Zero Punctuation: Eve Online
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Why would you lie about that intentionally ?GatheredMyst post=6.70442.704124 said:
Or, if you heard it from somebody else, why didn't you bother checking for veridicity first ?
Please show me an even remotely believable source that can confirm your claims.
Like, you know, an official statement from CCP, or a forum thread where people complain about that change (there's always eve-search.com in case it got deleted by the mods, they're not instantly there to "censor" anything, and why the hell would they censor that?)
The only time it EVER costs 20 is when you activate the account for the very first time (i.e. trial->full or just creating a full account directly).
If you pay with a NORMAL credit/debit card from a NORMAL bank, it still costs the equivalent of 15 USD (for non-EU countries) to reactivate a lapsed account for one month... not 20, not 35, just 15... if your BANK is being a jackass, then you may get some additional "international charges" or other creepy fees, but CCP doesn't charge anything extra for reactivation.
That's the same with all MMOs.Arkracer post=6.70442.705968 said:
Also, while being able to train while idle is an interesting concept that I glomp,,
If you tell how you played the game and you review it based on how you played your review can not be flawed for not covering things you've already said you didn't expierience. and for 3, that doesn't prove yahtzee wrong , that proves the combat system is complex.
P.S. Not only that, but people who had their longer-term PAID account expire a couple of months before any of the major expansions (which are free, by the way, and are released twice a year lately) usually get an email for a no-strings-attached FREE 14-day reactivation.
P.P.S. Hell, if you're a really nasty and profiteering kind of guy, you can pay 30 bucks a year and get 3 full months of regular training PLUS 4 long skills trained in the breaks (which can easily amount up to 6 months of actual training), and that each and every year... so you can end up paying 30 bucks for 9 months of skill training and 3 months of gameplay.
P.P.P.S. In retrospect, I actually wish they WOULD do that (what you just accused them of allegedly doing).
P.P.S. Hell, if you're a really nasty and profiteering kind of guy, you can pay 30 bucks a year and get 3 full months of regular training PLUS 4 long skills trained in the breaks (which can easily amount up to 6 months of actual training), and that each and every year... so you can end up paying 30 bucks for 9 months of skill training and 3 months of gameplay.
P.P.P.S. In retrospect, I actually wish they WOULD do that (what you just accused them of allegedly doing).
I know this has probably been sad thousands of times by now, but I miss when Yahtzee used different music for his intros and outros. Part of the fun was seeing what he would choose to add an additional joke or comment to the video (example: brilliantly putting Ebony and Ivory in the ending for the Uncharted review). Was this Yahtzee's choice or The Escapist's? Either way I don't care for it.
Best. Review. Yet.
I recently had someone try to beat me upside the head with how great Eve was, once you got past the days and days it took to learn what the stuff on your screen was. I bought Tabula Rasa instead. Judging by the amount of venom each game recieved i have made the right call.
I recently had someone try to beat me upside the head with how great Eve was, once you got past the days and days it took to learn what the stuff on your screen was. I bought Tabula Rasa instead. Judging by the amount of venom each game recieved i have made the right call.
finally he reviews my favorite game.... too bad he only played a trial acc... Maybe if he played for a bit longer he could of had more fun, seen more of the galaxy and had tougher missions... anyway EvE is not for mission running (at least not for me), it's for PvP hunting... 
Let me preface this by saying I don't play EVE. I have played it in the past, but I find I no longer have the time and dedication to get the most out of it. That being said...
What an idiotic review.
Biased. Uninformed. Unimaginative.
In EVE player vs player interaction and combat IS the game, and the mining/bot-killing/mission running is in essence the punishment for getting blown up and having to outfit another ship.
"oh gosh how droll. I'm paying to be punished, how boring hurhurhur!".
That's the point of risk vs reward. If everything is just handed to you, and you lose nothing for failing except the time it took to fail, that means the whole game is boring (hi Warcraft!). Yes there are boring bits in EVE, but there are also pulse pounding passages of play where you pit your knowledge of the game mechanics and skill at ship design vs your opponents, with the winner picking over the burning wreaks to net what might be 100s of man hours worth of loot, while the loser licks his wounds and decides it might be time to log for a night or maybe a week.
Lets not even start talking about the massive fleet battles where ships and installations that took the resources of 100s of players to build are destroyed, and whole resource-rich star systems change hands.
EVE isn't the Mecca of gaming. It is a niche product whose vertical learning curve and brutal PvP will alienate 90% of new players. Never-the-less it is a game of dark depths, and for those drawn to a space-opera theme who have the patience to get beyond the starting bewilderment (which can last several months), it delivers something unique - a palpable sense of danger in a virtual world.
I'm not saying you should have kissed it's arse because it advertises here Yahtzee, but you could have at least tried to make an effort to understand what you were talking about, or failing that included a caveat to the effect that your opinions on the entire game were equivalent to someone getting as far as learning to move a pawn and thus deciding that chess is simple and boring.
What an idiotic review.
Biased. Uninformed. Unimaginative.
In EVE player vs player interaction and combat IS the game, and the mining/bot-killing/mission running is in essence the punishment for getting blown up and having to outfit another ship.
"oh gosh how droll. I'm paying to be punished, how boring hurhurhur!".
That's the point of risk vs reward. If everything is just handed to you, and you lose nothing for failing except the time it took to fail, that means the whole game is boring (hi Warcraft!). Yes there are boring bits in EVE, but there are also pulse pounding passages of play where you pit your knowledge of the game mechanics and skill at ship design vs your opponents, with the winner picking over the burning wreaks to net what might be 100s of man hours worth of loot, while the loser licks his wounds and decides it might be time to log for a night or maybe a week.
Lets not even start talking about the massive fleet battles where ships and installations that took the resources of 100s of players to build are destroyed, and whole resource-rich star systems change hands.
EVE isn't the Mecca of gaming. It is a niche product whose vertical learning curve and brutal PvP will alienate 90% of new players. Never-the-less it is a game of dark depths, and for those drawn to a space-opera theme who have the patience to get beyond the starting bewilderment (which can last several months), it delivers something unique - a palpable sense of danger in a virtual world.
I'm not saying you should have kissed it's arse because it advertises here Yahtzee, but you could have at least tried to make an effort to understand what you were talking about, or failing that included a caveat to the effect that your opinions on the entire game were equivalent to someone getting as far as learning to move a pawn and thus deciding that chess is simple and boring.
laughed tons through that more than once, although ive been playing for near 2 years and love it to pieces personally. im inclined to start wearing shoes on my head. it definitely takes a special person to play the game, memory and alot of actual learning and effort are in fact required to wrap your head around it. (FYI signature analysis and focusing have to do with a ships radar detection and weapon accuracy.)
What reason do I have to lie? Last I went to reactivate my account so that I could give it another shot, there was a twenty dollar charge, instead of a 15 dollar one.Tibike77 post=6.70442.707021 said:
Honestly, I think CCP is good in doing it because MMO's have always paid the bills with their subscriptions and EVE Is no exception to the rule. With the ability to train offline, an extra added incentive in the form of "You have to pay a little extra to reactivate" will stop the people just looking to train skills while repeatedly canceling. But for folks like me? It was just a little incentive to play other games that float my boat better.
I think this explains why he didn't like the game after only playing for 2 weeks:
http://upload.0x1011.org/files/LearningCurve.jpg
I can completely understand about the game that doesn't want to be played but the training system is rather useful for when you want to take a break. You can still come back and not find all your friends are now level 70 or in zones you can't reach because you're not a high enough level. Anybody can join in on just about anything in eve after a few weeks the main issue I would say is that eve doesn't make that easy and mistakes are rewarded with losing, well everything.
What I tend to find in eve however is a massie number of people who refuse to learn. You tell them smething and they go do it their way and die again anyway then complain it's not possible...
My main thing is, did Yahtzee get involved with the pvp in the game (if he did I suspect he died horribly) but thats really where the game is at.
http://upload.0x1011.org/files/LearningCurve.jpg
I can completely understand about the game that doesn't want to be played but the training system is rather useful for when you want to take a break. You can still come back and not find all your friends are now level 70 or in zones you can't reach because you're not a high enough level. Anybody can join in on just about anything in eve after a few weeks the main issue I would say is that eve doesn't make that easy and mistakes are rewarded with losing, well everything.
What I tend to find in eve however is a massie number of people who refuse to learn. You tell them smething and they go do it their way and die again anyway then complain it's not possible...
My main thing is, did Yahtzee get involved with the pvp in the game (if he did I suspect he died horribly) but thats really where the game is at.
I gotta say, it's amusing to see how many people still think Yahtzee tries to be fair in his reviews and think they are a good source of information or a good metric to base their game playing decisions on.
These things are entertainment, not news. You should view them as such. And this one was definitely one of his best.
Yahtzee himself said he uses his traffic figures to measure his worth as a human being what gets more traffic, patiently reviewing a game in a complete fashion or ripping to shreds whatever you can? WTB grain of salt and MOAR RIPPING PLZ
These things are entertainment, not news. You should view them as such. And this one was definitely one of his best.
Yahtzee himself said he uses his traffic figures to measure his worth as a human being
what gets more traffic, patiently reviewing a game in a complete fashion or ripping to shreds whatever you can? WTB grain of salt and MOAR RIPPING PLZFrankly a blunt review. So blunt he missed out on the best part of the game, which is good, quality pvp, which you will only get in a player corporation or possibly, factional warfare now.
eve is more about meta-gaming the other aspects
eve does need to drastically improve the single player experience however...
eve is more about meta-gaming the other aspects
eve does need to drastically improve the single player experience however...
[sarcasm]Jack Forge post=6.70442.708834 said:
Mmm. Love me some meta-gaming. I just love to be the munchkin when i play DnD and the guy with a damage per shot chart for every body part i can hit when i play counter-strike.
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PvP eh? I want PvP i play Halo or TF2 or something like that.
Any game that requires that kind of dedication to be played is automatically flawed. I probably have enough time to play eve(or I will after I finish watching soul eater) and probably can learn everything you need to know within 20 minutes.Phandaal post=6.70442.707661 said:
All reviews are biased and that makes you uninformed unless you're the kind of player who likes every aspect of the game you're playing.
Than you think they could make the combat better. Any game in which you control 1 character and is basically one click-combat can not be a good game. And as boring as yahtzee made the game sound, I am a boring person and would most likely have this game if it wasn't for the implied crappy one click style combat and the fact I have no money.
see, I love that concept but it is absolutely impossible for me to enjoy one click combat. Which to me seems to be one half of what yahtzee seems to seriously say he hates about this game other than "too complex" and "unintuitive interface" and I don't care about either.
See, awesome.
Guess what, Yahtzee played this game as the everyman.
If you take more than a day to learn how to move the pawn either Chess sucks or you're a retard.
This is the first time that I actally 100% agree with everything you said.
I like (some) mmos and I tried EVE way back when, and I was bored stiff. I am a very casual mmorpg-player, but there was actually NOTHING about that game even remotly interesting..
I like (some) mmos and I tried EVE way back when, and I was bored stiff. I am a very casual mmorpg-player, but there was actually NOTHING about that game even remotly interesting..
I agree with Yahtzee. I tried it for one month. The game has more monotony and red tape than the Capitol Building.