Zero Punctuation: Monster Hunter Tri

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Mechanix said:
Why review this game instead of something that's really hot right now, like....Red Dead Redemption? Alan Wake? Maybe even Galaxy 2?
Keep in mind the delay for games to get to Australia (Yahtzee complains about it enough). Also, he stated before that he likes "reviewing" after the hype dies down. Also, he may have been interested in the game, and it may have been what he had completed for the episode (assuming he makes them in advance). He'll get around to the bigger titles, maybe next episode, maybe not.
Plus, there wasn't much hype on this so he could tear it apart easier.
 

RaphaelsRedemption

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RobThePrezodent said:
"Hunter gatherer of the young dinosaurs pathetically mewling their last as the glory of their mother's warmth slowly drifts away" sounds like such a good game :p Well, I'd say after that review I'm probably not likely to buy the game, not that i would be likely to buy many games on the wii, but still..
I want a T-shirt with that on!
 

RaphaelsRedemption

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Oh Hephaestus said:
You guys just eat it up! (Granted some of you don't know better, what with thinking Yahtzee is never wrong and no experience with MH to think otherwise). If you ever visit IGN or Gamespot you might just have an orgasm!

Also Yahtzee, health advice: lay off the cigarettes. Drink some water. You didn't always sound worse than my granddad. (And for my mental health, just stick to the adventure games.)

If you want to reply to me, I don't know if I will muster the strength to answer you. While there are a lot of people here could benefit from seeing Yahtzee take a good verbal spanking, it is just too likely that this board is full of people who can NEVER learn otherwise(too busy trying to win for Yahtzee, even though he would hate them) and trolls who couldn't cut it on 4chan or gamefaqs. Maybe if you are very kind, I'll answer any questions. Otherwise, I am fine with everything here being the last thing I say on this. (Alternatively: This review of Yahtzee is meant to be humorous! A parody! Satire! You can't judge what I say here - nananana!)
I am fine with eveything you just said being the last thing you say on this too. Most people join because they like the site, wish to be part of the community and enjoy the reviews. Having a different opinion is perfectly legitimate, but being rude while one does so implies a great lack of repect to the people participating in this discussion. Have a pleasant day.
 

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I wonder why so many good received games are appearing in the Wii as they should, but I do not have the console (in fact ANY console, only PC), so I may be talking too soon.

Anyway, wasn't your birthday this Monday? if so, HAPPY BIRTHDAY YAHTZEE! Now lets all pretend nothing happened and get on with pour lives like Yahtzee would.
 

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Oh Hephaestus said:
Huge snip
That was you first post? It was hugely large?! Anyway, WELCOME TO THE ESCAPIST! It's okay to not like Yahtzee, because we like him because we do not like how he dislikes the games that we don't likely won't like. But anyway, have fun.
 

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So I'm guessing the next Extra Punctuation is going to be how not to start a game off? (Still waiting for the one about games that give you money but nothing worth spending it on)

Reading the comments it seems like Yahtzee only played through the tutorial and never fought any of the giant monsters advertised in the game. Perhaps he didn't but is three hours for a game to finally get going really good game design? Still, I've been interested in the Monster Hunter games for awhile since I've always wanted to club a T-Rex to death with a giant warhammer.

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SAMAS said:
And now I'd like to make a prediction:

On next week's Extra Punctuation, Yahtzee will try to justify his not hunting a big monster with an article on how long it should take for a game to "open up" (i.e.: let you get to the meat of the game). Hopefully, he'll make some good points along the way.
Ninja'd apparently.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Wow, Yahtzee completely missed the point of the game. Me thinks he didn't play long enough to fight some of the bigger monsters.
People always say things like this, but the problem is that if it isn't good enough to keep you interested in the game, then it isn't a well developed game. It's much like Stephen King's "IT." If you're willing to read the first five hundred pages, then you might actually get to the part that most people consider good. The problem is keeping the reader engaged for the first five hundred pages of a thousand page book. In that aspect, King failed. To me, just as that book was a failure, so is any game that you put some serious play time into, but it's just after you finally give up out of sheer boredom that it's supposed to be good.
 

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milskidasith said:
This is the problem: You said the three types of posters were people who liked Yahtzee and took him as entertainment, rabid Yahtzee fanboys, and idiotic Tri fanboys. I don't feel comfortable in any of those categories, especially since the heavy implication was that anybody who even posted anything in defense of the game was automatically number three.
That's the problem with categorizing people. To list...

Some people might defend the game blindly and never address the valid points that Yahtzee brings up. Smash Bros Brawl is a prime example there.
There are others who defend it reasonably well.
There are trolls who stick around to...troll.
There are "Reverse-trolls" who troll the trolls.
There are random commentators.
There are others who buy in Yahtzee's every word seemingly (I won't pretend I can read minds) without question.

And so on...It's a mess.

There's too much gray area to really pigeonhole people into those groups. I failed at that myself this evening.

I don't take Yahtzee as entertainment. Well, I do, in the same way I take Ebert's reviews as entertainment; they are entertaining, yes, but they've still got to actually present a fair view of the reviewed material.
Yahtzee entertains because that's what he does; there's no way you could get a fair comprehensive review of every game you're handed within a week. Doubly so if the first several hours of it sucks.

Still, he does present a number of valid and objective arguments for and against the games he reviews. This does not mean we always get the full story behind the game; so I never assume I will.

Even if the smart money is on not listening because Yahtzee didn't present anything about the actual meat of the gameplay, there are clearly far too many people who take Yahtzee's review as gospel for the excuse "he's just an entertainer, don't listen to him for reviews and don't complain about how he portrays games, even if it's inaccurate" to work.
Aye. That's a problem. Present day society seems to equate popularity with credibility, which is just a fallacy at best and self denial at worst.
 

Therumancer

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So... did the game have a plot? Was there any value to collecting anything and upgrading it? Or was it literally just a circle of upgrading to make it easier to collect so you can upgrade more?

Also, on the note of visual novels, I've "played" good visual novels and enjoyed them, it's just I enjoyed them in the same way I enjoy reading a book. If you come into them expecting a gaming experience then they are undeniably the worst games in existence, but you want to read a book that sometimes has multiple endings then they can be lovely.

I've played "Monster Hunter" on the PSP, but have not tried this version. It's a fantasy hunting sim. Pretty much the entire thing is to move through the hunts that the village elder gives you in order to collect materials so you can take on new hunts. There really isn't much of an overarching plot like "go kill Dark Foozle to save the realm", although the lead ins for some of the monsters can be fairly dramatic. Sort of like in Pokemon how your out to "catch them all" and become the Pokemon master, in this game your out to "hunt them all" and become the greatest hunter in the game.

As far as I played, part of the fun is finding out how to attract/lure/kill differant monsters, and some of them have nasty gimmicks which require you to build special devices/armor to fight them. You also need to do things like make bait, place it in the right place, and use things like marker dye to chase the monsters from area to area as they flee from you.

As you progress you have like a hunter card, which records some of your progress, and you can allegedly show to other people playing the game when you do co-op with them. I have never done this, so I can't say for sure, but apparently there is a pretty massive community of Monster Hunter players in Japan that get really into this kind of thing, so part of the appeal is intended to be social.


This is a grind-tastic series, but I don't mind grind if it's done well. However things like that don't appeal to all people, Yahtzee for one has never been into it (going by his other installments). If you don't like it, your not the target audience, and that is why they make differant kinds of games. Simply put in this game part of the gimmick is that you have to make everything from weapons to armor, to devices and traps, so if you want to try a strategy to kill some big bad monster, you need to collect all the pieces from other monsters you've beaten to construct the traps/weapons/whatever. Likewise the versions I've played have you picking one of 8 or 9 styles of fighting at any given time, all with various strengths and weaknesses, some of which are infinatly better than others. A monster that falls easy to sword and shield, but be harder to beat with a lance, but the lance itself might be better against a differant monster. Then of course you have various flavors of ranged weapons like arrows which cause differant FX from poisons, to light bowguns (cannons) which let you shoot and move, to heavy bowguns which do insane damage but prevent you from moving while you shoot and kind of need to be "Set up". So prepping a properly beefy weapon for the right monster to try a strategy can be tricky.

That said I didn't get all that far with Monster Hunter games even though I wanted to like them, generally because the controls for the PSP are absolutly awful, and none of the grip strategies people use to make it more managable worked for me. Monster Hunter is a game that really screams for two control nubs like other games (one to move, one to move the camera), which the PSP does not have. I've been hoping for a PS-3 or 360 version to appear for this reason.

I guess the best way to look at it is a sort of cult classic, with a sizable cult of people that play it overseas. You either get this specific sim/action-RPG hybrid, or you don't. You have to be the kind of guy that is going to get satisfaction from like spending a dozen hours finding out how to lure, track, and finally defeat some big-bad monster, which is similar to the appeal of having some ultra-rare, shiny, perfectly leveled pokemon. Having other people who also play the game to brag to, hunt with, and strategize about possible ways of doing specific things probably also helps... as I said, it seems like it's the kind of game that is decent on it's own, but would really benefit from a strong player community in the area your in.
 

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I've come to not expect much from Yahtzee when he reviews games that belong to genres he doesn't like. "Yahtzee didn't like a Japanese game?! Shocking!!1" Naturally I think he's brilliant--and let's face it, anyone who watches Yahtzee wishing for an objective review is CLEARLY a Yahtzee n00b--but I hardly watched the review expecting little more than Yahtzee complaining about the "grind."
I personally enjoyed Monster Hunter, mostly because I like games that don't require a 2 month commitment; I can play MHT for an hour to kill time. The main point of the game is the quests, not the time wasting/furniture placing/gardening nonsense. I find it's rather rewarding to kill two large flying (or swimming ;)) beasts and call it a day.

Otherwise, fairly funny review.
 

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CD-R said:
So I'm guessing the next Extra Punctuation is going to be how not to start a game off? (Still waiting for the one about games that give you money but nothing worth spending it on)

Reading the comments it seems like Yahtzee only played through the tutorial and never fought any of the giant monsters advertised in the game. Perhaps he didn't but is three hours for a game to finally get going really good game design? Still, I've been interested in the Monster Hunter games for awhile since I've always wanted to club a T-Rex to death with a giant warhammer.

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SAMAS said:
And now I'd like to make a prediction:

On next week's Extra Punctuation, Yahtzee will try to justify his not hunting a big monster with an article on how long it should take for a game to "open up" (i.e.: let you get to the meat of the game). Hopefully, he'll make some good points along the way.
Ninja'd apparently.
It's 15 minutes, at best, before you actually start fighting minion monsters, and an hour before the first big one. It's not three hours. Please, people, stop throwing around random times between two and twenty hours when it's really 15 minutes for stuff that isn't what Yahtzee complained about and one hour before the big boss fights that are advertised.

As for not being entertaining enough to keep him going: OK, that could be a valid complaint. If 15 minutes of being bored, less time than it takes for him to go and pick up the game, and about a third the time it takes him to actually voice over the review assuming he only does one take (doubtful), is enough that he quits, that's fine to consider a fault. The problem with it Yahtzee, in this case, is twofold: First, it's his job to review the game, so quitting after 15 minutes due to boredom shows laziness, and secondly, he never mentioned that fact, which shows a lack of journalistic integrity. If he had said "OK, the first 15 minutes were shit, I slogged through it, and then in the giant monster fights there were stupid animations and I could never tell if the monster was barely hurt or about to die" I could have accepted that (though the second one isn't entirely true; breaking parts of an enemy and the enemy limping show they're getting weaker). But if the problem is that it was too boring in the first 15 minutes to keep playing, then Yahtzee should be saying that, not how the game was all about killing defenseless monsters and gathering shit.
 

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milskidasith said:
But if the problem is that it was too boring in the first 15 minutes to keep playing, then Yahtzee should be saying that, not how the game was all about killing defenseless monsters and gathering shit.

lol Totally agreed.
 

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[sarcasm] Wow, I can't believe I liked such a terrible game! How could I not realize the entire thing was actually just grinding? How completely stupid of me. I'd better go play a shooter to wash this terrible game out of my system. To think I actually played something Japanese. Lucky Yahtzee was here to inform me of it. [/sarcasm]

Well, I think I stopped caring about Yahtzee's opinions some time ago. Honestly, watching this video made me a bit angry, and that's to say nothing of his fans.

I really enjoyed this game. The opening parts were a bit grind heavy, yeah, but the later parts of the game are really amazing. Besides that, I've always managed to enjoy grinding. It's not so much the grinding itself that I find fun, but more being able to see the results of the efforts that I make. It's the same reason that I enjoy running. I can constantly test myself and know that I am improving. I look at the game, and I can see that I have piles of money so large I could form a small continent from them, and I know that I have done well. Often times, with games like Harvest Moon, I play the first half of the game as a hardcore worker, amass a giant fortune, get a wife, then spend the rest of the game doing what I want. I make a little garden on my farm. I relax at the hot springs. It's the simple feeling of knowing that you have done a good job.

Also, I'd like to point out that for all the hatred leveled against Japanese games for being the same thing/massive grind fests, that's kind of the nature of the industry isn't it? These games sell well, so they're what get made. Same thing with all the generic western shooters. Sure there are lots of gems in the western market. Thief was great. Half Life 2 was good. I loved Kotor, myself. But the Japanese market has gems as well. Games like Chrono Trigger, Silent Hill, Pretty much anything made by Suda51, the old metroid games, Ninja Gaiden. I would argue that the Japanese game market has far more variety than the western one.
 

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Well, I like Monster Hunter. Then again, I like all those funny Japanese games that Yahtzee can't seem to understand. If the review scared you off, try Lost Planet 2 instead. It's a similar concept, only guns instead of swords and no gathering.
 

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I hate how the entire first page of comments is like,"I agree with everything Yahtzee says and ever will say."
Did you people miss when he said that all he does is insult games as part of the rule of funny?

And seriously, it didn't even look like he played the game. As soon as he said that you barely killed monsters, I knew he hadn't gotten very far. That underwater monster he talked about would show up a lot more if he actually got anywhere in the game.

I haven't actually played Tri yet, but I loved the PSP Monster Hunter games. The fail of the Wii control scheme is definitely valid, and is what is making me question whether I want to get it.
 

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milskidasith, it is usually less than an hour before you reach Great Jaggi. Unless someone stood around to admire Lagicrus(like I did lol).