You need to click QUOTE at the bottom right of someone's post so they get a message saying you replied, otherwise a discussion is impossible.The-Fletch said:
And I agree, it looks very mediocre, I'm waiting for a sale too.
Zero Punctuation: Deus Ex: Human Revolution
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And I agree, it looks very mediocre, I'm waiting for a sale too.
Ever heard the term "harsh, but fair"?
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To be honest, I think Yahtzee was a bit to fair on it, but hey.
The original keeps its title as the best game ever. Moving on
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To be honest, I think Yahtzee was a bit to fair on it, but hey.
The original keeps its title as the best game ever. Moving on
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You should definitely bother with it. There are certainly flaws and most of the things he mentions are indeed problems, but he doesn't really speak much of the incredible abundance of things that were done right.The-Fletch said:
Human Revolution feels like what PC games SHOULD BE LIKE, even if it does have a couple of flaws.
It really isn't mediocre at all. The attempts to highlight the negative qualities (especially in light of the number of glowing reviews) have really give it a bad rap. It's reasonable and it's worth pointing out that the game isn't perfect, but it makes it sound as if those completely overshadow all of the the positive qualities of the game. And the positive qualities far outshine any negative qualities.CardinalPiggles said:
Despite the handful of problems, I would say that DXHR was easily the best PC game I've played in the last year or so.
Yahtzee's complaints about the bosses only applies to the second one that has no real tricks to it. The first one can be killed without weapons (there are poison gas canisters and explosive cannisters lying around. toss a poison gas one which will stun him and follow up with an explosive. Then repeat)
the second boss just involves running around and shooting, so this is the bad one.
the third boss though does have a turret hacking thing. you can grab hacked turret from a bit earlier in the stage and bring it into the fight. if you do it right the turret will do all the work. You just have to not die.
the second boss just involves running around and shooting, so this is the bad one.
the third boss though does have a turret hacking thing. you can grab hacked turret from a bit earlier in the stage and bring it into the fight. if you do it right the turret will do all the work. You just have to not die.
I do agree with the boss fight thing, as does everyone and their mother besides that one article trying to say that "sometimes you can't get what you want and the game tells you that here." But otherwise, this is one of my favorite games now, hands down.
Also, Pritchard totally gets the stick out of his ass eventually. You can tell because he quits hating on Jensen after a while, and they turn into sort of "snarky buddies" or at least "snarky acquaintances." But maybe I just think Pritchard is the man.
Anyone who takes Yahtzee at full face value here and decides to skip the game, is really losing out. It's not the Perfectest Game Ever, because none of them are, but I'd say you should kick it up a few million notches in priority.
Also, Pritchard totally gets the stick out of his ass eventually.
You can tell because he quits hating on Jensen after a while, and they turn into sort of "snarky buddies" or at least "snarky acquaintances." But maybe I just think Pritchard is the man.Anyone who takes Yahtzee at full face value here and decides to skip the game, is really losing out. It's not the Perfectest Game Ever, because none of them are, but I'd say you should kick it up a few million notches in priority.
He's a tobacconist, isn't it obvious? Well I do grant you it looks a little bit more like a game critic's channel than a tobacconists...
The biggest problem isn't the boss fights, it is the lack of connection to the bosses. You had a real connection to all the bosses in Deus Ex, in Human Resources they are just some big bad guy. I like Yahtzee's suggestions for the alternative approaches to the boss fights too, I hope we see them in the inevitable follow up. Also I consider this game to be reboot, because Jensen is so vastly superior to Hermann and Navarre it doesn't fit in the continuity.
I would've agreed with the whole "of course technological add-ons are better" part had I not watched that one trailer/tv spot for Human Revolution where the augmentations were being rejected by the body and the only cure was medicine from the company that sold you the metal parts and...
oh where was I? Um...dude, I wanna play this game sooo bad :[
oh where was I? Um...dude, I wanna play this game sooo bad :[
Yet he didn't mention the severe case of silly lips every person in the game had, serious the lip synching is almost as bad as Alan Wake.
I'm not entirely against augmentation, but there are a lot of reasons that people become unhappy with the way they were born, and some of those reasons are really stupid.
I cannot forgive Ion Storm for what they did to JC in Invisible War.
*spoilers*
In Deus Ex I made a point of staying loyal to Tracer Tong and Paul. I went for the Dark Age scenario. Obviously that was undone by having JC merged with Helios come Invisible War. But fair enough; I had the imagination to presume Helios re-routed its systems before the A-51 'incident' and somehow convinced JC to merge. This also meant JC had miraculously escaped to the surface.
So, as Alex D(enton), in order to fulfil my vision of the original and see it come to fruition I would have to join Al Qaeda.....I mean the Templars. There was no way I was going to do that, so I allied myself with Chad, traitorous bastard, belieiving this to be the best way.
Come the final act in Invisible War. Whatever you think of that game, if you truly loved Deus Ex you can't have helped but have been moved to be back on Liberty Island. Going through the decrepit ruins of UNATCO was particularly haunting for me. I felt like a ghost. I heard echoes in my own mind from the original; conversations, friendships forged and lost, the harrowing escape, watching Gunther explode ('I asked for lemon lime....it gave me orange'), and so forth.
Then wiping out the Templars was extremely satisfying.
But I was ultimately left with the most emotional experience I've had in gaming. I had to kill my 'big brother'. The bionic super being I'd created in the original, whose actions were pissed on by Ion Storm. The final face-off with him and Paul made me feel sick, but there was no way I was going to allow their vision for humanity come to pass. So, with this feckless half-wit Alex, who I had no affection for, I went on to kill JC, Paul and the greys....who were all goodness itself (whose goal I just couldn't subscribe to), to get the Illuminati ending.
Sure, if they made a sequel to IW it would likely use that ending (JC's doesn't seem doable), but it left my fabulous experience with the initial Deus Ex utterly degraded.
I will get HR but only to play it out. Regardless of how that one ends, ultimately it doesn't change the fact I killed JC. JC, the man who went against the ethos I'd given him (or maybe vice-versa). Kind of reminded me of the journey you went through with Ripley in Aliens, only for them to kill off her crew at the start of the third.
*spoilers*
In Deus Ex I made a point of staying loyal to Tracer Tong and Paul. I went for the Dark Age scenario. Obviously that was undone by having JC merged with Helios come Invisible War. But fair enough; I had the imagination to presume Helios re-routed its systems before the A-51 'incident' and somehow convinced JC to merge. This also meant JC had miraculously escaped to the surface.
So, as Alex D(enton), in order to fulfil my vision of the original and see it come to fruition I would have to join Al Qaeda.....I mean the Templars. There was no way I was going to do that, so I allied myself with Chad, traitorous bastard, belieiving this to be the best way.
Come the final act in Invisible War. Whatever you think of that game, if you truly loved Deus Ex you can't have helped but have been moved to be back on Liberty Island. Going through the decrepit ruins of UNATCO was particularly haunting for me. I felt like a ghost. I heard echoes in my own mind from the original; conversations, friendships forged and lost, the harrowing escape, watching Gunther explode ('I asked for lemon lime....it gave me orange'), and so forth.
Then wiping out the Templars was extremely satisfying.
But I was ultimately left with the most emotional experience I've had in gaming. I had to kill my 'big brother'. The bionic super being I'd created in the original, whose actions were pissed on by Ion Storm. The final face-off with him and Paul made me feel sick, but there was no way I was going to allow their vision for humanity come to pass. So, with this feckless half-wit Alex, who I had no affection for, I went on to kill JC, Paul and the greys....who were all goodness itself (whose goal I just couldn't subscribe to), to get the Illuminati ending.
Sure, if they made a sequel to IW it would likely use that ending (JC's doesn't seem doable), but it left my fabulous experience with the initial Deus Ex utterly degraded.
I will get HR but only to play it out. Regardless of how that one ends, ultimately it doesn't change the fact I killed JC. JC, the man who went against the ethos I'd given him (or maybe vice-versa). Kind of reminded me of the journey you went through with Ripley in Aliens, only for them to kill off her crew at the start of the third.
More enthusiastic than Yosharian, but have to say I agree with Yahtzee, but I've almost finished with it and its not like some games where I've been left agreeing after 1 hours gameplay (worst: GTA IV, never got past the girl friend mission). And then left, disgruntled, pessimistic and emotional. I must've spent more time angry at the MW series then playing it.
That said, I do love invisible bad guys, just wish there was more to them (like tracking them over an area, or level).
Had more issues with the first Deus Ex review tbh. Played it not long ago, and graphics aren't that big an issue (but I remember the first C&C, SimCity etc). Anyone who loves SS2 can't knock the Deus Ex/Thief graphics, controls, or physics.
That said, I do love invisible bad guys, just wish there was more to them (like tracking them over an area, or level).
Had more issues with the first Deus Ex review tbh. Played it not long ago, and graphics aren't that big an issue (but I remember the first C&C, SimCity etc). Anyone who loves SS2 can't knock the Deus Ex/Thief graphics, controls, or physics.
Loved this episode. For these reasons:
First - The game is too short and you can simply master everything if you wanted to.
Second - Hacking turrets etc to help in a boss fight? Genius, I was just too busy complaining about how crummy they were, not how to make it better. Looks like ill have to leave Yahtzee to do all my thinking for me.
Third - The ending was totally disappointing and the DLC comment - Gold.
And agreeing with most reviewers, I quite enjoyed the game despite its flaws
First - The game is too short and you can simply master everything if you wanted to.
Second - Hacking turrets etc to help in a boss fight? Genius, I was just too busy complaining about how crummy they were, not how to make it better. Looks like ill have to leave Yahtzee to do all my thinking for me.
Third - The ending was totally disappointing and the DLC comment - Gold.
And agreeing with most reviewers, I quite enjoyed the game despite its flaws
For those complaining about the bullet sponge bosses, there's easy ways to beat all of them, without shooting them at all.
First one: Just throw one of the gas cannisters lying around at him or shoot him with the stun gun, then while he's stumbling around throw explosive barrels at him. Give another stun gun zap or gas cannister when their effect wears off. Three to four barrels later, he's dead.
Second one: Stand next to one of the power generators, shoot it up until it turns red, wait for her to come at you, then sprint past her before she uses her typhoon and let her blow up the generator herself
Third one: If you've got the strength aug, hack the turret in the tunnel where you uploaded the virus, and carry it in with you.
Second one: Stand next to one of the power generators, shoot it up until it turns red, wait for her to come at you, then sprint past her before she uses her typhoon and let her blow up the generator herself
Third one: If you've got the strength aug, hack the turret in the tunnel where you uploaded the virus, and carry it in with you.
Thank you Ben - I won't be wasting my money on Deus Ex.
Another game with amazing promise with a titanic franchise behind and limitless potential to expand on that, and they make it into a 'guaranteed to sell' piece of generic shit.
Outstanding.
Another game with amazing promise with a titanic franchise behind and limitless potential to expand on that, and they make it into a 'guaranteed to sell' piece of generic shit.
Outstanding.
had a feeling that this will not be as awesome as pretty much every one claims. already the first game dint knock me over so i highly doubt this one will either. maybe i might get it when its cheaper but for now, i give it a miss.
Aww that sounds like they dropped the ball on what they were suppose to be good at.
Im a little disappointed
Im a little disappointed
One rocket does the trick, and you get the launcher pretty much right at the beginning of the game. In fact one rocket will pretty much win any boss fight for you, the homing missile upgrade makes the fight Easy Mode.Ryan Grilliot said:
Deus Ex (the original) could be beaten without ever fighting the main boss. Gunther can be beaten without a single shot fired, you discover the code for his killswitch through exploration.
I don't think Deus Ex games are about the boss fights, sure they are nice if done well, but otherwise Yahtzee is right, they are just a standard enemy with a bigger health bar.