Your View of a Utopian Society

[BlumiereBleck]

My view of a Utopian Society......mine is where humanity has a common enemy. For example and alien race or something to that matter. In many people's utopian society humanity loses goals, its potential and possibility. Utopian societies can be a great evil to mankind.

 

[Chase Yojimbo]

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Yet is that not Imperfection? Though I do grieve for the losses of the people of Africa everyday, it is simply impossible for a Utopia to exist so long as a balance of Good and Evil is intact. These CEO's with $1000 hookers, dictators of Africa, so on so forth act as that balance. So long as they exist you will never have your perfect world; and even then it is impossible to create a perfect world afterwards. With so many different individuals living on this planet even between 2 people there are differences, imagine the differences between 7 billion?

I say leave Evolution to Nature and the ways things are intended. In the end of your life all that matters is that you served life as an individual and helped the world as an influence no matter how small you were. No one is insignificant, for even with one persons life complete gone a world can be changed.

Create a Utopia as nature intended, randomly and chaotically; I guess that is the short version.

 

[Thaluikhain]

People need to get over this "remove emotion" crap. Logic is a tool of the emotions which gives no end unto itself... if you remove emotion, there is no motive force to any human action; even the desire to survive is fueled by emotion.

Only if you don't replace it with something else, though. However, the idea is only very tenuously connected to most realities.

 

[Saltyk]

The idea that we could ever have a Utopian society is probably one of the worst concepts people ever came up with. It's not possible, stop wasting your breath on trying to accomplish it. Just try for a just or happy society. Perfect is both impossible and boring.

yeah, utopia isn't really possible. People are just too animal. I have some ideas that I think would get us a pretty good society, but they are too long to write out. It involves a pyramid-like government to limit the potential abuses of government, as well as to ensure that each individual has the maximum possible say in what happens in their life. It's based on a low-regulation capitalism system that regulates by giving incentives to good processes instead of by penalizing bad processes.

I have pages and pages on it, i'm thinking about writing something about it. a paper, or a small book or something.

Isn't that basically what the American government is supposed to be? Not to be rude or to troll you, but ideally the American government has various tiers of government (Federal, State, County, City) with checks and balances (Executive, Legislature, Justice) to prevent any one branch from growing too big or powerful and prevent corruption and abuse. We vote for people who we want to represent us in said government branches and levels. You can pretty much do anything as long as you don't hurt anyone. The reason we get tax breaks and subsidies is to encourage good behavior (like owning a home or growing food for others). And America is nothing if not capitalist. Remember our enemies keep calling us that as an insult or something (I wonder if they have any clue what it actually means).

 

[Saltyk]

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Yet is that not Imperfection? Though I do grieve for the losses of the people of Africa everyday, it is simply impossible for a Utopia to exist so long as a balance of Good and Evil is intact. These CEO's with $1000 hookers, dictators of Africa, so on so forth act as that balance. So long as they exist you will never have your perfect world; and even then it is impossible to create a perfect world afterwards. With so many different individuals living on this planet even between 2 people there are differences, imagine the differences between 7 billion?

I say leave Evolution to Nature and the ways things are intended. In the end of your life all that matters is that you served life as an individual and helped the world as an influence no matter how small you were. No one is insignificant, for even with one persons life complete gone a world can be changed.

Create a Utopia as nature intended, randomly and chaotically; I guess that is the short version.

Did you read the Cracked article about Insane Things that only two people in the world know? One of the insane things is a very rare language that only two living people know. And they won't talk to each other. Basically because they just don't like each other or feel they have anything in common. Somehow your comment about two people having differences made me think of that.

 

[ultrachicken]

I think that ideal communism is basically utopia when combined with immense technological advancement. A society where everyone is benevolent, intelligent, and caring is a perfect one. However, this is obviously extremely unlikely if not downright impossible to achieve without brainwashing, which is dystopian.

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

I'm a little surprised at the mention of dystopian brain washing when that is clearly already happening on some scale. Call it conditioning if you want to pad the issue, but we're all programmed on some level by some method.

 

[Zyxx]

Ever played Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne? The Reason of Musubi sounds fantastic to me.

Basically, everyone gets his or her own isolated world which conforms to his or her desires - an individualized paradise. Contact with other people only occurs if both parties are willing.

Perhaps not strictly a "utopia", as there is little if any community involved, but figuring out how to make THIS work would probably be easier than getting everyone to actually live peacefully together.

 

[Drakmorg]

A world where everyone shuts the hell up and keeps to themselves.

That would be my utopia at any rate.

 

[spartan231490]

The idea that we could ever have a Utopian society is probably one of the worst concepts people ever came up with. It's not possible, stop wasting your breath on trying to accomplish it. Just try for a just or happy society. Perfect is both impossible and boring.

yeah, utopia isn't really possible. People are just too animal. I have some ideas that I think would get us a pretty good society, but they are too long to write out. It involves a pyramid-like government to limit the potential abuses of government, as well as to ensure that each individual has the maximum possible say in what happens in their life. It's based on a low-regulation capitalism system that regulates by giving incentives to good processes instead of by penalizing bad processes.

I have pages and pages on it, i'm thinking about writing something about it. a paper, or a small book or something.

Isn't that basically what the American government is supposed to be? Not to be rude or to troll you, but ideally the American government has various tiers of government (Federal, State, County, City) with checks and balances (Executive, Legislature, Justice) to prevent any one branch from growing too big or powerful and prevent corruption and abuse. We vote for people who we want to represent us in said government branches and levels. You can pretty much do anything as long as you don't hurt anyone. The reason we get tax breaks and subsidies is to encourage good behavior (like owning a home or growing food for others). And America is nothing if not capitalist. Remember our enemies keep calling us that as an insult or something (I wonder if they have any clue what it actually means).

You're not being rude or trolling, it's a legit question. In short, they sound alike, but they are fundamentally different. The main difference is that each tier of gov't can only affect interactions below the step beneath it. So, it would be like if the federal government was only allowed to regulate interstate commerce basically, and each state was only able to influence interactions between counties, and ect. There are other differences, but like I said, I want to avoid going into too much detail. And I would go a lot further than creating different branches of government. And we don't have as much power individually as I like because most decisions that influence us directly, are controlled by the federal or state government, which have a lot of voters. In my system, the gov't that would have the most influence over you is your town government.

And I would use similar systems to tax breaks and subsidies but take it much further, as well as removing many regulations and taxes on big business. They don't help as much as you think, because as long as you penalize bad behavior, people will find loopholes, if you only encourage good behavior, it's harder to get around. For example, instead of breaking apart monopolies and legislating against them, i would just give huge subsidies to companies that had a very very low percentage of market share.

I would, overall, be more lazze faire then the US with the economy, and very much more segmented with the government, and use something like a reinforced expanded bill of rights as well as checks and balances. if you're really interested, I could send you a message with the details in a few weeks once I have the chance to compile everything I have(I'm really busy for the next 2-3 weeks or more)

it obviously isn't perfect, no system is, and I don't even claim to be smart enough to come up with the best system all on my own, but I think it's the same basic format as the best possible government.

also, if your curious, it is heavily based on the philosophy of John Stuart Mills and the US government, I just expanded a few new steps based on his theories, and looked at what practices worked and how well the worked in the US(as well as which ones didn't and as near as I can figure why)

Whew, that was a bit of a wall of text wasn't it.

 

[crudus]

Spoiler: here is my idea of Utopian society.

Notice how there are no humans in it. Outside of that it is unobtainable. Humans will always find something to ***** about and make themselves feel superior while ostracizing some other people for a purely arbitrary reason.

 

[rt052192]

They cannot exist. They never have, never will.

 

[Saltyk]

The idea that we could ever have a Utopian society is probably one of the worst concepts people ever came up with. It's not possible, stop wasting your breath on trying to accomplish it. Just try for a just or happy society. Perfect is both impossible and boring.

yeah, utopia isn't really possible. People are just too animal. I have some ideas that I think would get us a pretty good society, but they are too long to write out. It involves a pyramid-like government to limit the potential abuses of government, as well as to ensure that each individual has the maximum possible say in what happens in their life. It's based on a low-regulation capitalism system that regulates by giving incentives to good processes instead of by penalizing bad processes.

I have pages and pages on it, i'm thinking about writing something about it. a paper, or a small book or something.

Isn't that basically what the American government is supposed to be? Not to be rude or to troll you, but ideally the American government has various tiers of government (Federal, State, County, City) with checks and balances (Executive, Legislature, Justice) to prevent any one branch from growing too big or powerful and prevent corruption and abuse. We vote for people who we want to represent us in said government branches and levels. You can pretty much do anything as long as you don't hurt anyone. The reason we get tax breaks and subsidies is to encourage good behavior (like owning a home or growing food for others). And America is nothing if not capitalist. Remember our enemies keep calling us that as an insult or something (I wonder if they have any clue what it actually means).

You're not being rude or trolling, it's a legit question. In short, they sound alike, but they are fundamentally different. The main difference is that each tier of gov't can only affect interactions below the step beneath it. So, it would be like if the federal government was only allowed to regulate interstate commerce basically, and each state was only able to influence interactions between counties, and ect. There are other differences, but like I said, I want to avoid going into too much detail. And I would go a lot further than creating different branches of government. And we don't have as much power individually as I like because most decisions that influence us directly, are controlled by the federal or state government, which have a lot of voters. In my system, the gov't that would have the most influence over you is your town government.

And I would use similar systems to tax breaks and subsidies but take it much further, as well as removing many regulations and taxes on big business. They don't help as much as you think, because as long as you penalize bad behavior, people will find loopholes, if you only encourage good behavior, it's harder to get around. For example, instead of breaking apart monopolies and legislating against them, i would just give huge subsidies to companies that had a very very low percentage of market share.

I would, overall, be more lazze faire then the US with the economy, and very much more segmented with the government, and use something like a reinforced expanded bill of rights as well as checks and balances. if you're really interested, I could send you a message with the details in a few weeks once I have the chance to compile everything I have(I'm really busy for the next 2-3 weeks or more)

it obviously isn't perfect, no system is, and I don't even claim to be smart enough to come up with the best system all on my own, but I think it's the same basic format as the best possible government.

also, if your curious, it is heavily based on the philosophy of John Stuart Mills and the US government, I just expanded a few new steps based on his theories, and looked at what practices worked and how well the worked in the US(as well as which ones didn't and as near as I can figure why)

Whew, that was a bit of a wall of text wasn't it.

So, you're suggesting a weak Federal government? Because that's kinda what it sounds like. And that isn't a good idea. One reason the Federal government is so strong is that they tried it as a weak one at first. The Federal government couldn't even tax and basically had to ask permission to get the states to do anything. And the military was a state matter. If the government wanted to build an interstate, they had to ask the states involved to do it and hope they would work well enough together to actually connect their roads. Imagine the difficulties that provided (especially with no money). Also, the Federal government can help insure that the citizens of the states are all treated fairly.

Encouraging good behavior is fine, but you also have to make sure that companies and people know that certain things are illegal. A major reason we can guarantee a certain level of safety at work is that there are things businesses just can't do. Some companies have royally screwed their employees in the past. Like mining companies that basically owned the whole town. From the homes to the grocery store. They'd set the prices of goods too high and pay the employees too little so that they were pretty much stuck there. And of course, there's gotta be concerns about food safety and quality.

And subsidizing small companies would probably not be a good idea. The vast majority of companies are small companies. Huge corporations like WalMart or McDonald's may grab the spotlight, but really the small companies are far more numerous. You'd be spending massive amounts of money on smaller companies.

Not trying to shit on your idea, just adding my two cents. Feel free to send me a message with your full idea and we can discuss it further if you like.

 

[yman15]

Utopia is a false ideal, the moment we reach it, all desire to do...well...anything will go straight out the window. There'd be no innovation, no exploration, hell, most of the population will cease having sex because they feel like they won't need to, pregnancy and birth being such distastefully messy things as they are. We'd all be born from test tubes

Lol, you kidding? People would be boning like crazy in a Utopia. They'd probably make the Karma Sutra Parts 2, 3, 4, and 5 seeing as they'd probably perfect birth control and there would be more mates to get with considering that there wouldn't be all that hate and divisiveness in the world. Also, people would probably be more attractive as a whole cuz of better health and lifestyle choices and natural evolution through racial integration where the best attributes of each race getting more and more present in each person.

But what would be the point sure you can have sex but if you live in a perfect society what could sex add to it. The satisfaction we receive from accomplishments would be gone. When you struggle and work for something it makes all the more satisfying. Think about it the rich kid who gets all the toys he wants will be board, uninterested and ultimately unsatisfied while the poor kid who works for all his toys will be all the more satisfied because he worked for all his toys. Most of the things in life that we find happyness in is from the journey not the destination & a utopia is the ultimate destination and after a while everything will lose its point especially emotion and we'll be shadows of our former selves going through the same cycle mundane cycle of of our lives and never feeling intense emotions (like in a book called the Giver). Really there's no point in "toys"(replace toys with sex). If you don't work for it all and it will be replaced with the more effective aforementioned test tube babies cause what would honestly be the point of it all if everything's already perfect?

 

[Artlover]

I have two alternate concepts of a utopian society would be like if I was ever rich enough to own my own private island in unclaimed international waters.

Utopia #1: No rules, regulations, laws. Period. Anyone can do anything they want. If you want to try and run a fair business, great. If you want to run a scam, thats great too. If you want to dump toxic waste in the water supply, go a head and do it. If you want videotape yourself raping and murdering your neighbor and sell the tapes on the internet, more power to you. Need/want something, buy it, or steal it, doesn't matter. Ideally, that fact that anyone can do anything could in theory be self supporting by the very nature that if you do something others object too, there is nothing stopping those others from getting payback in any mannor they choose in return. Your playing real life GTA on your street will only end with you getting car jacked and shot in the head by someone else who wants to play the same game. -- After the initial period of everyone going crazy ass bonkers nuts with raw primevil fun, those who are still alive will have learned it's better to work together towards a common goal that is in everyone's best interests. Of course, in reality, everyone will just kill each other, and the whole thing will come crashing down, but it would be sadisticly fun while it lasted.

Utopia #2: A true democracy, where everyone's voice counts. Where everyone is honest and sincearly tries to do they best that they can. Where everyone actually has control of their own destiny. Add to that, a completely authoritarian legal system that has no tollerance of any infraction of any kind no matter now small and trivial. This is not to be a dictatorship. Rules and laws have to be approved by everyone. Suspects still get their due process in a court. Once convicted however, you enter a very special place. -- Prisons will consist of 2' diameter clamshell tubes 6' tall so that prisoners will be unable to even kneel down. There will be grates for the floor and ceiling and no plumbing. If you need to go, you go, and it goes through the grate. These prison tubes are to be stacked, no less then 4 high. Which level you are put into depends on the crime you commited. If you did something minor, like spit on the sidewalk or jaywalked or flipped someone the finger, you would be on the top level for no less then a month. If you were a murderer or child molester, you are on the bottom for life (where you get showered in all the waste of everyone above you). Crimes inbetween get put into the mid level tubes for extended periods of time less then life (and don't have as much of a waste shower falling on them). There will be a small slot in each tube where two cups of water and two slices of bread will be passed through each day. Once a week, a firehose will be blasted down from the top level to somewhat wash the prisoners off which is only being done for the sake of the people who work there so they don't have to suffer the awful stench, not for any benifit of the prisoners. -- The idea being that any and all anti social activity will not be tolerated, and anyone who dares do so will suffer a hell so unberable that even top tube prisoners would rather slit their own throats with a dull knife made out of pealed lemons then have to go to prison, and thus everyone would be good little boys and girls.

Yes, I have given lots of thought to these (about 3 years worth to be honest). Yes, I am a sick and sadistic person. Thank you for noticing. >

 

[RickRoll]

I'm a little surprised at the mention of dystopian brain washing when that is clearly already happening on some scale. Call it conditioning if you want to pad the issue, but we're all programmed on some level by some method.

I think America is very clearly headed in the direction of "Brave New World," which is a fantastic Dystopian book by Aldous Huxley (I HIGHLY recommend it!). It is essentially a Dystopia where everyone has been dumbed down by constant, stupid, shallow pleasures that prevent them form ever stepping out of line or doing anything truly innovative anymore. It's a Dystopia where the Government is essentially killing Humanity's spark for ingenuity softly. That shit is going on the States right now with our ridiculous media brainwashing. I largely blame fucking Jersey Shore, lol. I don't want a country full of "Situations" and "Snookies!"

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

I'm a little surprised at the mention of dystopian brain washing when that is clearly already happening on some scale. Call it conditioning if you want to pad the issue, but we're all programmed on some level by some method.

I think America is very clearly headed in the direction of "Brave New World," which is a fantastic Dystopian book by Aldous Huxley (I HIGHLY recommend it!). It is essentially a Dystopia where everyone has been dumbed down by constant, stupid, shallow pleasures that prevent them form ever stepping out of line or doing anything truly innovative anymore. It's a Dystopia where the Government is essentially killing Humanity's spark for ingenuity softly. That shit is going on the States right now with our ridiculous media brainwashing. I largely blame fucking Jersey Shore, lol. I don't want a country full of "Situations" and "Snookies!"

I've read it - we're still missing Soma.