Zero Punctuation: Gears of War 3

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Macrobstar said:
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SnakeoilSage said:
Alright! Gears of War 3, finally! I'm so psyched. This means the series is over now and we can go back to innovating shooters instead of dragging them through the mud, right?
It's not Gears fault that a bunch of shooters copied it instead of doing their own thing, as much as it wasn't Halo or COD's faults either. Gears was quite innovative when it came out, which is why other shooters ( Army of Two, Uncharted) copied gameplay mechanics from it to begin with.
How is uncharted similar to gears? The majority of he game is spent platforming and puzzling
The majority of Uncharted 2 was spent shooting in elaborate set
pieces. The platforming aspect was laughable compared to other games it held your hand and the puzzle aspects were as well compared to the likes of Tomb Raider. The cover mechanics of UC2 were very Gears esque. It's funny how people always compare UC with Tomb Raider when it's much closer to Gears gameplay wise.
 

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It's an awesome game, but there is no real reason for the characters to be so huge, although I guess the armour accounts for some of that.
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I almost cared when Dom died, but I haven't played much gears previously and I got distracted by the huge explosion, slow mo and music. Marcus was really bad at grief, he just sounded the same

ColdStorage~ I Spoilered the comment, so you don't have to!
 

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This review really rubs me the wrong way, I imagine some people around here will call me a fanboy but the definition of fanboy on Zero Punctuation seems to be a person that likes whatever Yahtzee hates, you know, that very limited and enclosed circle of genre and quality so strict that a game needs to be practically perfect or a total revolution just to be mentioned. Yahtzee seems to have a tendency to only talk about a game's problems when he reviews, and it can get a little weird to hear him bash a game for 4 minutes just to have him wrap up with how good it is. The thing is, I'm also a Halo fan and I took his Reach and Halo 3 reviews in good light, but for some reason I just felt sick while watching this. Admittedly I can look over most of it because it's Yahtzee's style, the usual, dull and repetitive and chest high wall jokes and the characters with no personality I can forget that I disagree with them and laugh at it. A couple of things bugged me about this review, first of all was the usual brown complaint, ignoring the fact that brown what I would expect from a planet like Sera, the game takes you to several colorful areas that all felt unique, the last act taking place in a massive and gorgeous hotel. Secondly, he mentioned that the world was going to blow up...when did it mention that? All I got was that it was going down the crapper and the Lambent were taking over, but the planet itself would be intact. Third, I actually felt that the plot was well written, we get some emotional moments from Cole in the beginning that actually made me feel really sorry for him, knowing what he had lost and knowing that he would never get it back, not to mention I always knew what I was trying to accomplish. And as someone who only ever skimmed plot summaries of the novels, I had a fair grasp about what was going on. Fourth, Yahtzee said that Gears 2 didn't leave any impact on him and he couldn't remember what it was about. He mentioned that he has to play a game, think of jokes for it, write a script, put together a video and post it all in one week while squeezing that around the rest of his life. It doesn't sound like he has the time to sit back and drink in the finer parts of a game, and to be frank I doubt he remember much of the hundreds upon hundreds of games that he has played. Personally I remember what happened in Gears of War 2 very clearly and I haven't played it in months, but since it was a covered based shooter, I get the feeling Yahtzee wasn't even trying to enjoy it, just get it over with.

All these can be overlooked though, but what really put the nail in the coffin and got me angry was how he more or less said that Dom's death was forgetful and rather pointless. This was also coupled together with how he mentioned earlier that the idea of Marcus doing drama was laughable, when Marcus' reaction coupled with the death felt like a punch to the stomach and made me tear up. As for why it was necessary, when I was playing it, on normal, Lambent, Locust and Formers were coming at me from all sides and I was on the brink of death the entire fight and running low on ammo...on normal. I seriously doubt that they would've just let us climb in the truck, even if we did manage to all cram into it. Mad World playing over it softly made nearly it impossible to not cry. To me that was the saddest part of the game and Yahtzee just brushed over it, so I think I reserve the right to be a little mad. If he ever reads this (I know he probably won't) and anyone else that reads it will probably think that I'm a GOW fanboy when in reality I'm actually a casual fan and I've never read a single comic or book based on the series and have only played GOW 2 and GOW 3. Keep this in mind when I think that Gears of War 3 was one of the best games of this year.
 

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And yes, it is an act. Let's face that fact. No one who complains about games to this extent can also say that he likes them as an art form.
Nitpicking is not complaining, you can still like something and complain about it, here watch, saints row 2's graphics are shit, but its my favourite game ever, crazy right?
As for gears 3, some people just don't like this kind of thing, the reason these games get a positive reception is that people who review them are fans of the genre, Yahtzee has to review games from genres he's not a fan of so how do you expect him to be positive?
 

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sravankb said:
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"If I had said that the plot was good, none of you would say that it doesn't matter"

I cannot be the only one who thinks this was a stupid fucking argument. How does it make sense?

If the plot was good, then we would say that it matters, dumbass. No one would say that it doesn't. The only difference being that people would say that the plot and the gameplay were great.

They're not mutually exclusive, dude. Man, I could've sworn Yahtzee was smarter than this, but oh well.
No gears fans say the plot doesn't matter but if he said the plot was good they wouldn't be saying that, simple yeh?
If the plot was good, they wouldn't say that it doesn't matter. They would be saying it's good.

Simple, yeah? Read my post again.
Thats the point, the fans are being hypocritical, "gears plot doesn't matter its all about the gameplay, oh wait the plot is good? then hell yeh it matters"
 

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JSRT said:
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JSRT said:
SnakeoilSage said:
Alright! Gears of War 3, finally! I'm so psyched. This means the series is over now and we can go back to innovating shooters instead of dragging them through the mud, right?
It's not Gears fault that a bunch of shooters copied it instead of doing their own thing, as much as it wasn't Halo or COD's faults either. Gears was quite innovative when it came out, which is why other shooters ( Army of Two, Uncharted) copied gameplay mechanics from it to begin with.
How is uncharted similar to gears? The majority of he game is spent platforming and puzzling
The majority of Uncharted 2 was spent shooting in elaborate set
pieces. The platforming aspect was laughable compared to other games it held your hand and the puzzle aspects were as well compared to the likes of Tomb Raider. The cover mechanics of UC2 were very Gears esque. It's funny how people always compare UC with Tomb Raider when it's much closer to Gears gameplay wise.
Well thats where we disagree, uncharted is far less combat focused then gears
Opinions ay?
 

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I think that Yahtzee was pretty unfair in this review. He could've talked about the gameplay more. But really, he just doesn't get it: These are stereotypical hero marines out doing the work of our great country. No matter what happens, you can always count on us good-ol'-boys to save the day. Also, the voice acting was quite excellent, full of a lot of emotion, for marine heroes. Characterized through the novels as... as...

No no, nevermind, I've not played a single one of those games... nor read any of the books. I think they're macho power fantasies built into bland first-person-shooters. Although, I'd like to bring up that the pretentiousness of THIS series at the third of the trilogy seems to be MORE than Halo's.
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Also, Yahtzee sounded annoyed already... I don't think he's going to make it through the FPS season...
 

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You could harp on the story all you want, the FACT of the matter is gameplay wise Gears is a cut above 90% of the shooters out now. Most TPS this gen including the all mighty sacred cow, Uncharted 2 copies mechanics that Gears of War perfected. It was as influential to shooters this gen as Halo was last gen. This is fact....
Vanquish did it better.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
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How far did you get into Gears 2, just out of interest? And did you play in on your console or at a friends? Just curious, is all.
Truth be told, I played maybe 3 chapters at my friend's house on a console in Gears of War 2 (on the back of a tank or something, shooting down other tanks sliding down a hill). Another chapter was that.. um, one terrible scene where that guy had to *SPOILER* shoot his wife. I was sad and stopped playing at that moment.

Only seen a bit of Gears of War 3.. .when they're fighting tentacles and just random locus creatures. Probably not enough to entirely confirm Gears of War 3 to be more brown, but I got the impression after watching a bit. So my bad if otherwise.
Ah, so you got about half way in then, fair enough. Ignore me, then.

But as for Gears 3 being more brown, I have no idea if it is or not but I've seen a few screens that are full of colour and brown too. Which, to be honest, is what I'd expect from a game based in a universe that's going to shit.
 

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I like Gears. I want games to be good with story and plot, and I guess Gears 3 disappointed my hopes but I wasn't exactly expecting Half-Life 2 levels of subtle exposition. I bought Gears because I thought it was going to be fun, and it is. I feel that Gears fills in the much needed quota of manly that I'm missing from games nowadays. Most of the other games in my collection are about normal people using their wits to get by enemies.

I prefer the multiplayer to something like Modern Warfare, where someone is automatically better than me because they figured out the best weapon combo.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
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Ah, so you got about half way in then, fair enough. Ignore me, then.

But as for Gears 3 being more brown, I have no idea if it is or not but I've seen a few screens that are full of colour and brown too. Which, to be honest, is what I'd expect from a game based in a universe that's going to shit.
I'd never ignore you- that's just rude! (lol).

True true. I should of said that in most maps, it's mostly brown and I should of looked deeper into the game itself for the colorization if presented at any point. Then again, a world that's going to blow up and everyone's being beyond reasonably tough- it's hard to get attached to any of the characters or the story... otherwise I would of continued playing the series.
You do know that the majority of the last act takes place on and around a shinning bright five star hotel right? Yes I have played and beaten the game...twice.
 

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Something something something Negative VanDread comment
Hey! Vandread was awesome! You're a terrible person for not enjoying it!
You're right! Aside from the fact that there wasn't a single intelligent character and that the leader of the pirate crew was highly ineffective and the plot was complete bullshit, it was awesome!

Oh wait... no. It was poorly written and intensely annoying. Hell, i think Gears of War was better written.
 

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sravankb said:
Sassafrass said:
Caramel Frappe said:
Sassafrass said:
How far did you get into Gears 2, just out of interest? And did you play in on your console or at a friends? Just curious, is all.
Truth be told, I played maybe 3 chapters at my friend's house on a console in Gears of War 2 (on the back of a tank or something, shooting down other tanks sliding down a hill). Another chapter was that.. um, one terrible scene where that guy had to *SPOILER* shoot his wife. I was sad and stopped playing at that moment.

Only seen a bit of Gears of War 3.. .when they're fighting tentacles and just random locus creatures. Probably not enough to entirely confirm Gears of War 3 to be more brown, but I got the impression after watching a bit. So my bad if otherwise.
Ah, so you got about half way in then, fair enough. Ignore me, then.

But as for Gears 3 being more brown, I have no idea if it is or not but I've seen a few screens that are full of colour and brown too. Which, to be honest, is what I'd expect from a game based in a universe that's going to shit.
You know what I find funny? People on the Escapist complain constantly about "brown shooters" but don't have a problem with Fallout 3's visuals, which is nothing but brown and grey, with the addition of shit textures.
It begs the question what is wrong with brown? Are people saying they want a game where everything is hot pink? Personally I think brown and gray environments work for a game, giving it a dark edge.
 

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sravankb said:
1. The planet's gonna "explode". Don't know where he got that from.

2. "Were the lambent introduced in the earlier games?" Yes, all the way back in Gears 1.

3. "Was Anya there in the games before this one?" Again, back in GoW1.



Yup, he's definitely qualified to criticize the story aspect of the game (of all the fucking things to talk about in a Gears game).

Mind you, I did like Yahtzee's earlier reviews, where he actually knew what he's talking about, but his constant negativity is just getting stale at this point. His act of not liking anything is just plain boring now.

And yes, it is an act. Let's face that fact. No one who complains about games to this extent can also say that he likes them as an art form.
Spot on. You don't remember the story of the game? They actually have an option thing to catch you up. Anya was a little confusing at first because she had a different hairstyle, but not being able to remember? I've only played gears co-op on a friends copy and I remember that. He should have commented on how they had designer hair styles while the world was going to shit, that would have made more sense.

I never even understood world exploding, when did they mention that? They only mentioned that the lambent were taking over, that's it. Complaining that you don't remember the story from the older games isn't the games fault, that's yours. I still remember the basic story of most of the games that i've played, even terrible ones like viking (well, up until I stopped playing it due to boredom).

Aside from that, spot of with the rest of the critique, gears has some problems that actually were made fun of quite well here, it was just the earlier stuff had me going "what, what, did you actually play the game?".
 

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Great review, and damn funny. I loved that last bit: "yup, this as to go, need to make room for an extendange of the cleavage department".
 

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Mutak said:
Speaking of using meta-game knowledge to deduce plot points...didn't everyone who played Deus Ex intuitively know that Adam's ex was still alive as soon as they saw that there were no romance-ish dialogue options with the pilot?
Yes, I did. Too bad, I liked Malik. She was fun ... and hot ... I never asked for this already established girlfriend!
 

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major_chaos said:
why am I less than amazed that he likes that steaming turd Hard Reset just because its "retro"
also I don't think its fair to completely dismiss and ignore a games story and then say that the story is bad, also the game has sold very well for "a relic". but anyway funny video even if I disagree that's the magic of ZP
Um...He likes Hard reset because it reminds him of a game he liked( Painkiller), Not because it's retro.Also, since when has Yahtzee ever remained consistent.