Zero Punctuation: Metal Gear Solid 4
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Very well said! I can't wait until Final Fantasy XIII comes out (if he can stifle his vomit long enough to review another JRPG I likemspencer82 said:
) to see what he says about that and the upheaval it's likely to cause. This is a little like arguing religion though. I don't think anyone will change their minds about Metal Gear Solid 4.Come on, he was assigned to criticize MGS4, so he had to. That's the job. But if he did this review with his sincere point of view, then yes, he would be an hypocrite.TerraMGP said:
To quote Wikipedia:
Patience:
Patience (ˈpâ-shənz) is the state of endurance under difficult circumstances.
I don't dislike Metal Gear Solid 4; I've never played it for a start, but the "You just need patience" argument is stupid. It's similar to 'having to entertain yourself while playing Super Paper Mario.'
Patience:
Patience (ˈpâ-shənz) is the state of endurance under difficult circumstances.
I don't dislike Metal Gear Solid 4; I've never played it for a start, but the "You just need patience" argument is stupid. It's similar to 'having to entertain yourself while playing Super Paper Mario.'
I"m not trying to change the minds of others about the game, though I do think people just have a really odd mindset. I also think thats why people can't get into a good Jrpg, because they see him say he does not like it or because they can't just enjoy the story for itself.
Frankly though thats not my point here. My point is that he USED to just give an unbiased everyman opinion, and I can't say he is doing that anymore. I once again state that if he had not produced the Chzo series I may not feel the same, but he did and he loves adventure games and we know that the man is the British Hideo so really he is either a hypocrite or resorting to the lowest common denominator to attract people who fancy themselves indy because they don't like a 'mainstream' game.
And his job is not to bash, if he is being pressured to bash, well then he is a sell out for not telling them no. He used to give a sincere view of things with some cynicism and satire piled on after.
Patience 2. an ability or willingness to suppress restlessness or annoyance when confronted with delay: to have patience with a slow learne
THAT is the defenition I am referring to.
Frankly though thats not my point here. My point is that he USED to just give an unbiased everyman opinion, and I can't say he is doing that anymore. I once again state that if he had not produced the Chzo series I may not feel the same, but he did and he loves adventure games and we know that the man is the British Hideo so really he is either a hypocrite or resorting to the lowest common denominator to attract people who fancy themselves indy because they don't like a 'mainstream' game.
And his job is not to bash, if he is being pressured to bash, well then he is a sell out for not telling them no. He used to give a sincere view of things with some cynicism and satire piled on after.
Patience 2. an ability or willingness to suppress restlessness or annoyance when confronted with delay: to have patience with a slow learne
THAT is the defenition I am referring to.
I dunno, I still have to disagree with you. I don't see a clear deviation from the way that Yahtzee normally does things. Even games that he freaking LIKES get eviscerated and their innards poked at before he grudgingly awards them a slight honor. Is it so hard to believe that he honestly didn't care for Metal Gear Solid 4? It was much like his review of The World Ends With You: charmingly scathing with the concession that fans of such things will enjoy the game.
For the record I will say that he was right about the shooting elements not quite coming together (Which while expected still makes me sad.) I didn't really enjoy this review as much as the others mainly because he sort of stated the obvious and then claimed that a core mechanic was somehow overpowered when I can speak from experience when I say this is not the case. For example his review of Heavenly Sword a while back was dead on and I laughed alot and I love the game. Yahtzee is at his most humorous when his critcisms of a game do not stem from ignorance of how the game works. Frankly I don't think the shooting controls are all that good even when you realize that you can set first person view in the options or just press triangle. I wish they had put more work into that aspect and maybe fix the nearly useless autoaim.
I am also glad that he did say tha one should play the other games first to see if you like them before playing four.
I am also glad that he did say tha one should play the other games first to see if you like them before playing four.
And that's the point where I stopped paying attention, because it showed that the rest could only be yet another repetition of, "he's funny when I agree with him but grrr-yip-yip-snarl-Kojima-san-bark-yip-deep-series-yip-yip-yip."TerraMGP said:
Sheesh.
-- Steve
It wasn't charming, it was the man doing what he does more and more now, and thats skipping over the good points or small things he likes or even just giving some level of unbiased overview and bashing the game over the head with a stick because its what people wants to see. He has given up on any sort of whit and just kind of decided the fans want blood.
As for the comment I was joking, well half joking the HALO games are still a crime against nature but quite frankly thats not the point. I would have been fine with his review had ne not just kept going for blood because thats what people expect. He can rip apart the games I like all he wants just do it the way he used to and not bashing them because it makes the indy people go yay, and especially don't throw stones for sins one is more than a little guilty of himself.
As for the comment I was joking, well half joking the HALO games are still a crime against nature but quite frankly thats not the point. I would have been fine with his review had ne not just kept going for blood because thats what people expect. He can rip apart the games I like all he wants just do it the way he used to and not bashing them because it makes the indy people go yay, and especially don't throw stones for sins one is more than a little guilty of himself.
Man I totally know where you're comming from. But let it go, the Yahtzee fans will not understand because they don't want to and they will find impossible ways to rebut anything you say that goes against Yahtzee's opinion. Say what you need to say, leave it like that and let the masses interpret it as they please, obviously some of us may look into what you said with insight (even if they don't agree), but the rest will view you as no more than a Yahtzee hater.TerraMGP said:
When did Yahtzee ever give unbiased opinions? All reviews are biased. Most professional reviewers try to disregard this and weigh the games pros and cons. Yahtzee really doesn't. He points out the games flaws for laughs then tells you what he thinks of the game. I find it sort of refreshing to see a review that doesn't pull punches on things like the cutscene length. Most of the reviews for MGS4 tend to brush these things aside, so it's nice to finally see someone spotlight them.TerraMGP said:
If you say so Terra, but I might add that a sense of humor could help you appreciate it. I don't care what is insisted, he had good points that even fans have agreed with him on, and some that they did not. Still, gotta thank you for not reducing yourself to flaming in a debate. Rare on the internet. I don't truly believe Yahtzee is selling out in his reviews. I challenge you to find a review that doesn't really rip on the game he's looking at- that's how it's been from the start. I just don't think that Metal Gear Solid 4 was his sort of game.
Wasn't the Brawl thread ten trillion times worse than this one? Granted it was also funnier but that is besides the point.mspencer82 said:Fans of certain games are just overwhelming stubborn and won't admit there's anything wrong with their Holy Grail. Fans of Metal Gear, Halo, Half-Life, Final Fantasy, and Nintendo in general come to mind. Speaking of Final Fantasy, you're right, if Yahtzee reviews FFXIII there is going to be a shit storm. Probably not the size the Brawl review generated, but pretty close.Magugag said:Very well said! I can't wait until Final Fantasy XIII comes out (if he can stifle his vomit long enough to review another JRPG I like
I couldn't help but notice that a lot of things he complained about were fixable from too many cutscenes (skip them) to the infinite trank gun and week enemies (stop playing on the easiest difficulty you wanker) then proceeded to skip over all the really awesome elements of the game (because that would spoil it so, OK) and then ran a Ninja Gaiden add... well it was still funny... but I have to say that this game is as good as you make it and when I played it, it was F*CKING AWESOME!! So anybody out there who has competent gaming skills should check it out...
Actually, I think if Yahtzee reviews FFXIII and doesn't completely shit all over it, trumpets will sound and Horsemen will start spreading famine, pestilence and used panties.mspencer82 said:
He is definitely right about the controls, however. I'll never know how Big Boss/Solid Snake managed to be considered "the greatest soldier alive" when it takes an extra appendage and a trigonometry degree to work the aiming mechanisms properly.
Again... have you played the Chzo games? its freaking hypocritical. And yes his reviews were, WERE not are, simply his own opinion, that was kind of why it was good before. Now either because he let something go to his head or because his publisher is pressuring him he is just beating the games down without any sort of real whit or nods to the pros of them. I was fully prepared for him to bash the game, and I have no problem with that, but the way he did it was not funny and lacked the charm of many of the other reviews.
I have no problem with him smacking the games I like around a bit, I just want to see it done in a way that covers REAL flaws. I don't want to see him just bash at the bad points he can find because he can. He should not have to sink that low.
I have no problem with him smacking the games I like around a bit, I just want to see it done in a way that covers REAL flaws. I don't want to see him just bash at the bad points he can find because he can. He should not have to sink that low.
I love the mgs series!!....and i f**king love this review!, its brilliant, come on you upset saps! get a sense of humor..