Zero Punctuation: Brutal Legend

[Fallopian_Faust]

I'm amazed people take Yahtzee seriously as a reviewer, his views on a game mean even less to me than the so-called "professionals" at IGN and the like.

The reason for this is he's a comedian; a damn good one at that. I laugh my ass off even when he's blasting one of my favorite games.

 

[Samoftherocks]

After reading the posts here, I feel I fit into the minority of people who like Jack Black, Metal, RTSs, and don't mind a heavy-handed mix of all three in the same game. Listening to Dragonforce while driving around a crumbling castle and being assaulted by unmentionable evil is fucking awesome...but it's a niche. I get it. So what?

Lately I've just been setting the game up to sit there and play music, which I suppose isn't much of recommendation, but then again, when you do play, you get a guitar that rains lightning from the sky. I defy any of you to top that!

Note: Painkiller, gun that shoots shurikens and lightning, I remember...

 

[Gutterpunk]

I do agree with most of the review still. Finding the motor forges is easy since they're all surrounded by red flowers visible even from a distance, but the story and guitar solo-stones really should've been marked on the map or introduced some other way. Then again, there was a great deal of that in Psychonauts too, so if it didn't bother you then it really shouldn't bother you now.

Yes, there is flowers, but you don't know that before you find a location. I remember seeing one of so many damn popup telling me about the flowers, describing how we could use them to find ancient artifacts, but frankly, I didn't realize that a "MotorForge" was an ancient artifact before I got the quest to go to the MotorForge (right before the first Tour) and there was no Motorforge at the end of the cinematic. I had to enter the Motorforge twice to continue my quest, as there wasn't any weapon to buy the first time because I was apparently in "New Forge Found, Play The Cool Ozzy Cinematic" mode.

So yeah, it's a fair description IMHO.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Personally, I won't be getting Brutal Legend... I just couldn't get along with the demo (got as far as the big gate at the bottom of the ramp you descend with the spider-walker-thing). I love the old metal music's and the hack-and-slash and open world stuff I can cope with, but I really, really, really hate Jack Black, he very much gets on my nerves.

(And just in case any of you call me a "Yahtzee Cultist", I played Pyschonauts when it originally came out and got bored during the Military Bloke's War-torn Mind, but decided after Yahtzee's comments on it to try it again... Still came up bored and not enjoying it :-/ I thought some of the ideas were interesting, but for me the game was lacking some crucial component to keep my interest.)

 

[solidstatemind]

I loved Brutal Legend. One of the best games this year. My only gripe with it is that the main story is a bit to short, and you have no way of seeing the cinematics over again.

A bit sad to see that people worship Yahtzees words, which in turn makes them pass over great games which he didn't like. These "reviews" are fun and all, but hardly proper reviews. Oh well, sucks for you worshipers I guess.
*dreams himself off to the Age of Metal*

Thank God man, I thought I was the only one who saw the development of a Yahtzee-worshiping cult. I hope it doesn't take a degree in Sociology or Religious History to see the Protestant Reformation parallel of it all.

It's one of my favorite games of all time, of course, thats along with games like Mirror's Edge, Mass Effect, and the Total War series*, so I'm pretty much an infidel to the Yahtzee-faithful.

*I recognize there hasn't been any offical dogma official denouncing the Total War series or the RTS genre in general, but if you've seen some of the forum chatter since Halo Wars and Darkest of Days, some elements of the RTS community fear that we may end up as the next scapegoat to be burned at the stake by these Gaming Zealots. If that day comes, I shall join you in Ironheade, as fighting a war against Trolls and Gaming Zealots is a lost cause.

I've been hanging out on these forums for a long while-- at least a year before I bothered to register and post. While I understand your concern, it's always been like this: there is a segment of fanboys who take Yahtzee's word as Gospel, and are very vocal in their adulation. That said, I don't think that is so much different than any forum- you're going to deal with a certain amount of fanboys. I think the real issue here is that it's impacting a game which you enjoy.

So I guess what I'm tryin to say is: don't stress about it man. It's not going to make any difference in the long run. Smart people will enjoy the reviews for their entertainment value and perhaps take into account any complaints Mr. Croshaw voices that align with our own pet peeves of games (I intensely dislike bad controls, so I take notice when he says a game has difficult or unresponsive input), but otherwise make our own decisions... but the sheep?

Well, sheep will be sheep, and there really is very little you can say to change that...

 

[bachterman]

oooh, how i hate jack black. AND shitty sandbox games. and rtses.
and not because yahtzee told the same.

 

[Firia]

I'm rather surprised Yathzee didn't like this game (as opposed to any other game he's reviewed and didn't like). Basicly for all the points leading up to the part about RTS elements.

I'm not a diehard metal fan. I enjoy me some metal, now and again. The demo (all I can afford at this time) put a big stupid grin on my face. It's a shame to hear that it all bleeds away into an RTS sandbox. Maybe I can just reply the demo over and over? And learn the ways of French Kissing? (Big stupid grin.)

 

[Highlandheadbanger]

This is more a rant about Yahtzee-fanboyism then the man's condemnation of today's game. (the rant has been cut for time but you should still read it)

There's a difference between being a fan and a fanboy. A fan of Yahtzee's holds onto their opinion but appreciates what he does - deliver fresh, well-written and funny content every single week, which is more than most American sitcoms can claim. A fanboy clings to his every word be it spoken very quickly into a headset microphone or stated somewhat quietly in person. For example, I enjoyed Mass Effect very much but I still smiled at Yahtzee's commentary on the wordiness of the game. Yahtzee isn't going to convince me to buy a game I hadn't considered buying - unless I hadn't heard of it, vis a vis Trine - nor is he going to convince me to stop liking a game he dislikes, such as the aforementioned Mass Effect.

Yahtzee himself has little patience for sycophants. From Mailbag Showdown [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/37-Mailbag-Showdown]:

"Do you really need somebody in authority giving you a simple Yay or Nay before you buy anything? Why don't you roll over so they can stomp on the other side of your face?"

I agree with you whole-heartedly my friend, I love Yahtzee and appreciate his insight even as he grounds some of my favorite games into the dust, like he said, I'm just another bleating sheep in the herd if I follow his commentary (glad you quoted that). I acknowledge the bad with the good, hell, thats just part of loving something-anything really. I know I sounded a little condemning in my preliminary statement about the review, but I wanted to get a forceful opinion out there and established lest it be altered and thrown in my face at a later date. Really, I laugh at what he says about things being a problem, if you honestly appreciate it, you gotta laugh and acknowledge the problem (though on a select few occasions, I found him take it to the point of excess, condemning one or two games over things I found to be either trivialities or non-problems).

Unfortunately, on forums, and in talking to fellow Zero Punctuation fans face-to-face, I've come across a disturbing trend in people who go beyond appreciation for what he says. Making prolonged rants about Mass Effect or Mirror's Edge (or one or two other games I'm less cavalier about), yet upon further inquiry learning the individual had not played the aforementioned game (not even a demo or at the least a youtube walkthrough!). The first instance of this was a year ago, but I've seen it becoming more and more prevalent as time goes on. Attitudes based upon faith and or [seeming] single-minded adolation, devoid of personal opinions or experience and personal introspection are highly dangerous. This is true whether you're talking about religious extremism, faith-based political action [or a more honest term-dogma based], or something much smaller in scale, such as this. The problem seems to manifest itself most prominently among former console fanboys, breaking free of their former idol only to latch onto a new prophet [whether or not that was his intent].

I'm reminded of the Protestant Reformation, or more recently, organized Dawkinst Athiesm. Where people break-off from a dominate religion or ethical philosophy, only to establish a new dogma and blind-following. A sociological irony deriving from some primal instint in the Ancient Thinker/Believer mental divide.

 

[Gutterpunk]

After reading the posts here, I feel I fit into the minority of people who like Jack Black, Metal, RTSs, and don't mind a heavy-handed mix of all three in the same game. Listening to Dragonforce while driving around a crumbling castle and being assaulted by unmentionable evil is fucking awesome...but it's a niche. I get it. So what?

Exactly...

Yahtzee screwed up with this review IMHO. HE doesn't like the game, but at the same time wonder why some people didn't like Psychonaut. Just imagine that Brutal Legend is Psychonaut Yahtzee, you'll get it... Apparently Shaffer is capable of more than one niche genre, and Yahtzee is just throwing a hissy fit because he didn't pick his this time.

I mean, he didn't even mention the repetitive side quests, which is the most blatant problem in that game. Making the same 3 kind of missions over and over again for those upgrades points get boring quick... He didn't review the game, he reviews how it look like compared to what he likes, which is just what he does.

It was fun to play a sandbox game that wasn't about Being A Guy With A Gun In A World Of Many Guns. I'll take being a Roadie anytime over being a Tough Lone Soldier or yet another Gansta'.

 

[Dreey]

This game Rocks! Heavy Metal style. Those that haven't played it and think it sucks should at least watch the let's play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsbu6H2peLc&feature=PlayList&p=FD766B0FA900BAEC&index=0&playnext=1

 

[LadyZephyr]

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Funny review, but the RTS stage battles were the most fun for me. Charging into battle with a group of 40 headbangers, molotov-throwing hogs, roadies, and a goddamn Heavy Metal tank was amazing.

Motor Forges are pretty fucking obvious too. VERY early on in the game, it tells you to watch out for red vines, where you can raise relics from the ground. A motor forge is a fairly huge chunk of silvery metal surrounded by red vines. It's possible to miss them, but only if you're almost purposefully doing so.

If you want to complain, whine about the game's real issue: the side missions. Some are really fun and made me laugh at the VA work, but that was only about 10%. The rest are the same three or four basic missions over and over, and while it's not really that bad if you stagger them out over the game, if you're like me and tend to finish up sidemissions post-game, then it sucks. THAT is BL's biggest weakness.

That, and the story is very easy to speed through. I think Schafer imagined gamers would stop and do sidemissions instead of powering through the story quest. WHY he thought this, I have no idea, because the story and the overworld are the best parts of this game and I was really gunning to see the end of the plotline ASAP.

But this game's worth playing for the one thing Yahtzee didn't even mention (which kind of astounds me, really) and that's the overworld itself. The game's environment is pretty big, comparable to... maybe Saints Row 2 in sheer size. But the world is very obviously the crowning gem of the game and the many years of work that went into this game are most obvious when you're just driving around, listening to the radio, and finding things.

When I played, I found it's always a real, rich world. There are no open, blank areas to be found and no two spots look the same. I was driving around for a good ten minutes, just cruising, and I ran across the spine of Ormaggoden, a Stonehenge-esque rock formation, a 50 foot stone Celtic cross, an enormous car engine being dissolved by the sea, a cave filled with metal spiders with shiny metallic webs, statues of hands giving the "rock" sign to the sky, and a beachside rock concert. ALL IN TEN MINUTES. And I was on a very small part of the main map! It's like that everywhere!

I dunno. I just think this game is a must-rent. It's sadly not long enough to stand up to months of playing, but it's an amazing way to kill a week.

Though, fuck, Yahtzee's right about the Mount Rockmore thing. I had to consult Rooster Teeth's Achievement Hunter for that. Quick help for anyone who may rent BL: Hold X to release dragons, play Relic Raiser near vines, and do an Earthshaker to release Legends.


oh god how did I write so much what is wrong with me

 

[BlueInkAlchemist]

oh god how did I write so much what is wrong with me

I've asked myself that question many times. You've taken another step into a larger world.

putting your fingers in ice water may help with the cramps.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Not to try and destroy Yahtzee's point with the RTS thing, but after the game came out Tim Schafer came out and said not to play it like an RTS and to play it more like a hack and slash with RTS elements. Like you should be down there a fair bit with your guys, you just need to replenish them every once in a while.

As I have been trying to point out for the last two weeks...

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED IN THE GAME.

Or gamers could, you know, figure it out.

I'm not going to argue the point of the game not being intuitive, but as far as actual game-play goes, I'm struggling to comprehend how people are not figuring things out on their own. It seems a lot like complaining Earthbound only very vaguely tipping you off to Pray on the last fight. . .

Whatever happened to learning through exhausting option?

My guess is developers realised it wasn't all that fun.

 

[Little Duck]

I've yet to play it, but I am still tempted to get it, just for the soundtrack.

There is one question I wanted to ask though, I know it's about as likely as the moon colliding with Uranus, but are you gonna review Tropico 3? I know you're not a huge fan, but this is meant to have a bit of humour and other such things to tease you over. That and you get to be a dictator.

 

[Red Rum]

SPOILERS!

I actually liked Brutal Legend, but the biggest problem I had with it was that it ended too abruptly! I thought when I defeated the Drowning Doom at the Sea of Black Tears, and Ophelia would see the errors of her ways and rejoin Ironheade, that there were going to be more missions before the final battle against Emperor Doviculus in the kingdom of the Tainted Coil... but NO! The Tainted Coil assaulted the Sea of Black Tears and Eddie battled Doviculus in the heart of some giant demonic church/obsidian sludge beast. Eddie chopped off the Emperor's head and only a few minutes later, the credits started rolling; there wasn't even a post-credit scene where Doviculus's head emerged from the Black Tears saying something like "I will f**king kill you, Son of Succoria...".

I hope this problem will be better assessed... in Brutal Legend II!

 

[Gutterpunk]

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Funny review, but the RTS stage battles were the most fun for me. Charging into battle with a group of 40 headbangers, molotov-throwing hogs, roadies, and a goddamn Heavy Metal tank was amazing.

Motor Forges are pretty fucking obvious too. VERY early on in the game, it tells you to watch out for red vines, where you can raise relics from the ground. A motor forge is a fairly huge chunk of silvery metal surrounded by red vines. It's possible to miss them, but only if you're almost purposefully doing so.

(...)

Though, fuck, Yahtzee's right about the Mount Rockmore thing. I had to consult Rooster Teeth's Achievement Hunter for that. Quick help for anyone who may rent BL: Hold X to release dragons, play Relic Raiser near vines, and do an Earthshaker to release Legends.


oh god how did I write so much what is wrong with me

Apparently, some people had problems with the Forge, while others had problems with the Rockmore thing.

"Relics" != Motor Forge, and I was looking for a Motor Forge. Like you said, the map visuals are plenty and abundant, a "fairly huge chunk of silvery metal surrounded by red vines" doesn't look much out of place in that world, especially at the speed that the scenery fly by.

I'm not defending Yahtzee here, I'm saying that when he started talking about Rockmore, I kept thinking how I had trouble finding the Motor Forge, and then he mentioned the Motor Forge. Apparently he isn't alone who drove around looking for a Motor Forge...

 

[uncle-ellis]

The video does'nt work it just has a spinning ring in the left bit of the player.

Halp.

 

[Macgyvercas]

So your saying Tim Schafer is Jack black? Wierd since it could be true...... (Also this has been bugging me all day, can someone tell me which ZP episode has the funny Painkiller thing at the end?)

That would be the Witcher.

Great review Yahtzee, but I'm still checking Brutal Legend out. Maybe I'll just rent it now though.