You're a teen so you're not in charge of your sexuality...

[HardkorSB]

"Supposed" by whom?

Do I really need to explain basic biology to you?
Ehhh, fine.

You see, a heterosexual couple can produce babies. A homosexual couple can't.
Producing babies in necessary not only for the survival of one's DNA but also for the survival of the entire species.
That's how we evolved.
Homosexuality, no matter how common, is not the default state. It's a deviation from it.

Heterosexuality and homosexuality are both natural states.

And I said they aren't where exactly?

Calling heterosexuality more "logical" than homosexuality is like saying grass is more "logical" than moss. They are both just things that exist; they're not arguments to be evaluated.

Heterosexual mammals possess the sexual drive necessary to reproduce. Homosexual ones do not possess that drive.
It's more logical to reproduce and keep your own species alive than not.

 

[Silvanus]

Do I really need to explain basic biology to you?
Ehhh, fine.

You see, a heterosexual couple can produce babies. A homosexual couple can't.
Producing babies in necessary not only for the survival of one's DNA but also for the survival of the entire species.
That's how we evolved.
Homosexuality, no matter how common, is not the default state. It's a deviation from it.

I understood all that already, thank you. Drop the condescending tone.

My point was this: the term "Supposed" implies intention-- it implies there is somebody to "suppose".

Heterosexual mammals possess the sexual drive necessary to reproduce. Homosexual ones do not possess that drive.
It's more logical to reproduce and keep your own species alive than not.

Really? Our birthrate is arguably too high. We do not want everybody reproducing-- it would not be beneficial.

Seems perfectly "logical" than not all members of our species reproduce.

 

[MrGonzales]

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I've never denied that. All I've tried to do is open the POSSIBILITY (therefore, not an absolute) that it's not as simple as 'she's gay now.' Have the writers come out and said she's supposed to be a lesbian? If that's the case, then I'll just back down.

Dude, what more do you need to prove that a character is gay? Must they get married and live together for 20 years or something? And why on earth do you require the word of the writers to confirm a story element that was shoved right into your face without any doubt or subtlety in it. If the writers actually have to confirm or deny something like that after the fact then they are making themselves out to be very poor writers.

 

[MrGonzales]

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You're kind of late to the party, but alright, I'll bite.

I pointed out that maybe it wasn't as simple as Her being a lesbian, because I thought there were a few elements that made it a little more complex.

Spoiler

Aside from Ellie being a teenager (and teens not always knowing where they should fall in terms of sexuality), Ellie's been brought up in a world where she has no idea how one properly expresses themselves, period. Remember, she's 15, and she has no idea what it was like before the outbreak of the cordyceps virus. As such, when she develops an incredibly strong emotional bond with Riley, perhaps the only way she think of that could possibly express her feeling is a kiss. Nevermind the fact that romantic intent was never really expressed in the scene. They kiss... and then go back to what they were doing before.

Those points would factor into a real persons confusion over their sexuality, but this is a written story. If the writer has two characters dancing with each other to a suggestive song before kissing then the writer is making it clear that the two are attracted to each other. Plus, it's not like the emotional moment is stopped by either of them willingly, it's stopped because they have to run for their lives from the infected.

 

[Jenvas1306]

That's because heterosexuality is the default state. It's the way it's supposed to be in order to keep our species alive.
It's logical to be attracted to the opposite sex, that's why people don't question it.

If we look at other primates we see that being Bi seems to be the norm for them. it doesnt hinder reproduction but allows for more sex and among primates more sex means less frustration and violence, which is good for the group. we all know that dont we?
Now what makes humans different? well its our social norms that cause lots of people who are actually some degree of bi to rather be straight because its easier, or even to be gay because even thats easier.

"Supposed" by whom?

Do I really need to explain basic biology to you?
Ehhh, fine.

-SNIP

a homosexual couple can have as much sex as they want, for a hetero sexual coupl that usually causes inconvenience and another mouth to feed, which can be hindering for survival.
Also, reproducing doesnt require the people involved to love each other, a guy can think of a hot steamy locker room full of sweaty macho muscle while impregnating a women who is mentally making a shopping list...they still reproduce, probably because they both felt the need to have a child and that instinct is seperate from any sexual attraction.

 

[Grace_Omega]

I think we all realize that the "it's just a phase" responses to That Character's sexuality (this will be into It Was His Sled territory by the end of the week) are mostly just a weird knee-jerk reaction by people who are uncomfortable with it, particularly when they insist not just that she might be going through a phase but that she *must* be, no question about it and can we please stop talking about this right now.

(If anyone is seriously still trying to argue anything like this: the creative staff of the game have explicitly stated in interviews that the two characters in question have romantic feelings for each other and that The Scene was meant to be expressing this)

You are absolutely correct that there's a huge double standard at play here and that straight teens' sexuality is not questioned or doubted. On the other hand of course, there are many people who are deeply uncomfortable with the idea that young people have any sense of sexuality at all. I can only assume these people were never young themselves.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

If nothing else, I can always count on you to be a voice of reason.

^^ I try.

Also, I feel like I should jump in on the discussion of a lesbian character in games, but I haven't played that game and honestly have no interest in doing so (I just don't enjoy zombie games) so... yeah.

Anyway, thanks for the compliment. ^^