no idea why you keep harping on this. They left to make their own games and control it. This has no effect on Halo. You keep trying to make it seem like this is a huge deal when it's not. THEY LEFT TO WORK ON THEIR OWN IP. END OF. That's it. There isn't any sort of Conspiracy you seem to trying to make happen.

Sigh, this is getting tiresome. You concede to my points and then claim that they where yours, and then distort what I said. I don't know if this is intentional, or if you have forgotten my actual point about this. The point is that 343 was messing with the story (and game play) long before halo 4. Some people like you don't mind this, I on the other hand prefer the vision that bungie had in mind as is clear to see in halo 1 and 2. No conspiracy at all. Bungie left because they didn't want their vision tampered with again, this we seem to finally agree on.

Wow..? You just love to assume don't you? You take one part of a sentance and go ape shit over it. When you argue and don't have anything like dyslexic, then you should at least spell normal. I do honestly think you do have some problem though since you seem to have a huge problem of assumption. If anyone disagrees with you? They're a deluded fanboy. They criticise you? They apparently discriminate against dyslexic people.

No assumption required, you unashamedly attacked someone on the grounds of their spelling, thinking its natural as it is done frequently. You are the one making assumptions as you seem fairly confident that I am not dyslexic, when in actual fact I am. Your confidence over this may have something to do with other assumptions. That is your preconceptions of a dyslexic individual. I assure you they are not retards, and are usually very intelligent. Quite capable of using a computer and engaging in an online debate, thank you.

Consdiering that the Bornstellar-Didact had nothing to do with the Prometheans and essentially became the Didact before the incident, then yeah it's easy to see that. Plus the whole thing with the terminals is to be addressed in Silentium. So how about we get all of the information before you assume there is plot holes.

I imagine that if you where cloned, and not long afterwards that clone commits genocide, your girlfriend might just look at you differently. Just a thought.

It's not convoluted, your making it out to be harder to understand then it really is. Currently we don't know everything, Silentium comes out next year which explains what happened to the Ur-Didact, it was held off because it would spoil Halo 4 if it came out before it.

I suppose this is subjective, given that some people don't think that inception was convoluted, when it was actually intended to be so. Of course I am sure that there are explanations and knowledge that we don't have that will fill these holes, but they will be forced, just like this whole story arc. That however, is my opinion.

I linked you Halopedia, everything is there. If you refuse to look at it, then there is nothing we can do.

Please, halo wikis are a complete farce, and unsurprisingly so as they try to make sense of the now completely contradictory halo cannon. Some pages will still tell you that the forerunners are human.

 

[Korten12]

Sigh, this is getting tiresome. You concede to my points and then claim that they where yours, and then distort what I said. I don't know if this is intentional, or if you have forgotten my actual point about this. The point is that 343 was messing with the story (and game play) long before halo 4. Some people like you don't mind this, I on the other hand prefer the vision that bungie had in mind as is clear to see in halo 1 and 2. No conspiracy at all. Bungie left because they didn't want their vision tampered with again, this we seem to finally agree on.

Well since you say they messed with Halo 3 which they did not, it's hard to trust you. They did update Reach which was met with mixed results based on who you talked to. Also no their vision WASN'T BEING TEMPERED WITH. They left because they wanted to work on more then just Halo, end of. They stated that themselves! You're putting words in Bungie's mouth. Unless you worked for them, you have no reason to state what you're. They did state however that they wanted to leave to work on stuff other then Halo, not because Halo was being forced to change.

No assumption required, you unashamedly attacked someone on the grounds of their spelling, thinking its natural as it is done frequently. You are the one making assumptions as you seem fairly confident that I am not dyslexic, when in actual fact I am. Your confidence over this may have something to do with other assumptions. That is your preconceptions of a dyslexic individual. I assure you they are not retards, and are usually very intelligent. Quite capable of using a computer and engaging in an online debate, thank you.

I never stated they're retards. Thanks for making me out to be a dick. Sorry that I assumed you weren't dyslexic, but considering you HAVE played Halo 4, then you should know it's Promethean. End of. You have stated to also have read the books, so you have seen it many times before. You shouldn't misspell anything you're familiar with dyslexic or not. More so since you claim to be very well versed in Halo.

I imagine that if you where cloned, and not long afterwards that clone commits genocide, your girlfriend might just look at you differently. Just a thought.

Considering it wasn't the clone who commited genocide, your analogy fails and since that situation has never happened in real life you can't state that for a fact. Unless you can show me a real situation of that happening, you can't argue against it.

I suppose this is subjective, given that some people don't think that inception was convoluted, when it was actually intended to be so. Of course I am sure that there are explanations and knowledge that we don't have that will fill these holes, but they will be forced, just like this whole story arc. That however, is my opinion.

It was never intended to be convoluted.

Please, halo wikis are a complete farce, and unsurprisingly so as they try to make sense of the now completely contradictory halo cannon. Some pages will still tell you that the forerunners are human.

Your thinking of Halo Nation, Halopedia is very up to date. Hell the Halo Encylopedia even took things off of Halopedia because of how correct it was. Granted some of it wasn't but then became canon but that was a long time ago and it was minor. Onto the point, Halopedia stays up to date with the latest news.

And if you seriously think Halopedia is wrong, then you only give further evidence that you don't wish to try and understate it but will run around stating you're right despite you refusing to look at it.

And with this I am done, no point in arguing with someone who believes that Halo 4 is sexist when it's not, knows Bungie apparently more then Bungie, and that everyone is wrong but him.