Zero Punctuation: Deus Ex: Human Revolution
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*faceplam*Sansha said:
He. Did. Not. Say. It. Was. A. Bad. Game.
He actually liked it, if you paid attention. He just magnified all of the flaws like he ALWAYS does.
If your not going to buy it because a game like this isn't your type, thats fine. HOWEVER, if it sounded interesting then buy it, its a great game and you won't find an experience like it on the modern market. Sorry if I seem like a dick, but it is REALLY annoying to see people decide its a bad game because of a yatzhee review. Its his job to critique games and find flaws in them, so you really shouldn't be using his reviews to decide if your going to buy a game or not. Watch the escapist's review on the game if you want to make a decision.
OT: Great review, had me on the floor through most of it xD
DX:HR is much shorter than the original Deus Ex?
Christ, I was planning on playing the original Deus Ex. DX:HR took me about 30 hours to complete, and that's with me barely dying.
Christ, I was planning on playing the original Deus Ex. DX:HR took me about 30 hours to complete, and that's with me barely dying.
You know the way endings worked in Human Revolution is pretty much the same as in Deus Ex, right Yahtzee? Ok, good. Just checking.
30 hours is long? Oh right, by today's standards, I guess.Dr_Steve_Brule said:
Well, a game kind of wears out after all that time. There's only so much you can do with the mechanics to make them interesting.SL33TBL1ND said:
There aren't many games over the 35-40 hours that I liked until the very end. I don't like short singleplayer either though- Unless there's literally no way for you to develop the gameplay further, 7 hours of singleplayer is pathetic.
How long is the original Deus Ex exactly? From what I read about online it's about the Same as DX:HR.
Really? I usually sink like 60 or more in a good game.Dr_Steve_Brule said:
7 hours is indeed pathetic.
Depends how much of a dick you are and how much you explore.
I hear you, every time someone says he/she/it won't buy a game for a ZP episode, I feel sorry for the poor soul that cries for freedom of choice inside them. I mean, he's usually right about most things he says, but whatever he says, if someone likes a game, what he says is irrelevant. You don't need ZP to know Kane & Lynch 2 sucks, or SR2 is mindless fun; I understand people who agreed on what he thinks, but submitting your choice to what you think he says is... well, something I might get warned for if I say so, so let's leave it like that.Nicolairigel said:
Hell, I laughed at the Saboteur review, and even when I agreed with all the criticism, I still love that game. Back to Kane & Lynch 2, I didn't liked the 2nd, but I sort of liked the first, enough to go through the full game, which is more than I can say for its sequel.
I also enjoyed Metroid Other M, flaws and everything, it was an ok game for me, not the best of the saga, but not all that bad either, and yet, I enjoyed ZP's episodes of Other M and Top and Bottom 5.
Anyways, I didn't mean to bash everywhere with my rant, my bad...
From what i've read on forums so far, people took about 27-35 hours to complete DX:HR on the first playthrough.Vault101 said:
The game starts off great, a worthy successor to Deus Ex but gradually it starts falling apart. It's still miles ahead of most games out there, and maybe except Portal 2 it's without a doubt the best game out this year, but it's very clear that the budget was running out long before they intended it to. Frankly the ending was just crap and up untill the very last button phase I was " I'm not worried, the game can't end here, there are still so many loose end to tie up, I'm sure there's plenty left to...oh... It's over. Crap" Even the final choices for the ending seemed McWeaksauce compared to the original game.
As for the bossfights. I. FUCKING. HATED. THE. BOSSFIGHTS. I started playing on the hardest difficulty, and I never found the game particularly challenging, but the fucking boss fights are just fucked up. Period. Exercises in quick-loading frustration. Oh, and if you're going to make the pistol "Ignore armor and dermal plating", have it FUCKING IGNORE ARMOR AND DERMAL PLATING. What are the bosses made of, adamantium??
As for the bossfights. I. FUCKING. HATED. THE. BOSSFIGHTS. I started playing on the hardest difficulty, and I never found the game particularly challenging, but the fucking boss fights are just fucked up. Period. Exercises in quick-loading frustration. Oh, and if you're going to make the pistol "Ignore armor and dermal plating", have it FUCKING IGNORE ARMOR AND DERMAL PLATING. What are the bosses made of, adamantium??
About right for most players, from what I've seen and from friends I've spoken with on Steam. I personally took about 42 hours - but, I spent a lot of time exploring all the nooks and crannies of the maps, studying patrols to determine best course of action to take, listening to NPC conversations and speaking with NPCs, and all that other good nonsense. I think it'll depend more on someone's play style, and the difficulty they choose.Dr_Steve_Brule said:
But, to be fair, towards the end of the game, it does start feeling like a cake-walk due to your augs and weapon upgrades. NPC enemies don't really become too much more difficult, should you decide to go with an assault route; and if stealth is your thing, the augs available make it way too easy for those experienced in stealth tactics (i.e. die-hard fans of Thief, Splinter Cell, etc.).
I can't complain, though - HR is one of the first AAA titles I've actually been really happy with. Sure, it has it's flaws (which, it seems the PC community is being the nit-pickest about); but the attention to detail the devs put in is astounding. Besides, it's not everyday we're gifted with a game that lasts longer than 15 hours . . . let alone 30; and I'm sure people will miss a lot the first time through, offering some decent replayability. I started a second go, and even after my 40+hr experience, I'm running into things I missed the first time through.
I never have, and probably never will.
I never have. As I said, he gave RDR and Mass Effect fairly mediocre reviews, and those are two of my favourite games post- Shadow of the Colossus.I may try out the original Deus Ex at some point, just to give it a fair trial. I do worry about it a bit though, since the last old game that I tried which was supposedly one of the best games ever was Half Life 2, and I was not impressed.jmarquiso said:
The trick with old games is to pay attention to the gameplay. They're usually more difficult as gaming has become more streamlined (hit x to do everything) as time went on. There's a reason the hardest difficulty is "Give me Deus Ex". When I was a kid I would have spent more time with Deus Ex, but I was in college in 1999-2000 when it came out. I enjoyed it immensely, but it was incredibly difficult as I was also overwhelmed with choice in how you handle a level. I much preferred "Thief", as the objectives were clearer.Random berk said:
If you pay attention to Yahtzee's criticism of both RDR and Mass Effect, it was a valid gameplay point. You give the player a lot of creative license in how they play, but in ways that allow them to play inconsistently with the railroaded story. I.e., John Marsden is a badass, but he's busy picking flowers. Or Mass Effect where Shepard will get angry at looters, and then proceeds to loot the same houses. He finds character consistency important, especially player character consistency.
That said, Mass Effect 2 was my favorite game last year. Deus Ex: Human Revolution is tied for my favorite this year, but lets wait until I get to the end. Yahtzee loved games like Infamous and Just Cause 2 because they fit the "Open World" design better, and character was consistent with gameplay. Motivation for Rico Rodriguez in Just Cause 2 is to cause chaos to destablize the region while getting in good as a mercenary for all factions in the game (Fistful of Dollars/Yojimbo style).
In the case of DX:HR, Yahtzee's criticisms are valid, but it's still a really good game. I thought he'd focus on cutscenes and knee-high cover, as he always does, but he gave those a pass. Instead he focused on the boss battles, which is definitely a concern. However, in listening to other reviewers discuss the game, it's interesting that they had varied approaches to the boss battles, but still felt railroaded into locked doors. His other valid criticism is that Boss Battles are final exams - culminations of what you've learned so far. So if you spend all your time sneaking undetected, then by rights you should be able to hide from the boss until you could pull off whatever you need to pull off to deal with them (it should be noted that every boss apparently has an environment kill, which I didn't find myself).
So, while I agree with his review, I definitely like this game a lot, even as a fan of the original.
If you'd try out the original Deus Ex, do. Pick it up on a Gamersgate or Steam sale. It'll be cheap, and worth the attempt to at least TRY it.
Awesome review! I couldn't agree more, the Endotron was a huge dissapointment after such a great story.