Zero Punctuation: Monster Hunter Tri

[Bullet1991]

I r like this.

 

[Zerophon]

Okay then... well I don't know if I can agree with you or not given that I haven't played the game yet. I've been thinking of getting it but I'd rather wait while it comes down in price before paying for it. I'd give it a rent but this looks like the type of game you can't just rent. Ho well, I laughed at the review and I was amused by it but I think I'll reserve my thoughts on the game until I've played it.

Do take his advice on playing with a classic controller, which increases gameplay value by a 100%

 

[Solomon Grundy]

i'll agree that the reduction of monster's is a bit of a let down (Lao Shun Lung anyone?)

weapons they also removed where
-Dual Swords
-Gunlance
-Bow (yes i agree, i was sadden by that)
-Hunting Horn

The reason i say that picking a PSP Version over this is that
-Portability (with a Pause option,take battles whenever & wherever)
-More Weapon's
-More Armor
-More Monster's
-Down-loadable Content
-Xlink
-a FREAKIN PET PIG!!!
- and more Comrade options.

and with the controls. it's really one of those practice=skill sort of things.

 

[milskidasith]

I am really surprised at the anger towards Yahtzee for this review. I mean, he may have not played the whole game but everything he said in his review does stay true threw the game.

No it doesn't. The percent of possible fetch quests drops from 30% to 0%, and the percent required drops from 25% to 0% as well.

All that happens as time goes on as the size/difficulty of the monsters increases.

That's... kind of like saying all that happens in any game is it gets harder and more complex. All that happens in portal is that the puzzles require more advanced techniques. All that happens in Half Life 2 is the story gets longer. All that happens in Dwarf Fortress is that your fortress expands exponentially with your framerate decreasing proportionally. None of those are bad games, are they?

Even further, Yahtzee didn't even get to the actual monsters, he just beat up minions. It's like saying portal sucks because you never got the damn portal gun.

This game is just one grind after the other to get better gear to kill the next monster so you can.... grind for more gear.

I really hate using terms like this, but the only word that can describe this is "lolno." You don't *ever* need to grind out better gear. I got through the entire game using weapons I had made solely from completing missions and gear I got from drops while hunting on nonmissions/killing extra 'peccos during missions he showed up in. I beat the game with T2 weapon(s), a T3 SnS, and a T1 armor (online rank; offline, it would be 4, 5 and 2, respectively), none of which needed grind.

He also didn't review the multiplayer but did he have to? I mean the multiplayer was just the single player but with up to three more people.

Again, the answer can only be summarized with a hearty "lolno." The multiplayer had additional monsters, event quests, instant access to boss monsters, and, seeing as the game is designed around fighting with four players, it's a lot more fun that way. It's like picking up FPS games made near entirely for the multiplayer with an excuse plot thrown in, and saying they are shi... wait, he does that. Not that it's a bad thing to criticize the single player, but he didn't even bring up the fact it's designed around multiplayer. Then again, he didn't even bring up the fact you're supposed to hunt monsters, so, y'know, priorities.

For his reviews in general, I think they have always held a good deal of weight. He takes the worst parts of games (when they are there) and exaggerate/focus on them for comic affect. Just because what he said is childish or funny doesn't mean it's not true.

That's the problem, though. He's disingenuous at best and outright lying at worst when he does this, and yet people take him seriously. He complains about controls without mentioning you can change them, complains about features that are in games, and doesn't even get past the tutorial on games yet acts as if he had seen the entire experience, even going so far as to say the game was entirely about killing weak monsters. As a humor source, he's OK, and if that's all people took him as, there'd be no issue, but when people register one post per video accounts just to say "Yeah, that game looks like shit!" he's clearly attracting people who treat his reviews as fact based on the whole experience, regardless of whether or not he pointed out the whole experience.

All I'm trying to say is that A: Yahtzee should have at least mentioned he didn't get far in the game, like he did in FFXIII, and B: Yahtzee should consider pointing out his opinions are exaggerations, he doesn't fully play all the games, and the fact if he didn't mention it, it's probably good in the actual video (even as a disclaimer on the alt text), instead of acting serious about it, misrepresenting games, and saying "Oh, if I didn't criticize it, I liked it" on his much less read column.

 

[Raioken18]

Way to review, thorough /sarcasm.
Did he even play for more than a few hours?

The thing about Monster Hunter and why it sends you on quests to pick flowers and kill small animals is to get you used to the environment and how your weapons actually work. All the farfing around at the start is actually necessary for new players, if you've ever been handed your friends game on training and tried to kill a Rathalos with no prior experience with the game, your going to get owned hard.

Once you get past the tediousness of the first part, you are launched into a ton of different boss battles. It's like Shadow of the Colossus, only BETTER! Yeah you heard me, the battles are more intense, and you have to realize that your not going to win every time, it actually requires skill and preparation.

I like using a Great Sword, and it's epic, you have a gigantic death sword outside of a RPG, you hold it up and it charges and you have a freaking leopard dragon flailing around infront of you, you can either let the charge go early or try and max it out, knowing you may get hit any second. So then you either get owned and sent flying, or you bring a huge metal phallus down, smashing it into the head of your opponent.

It seems like Yahtzee didn't play enough of this game to actually get to and appreciate the fun part. You do eventually get to go back and try slaying the gigantic water monster, and then you realize why being hell scared and running away was a good choice.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

i'll agree that the reduction of monster's is a bit of a let down (Lao Shun Lung anyone?)

weapons they also removed where
-Dual Swords
-Gunlance
-Bow (yes i agree, i was sadden by that)
-Hunting Horn

The reason i say that picking a PSP Version over this is that
-Portability (with a Pause option,take battles whenever & wherever)
-More Weapon's
-More Armor
-More Monster's
-Down-loadable Content
-Xlink
-a FREAKIN PET PIG!!!
- and more Comrade options.

and with the controls. it's really one of those practice=skill sort of things.

Gunlance was okay .... Dual swords were fun, Hunting horn? Bleh.

You have a pet pig. He's on the farm now instead of in the home. And protability? Well .. *kinda* but unless you have friends who are going to play wifi wioth you're generally only going to play a game where you have a stable internet connection (through x-link kai) ... which kinda takes the aspect of portability and throws it out the window cos you're going to be playing it at home.

Given some missions can take 30-40 minutes, and barring the idea of wanting to play longer than just one hunt, it's not really feasible to play anywhere else barring your own home.

 

[Moffman]

Never been a fan of the monster hunter series for the reasons here. And I love Japanese games and Capcom, so I was very shocked at how dull I found this game... I have not played Tri but have the first and the PSP version of 2, neither of which hooked me after I played them for quite a while.

I think this review hits the nail on the head. Needs less gathering quests and more slaying quests. I'm always a fan of story too and all the quests were literally: "this monster is doin bad stuff. Kill it for me". May be I didn't play enough but if a game doesn't hook me within a month it's gotta be failing in some respect.

And I can see how this sucks on the Wii. 1. See monster. 2. bash one button to attack 3. if its a boss dodge a bit 4. Monster dead.

 

[LeonLethality]

not sure if they have expanded the fetch quest ones but those fetch quests he was talking about just sound like 1 star quests from the first one, but he is right as it souldnt be on the wii put it on a real current gen consol so we can get out of the need for loading screens

It was put on the Wii for a few reasons, the biggest being production costs. Money is a big thing when it comes to making games and since this time they were trying to get it to appeal internationally it would be a huge loss if it failed. And the Wii is a real current generation console, like it or not.

The Load Screens are Capcom's Fault not Nintendo's. They Left those in the game on purpose, it wasn't a hardware thing.

I know that, I never said it was a hardware thing. The load screens are in every game for a reason.

 

[RaikuFA]

youre just mad cause people dont like your stupid hunting game and youre faced with the realization that your game sucks

 

[Worgen]

sounds like he only played like an hour of the single player, for some reason they decided to ease players into it, which might not be a bad idea but killing giant monsters is where its at and it takes much to long to get into that in the single player, really multi-player is where its at and so far I have yet to find any ass hats online.... a fact which confused and frightens me, I guess they are all busy playing on the 360

 

[Angelix]

I sure wish that he actually talked about the best part of game. You know, fighting monsters.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

lol, well all in all it comes down to personal taste i guess.

good counter-arguments man.

 

[Aura Guardian]

sounds like he only played like an hour of the single player, for some reason they decided to ease players into it, which might not be a bad idea but killing giant monsters is where its at and it takes much to long to get into that in the single player, really multi-player is where its at and so far I have yet to find any ass hats online.... a fact which confused and frightens me, I guess they are all busy playing on the 360

I only found one. He went idle during the mission leaving my friends and I doing the work. Go back to the tavern and he up and about wanting to do another quest. Fuck that. We should have abandoned if I didn't need the money.

 

[Swifteye]

Wow this review really went south with people oh my oh my. Pretty much anytime the wii or japanese game coems into his mouth he's automatically lost credibility. He's a smart man and I really think he wants to be a reviewer and not just a walking snark gag, but the one thing about reviewers is that they don't play games they aren't going to like the second they open it. He's not unbaised enough to be a real reviewer than can review anything. Sure no one is truly unbaised should it be so bad where it becomes obvious something wasn't even given a chance to show it's stuff? Or that people who like the gaming franchise will like it?

Once again. Why did he review this game? What next, going to review dynasty warriors?

 

[milskidasith]

youre just mad cause people dont like your stupid hunting game

Or maybe we are legitimately concerned about how Yahtzee, critic, reviewer, comedian, humorist, messiah, demon, voice of reason, voice of insanity, however you view him, can convince dozens of commenters and untold numbers of viewers a game is terrible with a review despite obviously not playing the game? I wouldn't care if he praised how lovely it was all you did was do fetch quests, I'd still be complaining since that's not what the game is about, and I've mentioned problems with his complaints on other videos (such as Halo Wars) despite not liking the game. Furthermore, I don't like how Yahtzee is, while not dishonest, not exactly forthcoming with the information that hyperbolic and if he doesn't criticize a certain aspect, he probably likes it (such information can only be inferred or obtained from reading Extra Punctuation), and outright lying when he makes videos that show he clearly hasn't played the game and passes them off as full reviews.

Then again, I suspect you are just trolling, in which case, congratulations, you win one internet and the couple of minutes I was typing this post while waiting for my dwarfs to get some production going in DF.

 

[Nevyrmoore]

I sure wish that he actually talked about the best part of game. You know, fighting monsters.

General rule of thumb with Yahtzee -- he only talks about the bad things. Because, according to the response to his Psychonauts review, people don't like it when he says good things about a game.
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Judging from the responses in this thread, I've come to a grand conclusion; if you like playing roguelikes (for instance, Dwarf Fortress, ADOM, Stone Soup, and, of course, Nethack), then you're probably like this.

 

[Worgen]

sounds like he only played like an hour of the single player, for some reason they decided to ease players into it, which might not be a bad idea but killing giant monsters is where its at and it takes much to long to get into that in the single player, really multi-player is where its at and so far I have yet to find any ass hats online.... a fact which confused and frightens me, I guess they are all busy playing on the 360

I only found one. He went idle during the mission leaving my friends and I doing the work. Go back to the tavern and he up and about wanting to do another quest. Fuck that. We should have abandoned if I didn't need the money.

check that, ok I have encountered one as well but one in like 40+ hours of playing is a pretty good ratio... I really need a job

 

[Gizen]

That sea monster you mentioned is called the Lagiacrus. If you had bothered to keep going you would know that literally the very next thing you would be doing is Being sent to kill it.

What? No? The quest you first see the Lagiacrus in is the fifth 1 star quest. I am on the the sixth 3 star quest, and I still haven't seen it since then, so I'm pretty sure you're wrong. The first quest that you ever actually get to hunt a giant monster is the fifth 2 star quest, and it is most certainly not the Lagiacrus.

Anywho, my comments on the review. Speaking as somebody who owns and fully enjoys Monster Hunter 3, having no regrets in buying it... Yahtzee is 100% correct. By all logic, the game should be terrible, and I couldn't even begin to fathom why it is that I enjoy it as much as I do, or why other people do as well, or why it's one of Japan's most popular franchises. That said, I do have a few points I'd like to bring up.

It sounds like Yahtzee never reached the point in the game where you're actually tasked with hunting the giant monsters. While I highly doubt they would change his opinion on the game in the slightest, I'm still curious as to what comments he might have had about them. Probably something along the lines of 'not worth the crap you have to go through to get to them I imagine'. Or perhaps 'really really frustrating when some tiny irrelevant trash monster gets in your way and completely fucks you over'.

Also, and I realize this is actually probably a negative in Yahtzee's point of view, but the game really is meant to be played online. The online campaign is considerably longer (about 40-50% of the offline campaign = roughly 16.5% of the online campaign), and it's feasibly possible, albeit more difficult, to solo your way through it if you insist on not playing with other people. Playing online also allows you to jump straight into a giant monster hunting quest if you so desire, though the gathering ones still have to be done eventually. The point is further reinforced by Monster Hunter being one of the only Wii games that supports voice communication, as well as the only one that I know of that doesn't use friend codes.

 

[Aura Guardian]

sounds like he only played like an hour of the single player, for some reason they decided to ease players into it, which might not be a bad idea but killing giant monsters is where its at and it takes much to long to get into that in the single player, really multi-player is where its at and so far I have yet to find any ass hats online.... a fact which confused and frightens me, I guess they are all busy playing on the 360

I only found one. He went idle during the mission leaving my friends and I doing the work. Go back to the tavern and he up and about wanting to do another quest. Fuck that. We should have abandoned if I didn't need the money.

check that, ok I have encountered one as well but one in like 40+ hours of playing is a pretty good ratio... I really need a job

There's always at least one jerk online.

 

[ezeroast]

Who is that guy who is always used in his pictures?

If i remember he wanted something to express expressionless, did a google search and found that guy.