Your Wishlist for The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim
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I have two demands, very reasonable.
1.) Not to start in jail.
2.) If 1 is ot possible tell me my crime, make me understand why I am incarcerated.
3.) DON'T MAKE PEOPLE FORGET WHY I WAS IN PRISON IN THE FIRST PLACE, seriously where's the punishment for escaping from a jail?
1.) Not to start in jail.
2.) If 1 is ot possible tell me my crime, make me understand why I am incarcerated.
3.) DON'T MAKE PEOPLE FORGET WHY I WAS IN PRISON IN THE FIRST PLACE, seriously where's the punishment for escaping from a jail?
*How about the option to ally with the bad guys for once in a Bethesda game?
*No stupid essential characters.
*Don't make every character of the same race and sex have the same voice.
*GET MORE VOICE ACTORS! Or at least ones that have the ability to change their voice.
*Don't make us the feel like a little errand boy going back and forth between dungeons and doing fetch quests.
*No presuasion minigame crap, how someone likes you should be based on what you choose to say in dialogue.
*Make the most powerful armour in the game hard to get. That way we don't see lowly bandits with full Elven sets of armour or mauraders with Deadric armour and swords. Morrowind handled Deadric armour way better.
*Make factions more like they were in Morrowind, that way a brute type character who doesn't know any spells can't be Archmage and a mage can't be a champion of the Fighters Guild.
*A better face creation system that doesn't force us to make females cheeks protrude out just to make them smile. Also make fat, skinny, buff, tall etc etc options for our characters.
*Lastly, no, please dear god, please just don't, do not, for the sake of humanity bring back that awful leveling system for enemies.
There's more but I'll leave it at that.
EDIT: Oh how could I forget?
Imperial Watch: It..it's you! The Hero of Kvatch!
*steals spoon worth nothing*
Imperial Watch: Stop right there criminal scum!
Please fix this.
*No stupid essential characters.
*Don't make every character of the same race and sex have the same voice.
*GET MORE VOICE ACTORS! Or at least ones that have the ability to change their voice.
*Don't make us the feel like a little errand boy going back and forth between dungeons and doing fetch quests.
*No presuasion minigame crap, how someone likes you should be based on what you choose to say in dialogue.
*Make the most powerful armour in the game hard to get. That way we don't see lowly bandits with full Elven sets of armour or mauraders with Deadric armour and swords. Morrowind handled Deadric armour way better.
*Make factions more like they were in Morrowind, that way a brute type character who doesn't know any spells can't be Archmage and a mage can't be a champion of the Fighters Guild.
*A better face creation system that doesn't force us to make females cheeks protrude out just to make them smile. Also make fat, skinny, buff, tall etc etc options for our characters.
*Lastly, no, please dear god, please just don't, do not, for the sake of humanity bring back that awful leveling system for enemies.
There's more but I'll leave it at that.
EDIT: Oh how could I forget?
Imperial Watch: It..it's you! The Hero of Kvatch!
*steals spoon worth nothing*
Imperial Watch: Stop right there criminal scum!
Please fix this.
Bullox to no fast travel. I don't want to waste half an hour walking to a location I've already discovered.NobodyPro said:No fast travel. Period.
Also, am I the only one who thinks Bethesda should put production on hold so that they can invest the time and money implementing something resembling the Euphoria Animation Engine (As seen in GTA:IV, Red Dead Redemption, Force Unleashed and some American football game).
If I hit an unarmoured civilian in the head with a hammer, the size of their head, I want them to have their skull crushed or at least be knocked out from the blow. Doesn't anyone else think it would be cool to start spazzing out if you get hit by a shock spell (that's a higher level than your willpower or something) or fall over if someone puts an arrow through your leg while you're running.
What was wrong with throwing weapons and spears anyway? And why are axes blunt in Oblivion? I suppose I just miss that belt that could summon monsters in Morrowind.
EDIT: I forgot about levitation. But I can understand after finding an alternate way into the 'cities' in Oblivion.
Archery that is worth two shit's.
A law and order system that actually works.
The ability to brutally murder the Annoying Fan's great great great grandchildren. Again and again.
A law and order system that actually works.
The ability to brutally murder the Annoying Fan's great great great grandchildren. Again and again.
Never played Morrowind, but:
-A UI designed for computers then ported to consoles, not the other way.
-No DLC. The 'quests' for each are ridiculous, you are just given new houses whilst still in prison, this is a roleplaying game, why would my orc barbarian inherit some mage tower?
KOTN and SI were worth playing, but once you have taken battlehorn castle once, there is no need for it.
-Demphasize magic, put some limits on alchemy. In TES:IV you could kill anything without it touching you using custom spells, and magicka potions rain from the sky.
-Don't put the spellmaking/enchanting altar behind a ton of awful quests. Want a nighteye ring? Then I hope you like fetch quests!
-More unique dialogue, and don't just have your 4 voice actors record the same rumors. If all elves must say the same things, don't make them the same things that all orcs say
-More stealthy tools, sneaking and sneak attacking are all they have. Thieves aresnal's vine arrows are amazing, as are its thieves quests where it isn't painfully obvious where to go.
-Less linear progression in general, walking down every corridor you see shouldn't just lead you straight to the objectives.
-Please god no attribute bonuses. Having to take notes to level efficiently is not cool.
-Lower the value of loot. Buying all the houses with the proceeds of just the main quest shouldn't be doable[/hyperbole]
-Stop railroading us on quests. I have to fall into the obvious traps, because thats the way the quest was written. Boy Kalthar sure is obviously evil, better ignore it. Wow, an ambush, how dramatic!
-More random events, like bandits making raids, necromancers graverobbing etc. At the moment the world is full of people who stand waiting for you to walk up and kill them.
-In oblivion there are no real choices, at no point are you asked to give up something to get what you want, you can complete every quest in the game, and juggle being listener for the black hand with being an agent of the gods.
-A UI designed for computers then ported to consoles, not the other way.
-No DLC. The 'quests' for each are ridiculous, you are just given new houses whilst still in prison, this is a roleplaying game, why would my orc barbarian inherit some mage tower?
KOTN and SI were worth playing, but once you have taken battlehorn castle once, there is no need for it.
-Demphasize magic, put some limits on alchemy. In TES:IV you could kill anything without it touching you using custom spells, and magicka potions rain from the sky.
-Don't put the spellmaking/enchanting altar behind a ton of awful quests. Want a nighteye ring? Then I hope you like fetch quests!
-More unique dialogue, and don't just have your 4 voice actors record the same rumors. If all elves must say the same things, don't make them the same things that all orcs say
-More stealthy tools, sneaking and sneak attacking are all they have. Thieves aresnal's vine arrows are amazing, as are its thieves quests where it isn't painfully obvious where to go.
-Less linear progression in general, walking down every corridor you see shouldn't just lead you straight to the objectives.
-Please god no attribute bonuses. Having to take notes to level efficiently is not cool.
-Lower the value of loot. Buying all the houses with the proceeds of just the main quest shouldn't be doable[/hyperbole]
-Stop railroading us on quests. I have to fall into the obvious traps, because thats the way the quest was written. Boy Kalthar sure is obviously evil, better ignore it. Wow, an ambush, how dramatic!
-More random events, like bandits making raids, necromancers graverobbing etc. At the moment the world is full of people who stand waiting for you to walk up and kill them.
-In oblivion there are no real choices, at no point are you asked to give up something to get what you want, you can complete every quest in the game, and juggle being listener for the black hand with being an agent of the gods.
If you don't like it... don't use it? I like to walk places, but not if I'm nipping back across the whole map because I forgot my sword.NobodyPro said:
1) Variety of weapons. Spears and thrown weapons please. Beyond that, the standard bows, hammers, swords, axes, daggers and two-handed versions of those weapons are fine.
2) Feats. Talents. Abilities. Basically, a system, like in D&D, The Elder Scroll's non-digital forebear, where you can specialize your role, increase your effectiveness under certain circumstances and overall be more unique. Important: let players retrain the most recent of these "feats" that they took if they decided that they don't like it, but don't let them retrain all of them at once. The time between levels or milestones should be large enough to settle on a choice.
3) Somebody earlier mentioned eliminating spells that render certain skills useless. I agree with this.
There have been many good requests made, specifically regarding level scaling, environment/enemy variety and immersion. I won't bother repeating those. Instead, I'll talk about certain ideas that I think wouldn't work for a TES game.
1) Free running/acrobatics. I understand how fun the parkour is in Mirror's Edge/Assassin's Creed, but let's be honest here: that really wouldn't fit in an Elder Scrolls game.
2) People talking about making Guilds exclusive. Wherein joining one guild precludes you from joining another. While I liked the idea that there would be certain organizations that are exclusive from each other (Necromancers vs. Mages, for instance), one shouldn't be restricted to choosing one guild. A spell-slinging sword-master is a common and popular archetype in fantasy, and it would make sense for such a character to be a high-ranking member of both factions.
3) Fast travel. Leave it in, but don't point out locations on your map that you have to walk to. Let people figure things out on their own, but don't make it too difficult. A quest log with directions would help in that regard.
2) Feats. Talents. Abilities. Basically, a system, like in D&D, The Elder Scroll's non-digital forebear, where you can specialize your role, increase your effectiveness under certain circumstances and overall be more unique. Important: let players retrain the most recent of these "feats" that they took if they decided that they don't like it, but don't let them retrain all of them at once. The time between levels or milestones should be large enough to settle on a choice.
3) Somebody earlier mentioned eliminating spells that render certain skills useless. I agree with this.
There have been many good requests made, specifically regarding level scaling, environment/enemy variety and immersion. I won't bother repeating those. Instead, I'll talk about certain ideas that I think wouldn't work for a TES game.
1) Free running/acrobatics. I understand how fun the parkour is in Mirror's Edge/Assassin's Creed, but let's be honest here: that really wouldn't fit in an Elder Scrolls game.
2) People talking about making Guilds exclusive. Wherein joining one guild precludes you from joining another. While I liked the idea that there would be certain organizations that are exclusive from each other (Necromancers vs. Mages, for instance), one shouldn't be restricted to choosing one guild. A spell-slinging sword-master is a common and popular archetype in fantasy, and it would make sense for such a character to be a high-ranking member of both factions.
3) Fast travel. Leave it in, but don't point out locations on your map that you have to walk to. Let people figure things out on their own, but don't make it too difficult. A quest log with directions would help in that regard.
I can support this if for no other reason than to give some feeling of effectiveness in melee combat. This has always been a problem with Elder Scrolls of course, but I'd at least like a better indication of how well I hit beyond watching a health meter. Also, locational damage would make combat more interesting I suppose, but it also introduces new and exciting problems.SweetLiquidSnake said:
Die By the Sword, for the record, had the best melee weapon combat in any game ever. It was also a complete pain in the ass to play.
A thousand times this. When I can cast a mid level heal that does more healing in an instant and a substantial heal over time, why would I ever cast "Default Player Spell"? At level 20, it takes a dozen castings of that spell in order to overcome the result of a single attack!SweetLiquidSnake said:
Technically, Oblivion had perks. At each level of mastery in a skill, some special feature was unlocked. With magic it was just a boring "you can cast the next tier of spell" but it offered new attack effects or offered the ability to skip on top of water.SweetLiquidSnake said:
I could support this as well. There really weren't all that many enemy types in Oblivion (the cast was certainly shorter than for morrowind). But I would only want such a thing to happen if there was a meaningful difference in the new enemy types.SweetLiquidSnake said:
I don't like the essential companions idea as this simply results in breaking the game (unless of course they only get back up after combat has ended).SweetLiquidSnake said:
Not only that but you could achieve the same effect through bribery without resorting to the stupid little game and it was so rarely useful anyhow. The daily power of an Imperial makes the skill entirely useless and since one can no longer insult a foe into foolishly attacking, there is little reason for it to hang around in any form. Either create a new system from the ground up or just get rid of the thing.SweetLiquidSnake said:
I personally prefer the Oblivion system for the most part. Of course, if you decide you're sick of hitting dudes with hammers and want to switch to a bow, your only option is to be rubbish at the game for a very long time as you slowly gain the skills necessary to switch. While the class system is, technically, not a class system at all, a player can really only decide to change the way they play early on.SweetLiquidSnake said:
Incidentally, this problem could be resolved if they didn't have leveled enemies, or at least only used leveled enemies in main quest areas (which, for the record, was entirely possible within the Elder Scrolls Toolset).
I want to support this idea but then when it was implemented in a mod (one of the best for the game really), it became blindingly obvious that Horseback combat was either hilariously unwieldy or grossly overpowered.SweetLiquidSnake said:
I'd rather there be both. If your fame is high (and you are therefore known) your "karma" would affect someone's base disposition along with personality.SweetLiquidSnake said:
The oblivion system was silly in this regard as one gained a skill point every 100 successful uses of a skill. Given that, if one were a dedicated marksman and was always equipped as well as possible a foe could be dispatched in an arrow or two made leveling the skill difficult to say the least.SweetLiquidSnake said:
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I would like to see personal relationships trump factional ties.
If I want to rampage against the city guard, I should be able to have other city guard's "quit" their faction - along with the perks - because I've built a relationship with them.
Nothing so easy as "Bribe. Pull Weapon out and bribe again. Woohoo max relationship.", of course.
If I want to rampage against the city guard, I should be able to have other city guard's "quit" their faction - along with the perks - because I've built a relationship with them.
Nothing so easy as "Bribe. Pull Weapon out and bribe again. Woohoo max relationship.", of course.
I would honestly like to see people stop talking about it.
Seriously, it's been way over-discussed, and not only on this forum.
Seriously, it's been way over-discussed, and not only on this forum.
Daggerfall was all copy pasted and randomized, thus it doesn't count. I'd prefer less, more well designed areas.Veldie said:
More varied magical effects.
For things like destruction, make Fire, Frost and shock more than simply different coloured subtraction spells fired at the enemy to desrease their number of health.
Just in general, make offensive, defensive and passive magic far more varied and imaginative.
They are further cutting down the magic system from what I hear, so that there are even less schools of magic now. That for me means if there are the same amount of spell effects as Oblivion for example, or god forbid even less, Ill say "no thanks" to skyim. Its making magic too boring.
Things like the Skull of Corruption and Mannimarco staff effect are what should be making up the magic system in TES. Not relegated to stupid spell discharging sticks. Bringing back teleportation and levitation along with other effects would help. Felt like a dipshit in Oblivion not being able to teleport anywhere without a stupid DLC. Its just neutering the mage.
For things like destruction, make Fire, Frost and shock more than simply different coloured subtraction spells fired at the enemy to desrease their number of health.
Just in general, make offensive, defensive and passive magic far more varied and imaginative.
They are further cutting down the magic system from what I hear, so that there are even less schools of magic now. That for me means if there are the same amount of spell effects as Oblivion for example, or god forbid even less, Ill say "no thanks" to skyim. Its making magic too boring.
Things like the Skull of Corruption and Mannimarco staff effect are what should be making up the magic system in TES. Not relegated to stupid spell discharging sticks. Bringing back teleportation and levitation along with other effects would help. Felt like a dipshit in Oblivion not being able to teleport anywhere without a stupid DLC. Its just neutering the mage.
One - Playable on my machine would be nice.
Two - No minigames. AT ALL. You want to create minigames, go work for Popcap!
Three - Please don't dumb down the character options any further. You are designing one of the best RPGs of the market here - so hire an RPG DESIGNER who knows their stuff, and understands that options and choice are important, as long as they can be USED. Every iteration from Daggerfall has seen the removal of skills and other options because they were not being used enough - yet as the designers of the game, you get to define whether or not they are used and how relevent they are when they are used.
Four - Perks would be nice, but do not be tempted to make Elder Scrolls 5 a fantasy version of Fallout. You will piss off more fans than you will please. Besides, I'm still bitter that you actually turned Fallout 3 into a first-person perspective...
Five - Don't pander to the player's mechanics requests when they conflict with gameplay and/or setting, and if possible, allow the option for both. A lot of people will request mechanical tweaks, mostly built upon their favoured character archetypes, that may or may not be detrimental to the game.
Six - The features we've come to expect from the previous games should ALL be in the base game. No DLC, no mods, nothing else should be required. That means the basics such as fast travel, item and spell creation, lockpicking and stealth, multiple solutions, conflicting factions (it should be hard, if not impossible, to be the head of multiple guilds, especially rival guilds), a useful quest journal, and so forth.
Two - No minigames. AT ALL. You want to create minigames, go work for Popcap!
Three - Please don't dumb down the character options any further. You are designing one of the best RPGs of the market here - so hire an RPG DESIGNER who knows their stuff, and understands that options and choice are important, as long as they can be USED. Every iteration from Daggerfall has seen the removal of skills and other options because they were not being used enough - yet as the designers of the game, you get to define whether or not they are used and how relevent they are when they are used.
Four - Perks would be nice, but do not be tempted to make Elder Scrolls 5 a fantasy version of Fallout. You will piss off more fans than you will please. Besides, I'm still bitter that you actually turned Fallout 3 into a first-person perspective...
Five - Don't pander to the player's mechanics requests when they conflict with gameplay and/or setting, and if possible, allow the option for both. A lot of people will request mechanical tweaks, mostly built upon their favoured character archetypes, that may or may not be detrimental to the game.
Six - The features we've come to expect from the previous games should ALL be in the base game. No DLC, no mods, nothing else should be required. That means the basics such as fast travel, item and spell creation, lockpicking and stealth, multiple solutions, conflicting factions (it should be hard, if not impossible, to be the head of multiple guilds, especially rival guilds), a useful quest journal, and so forth.
A better leveling system, I like the fact that you got bonuses for the skills you used most but if you tagged them as a leveling skill you would level too fast.
How about a normal EXP based leveling system where you get skill points to use (like FO3) and you get a bonus for skills you used a lot?
How about a normal EXP based leveling system where you get skill points to use (like FO3) and you get a bonus for skills you used a lot?