Zero Punctuation: Next Gen Buyer's Guide

[Roxas1359]

I agree with Yahtzee's point on the editing thing. I do Let's plays on 2 sites, Game Anyone and YouTube, and we need to be able to edit our footage before putting it up. If I am still able to use an HD PVR on say the PS4 then I'm set, but I don't know if the PS4 will have component support, and if it's HDMI only then I hope they don't HDCP encrypt the HDMI port again.
Out of the new consoles the PS4 and Wii U look the strongest, but the Wii U still needs games and the problem is that the gap between games being made for it is really bad. Well not too long before E3 so hopefully all the unknown things are revealed about the two consoles I still care for.
In other news the Xbone really has to do quite a bit to make itself look appealing to me.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Welcome back kids to another edition of "New Generation Hatred", a joyous occasion where the next generation is hated because it seems different than the old one. Then a bunch of people will buy it, it'll slowly faze out the majority of the old consoles, and everyone will get used to it and forget they hated it because there are other things to complain about. Then the next series will be announced and lo the cycle will start anew.

so so true. Why does this have to happen every gen

Believe it or not, there was once a time when people were looking forward to the next generation. It's just that lately, far too much BS has been added to the mix.

And believe it or not there were still false rumors and people yelling at the top of their voices that this would be the end of gaming. Just want everyone to wait and at least check out what the new gen has to offer before yelling that it sucks before knowing it. It's annoying.

I really am sick of people telling us to wait before we criticize? Wait for what? First it was wait for the Xbone reveal, wait till the Wii U launches to criticize it and so on. This is just a game of "cross this line", "now this line" and it never ends.

Let me ask you, can we criticize the Wii yet or should we wait until they discontinue them?

I'm saying wait til you actually get more information on it. I remember people condemning the systems just based on rumors and it annoyed the hell out of me. Yes, I agree the xbox's features that have been annouced are stupid and deserve to be called out. Go right ahead but dont condemn something for things that it never has even mentioned or that are completly optional

Why can't we talk about the information that we already have?

We know the Xbone will use Steam type DRM. We know that Microsoft has not only broken into to the used game market, but seeks to completely control it (for Xbone games). We know that the Wii U has few games that people want. We know that the Wii U controller is not that appealing to most people. We know that Sony is giving us a Share button right on the controller.

 

[kenu12345]

Why can't we talk about the information that we already have?

We know the Xbone will use Steam type DRM. We know that Microsoft has not only broken into to the used game market, but seeks to completely control it (for Xbone games). We know that the Wii U has few games that people want. We know that the Wii U controller is not that appealing to most people. We know that Sony is giving us a Share button right on the controller.

Did you read what I said? "Yes, I agree the xbox's features that have been annouced are stupid and deserve to be called out. Go right ahead but dont condemn something for things that it never has even mentioned or that are completly optional" Games are easily fixed and a share button really? Who cares it doesnt magnetically move your finger on that button. Its something thats completly optional aimed at people who wants to do lets play and hey whats so wrong with that? On an off note I suck with editing quotes yippy

 

[BrotherRool]

Guessed the punchline word for word before pressing the play button. It was a funny video, but it was a lot liking watching someone read off a script that I've already read.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

you are omitting the upgraded hardware.

I don't consider it an upgrade, more of a replacement.
It's high end, sure, but it omits the use of previous software and only allows newer games. The idea that these new games are going to be "better" doesn't concern me. The expense concerns me.

I'm not gonna argue ease of emulation or expenses, but the PS2 and PS3 offered things that people could use. A DVD player and a Blu-Ray player, along with backwards compatibility THAT was an upgrade. That got people saying "ok here's something I want"

I get the lack of backwards compatiblity but whats so wrong with having a share feature for those who want it.

Nothing is wrong with it, it's just that the idea of buying a console for that is silly to me.

Also, maybe im not quite reading it right but whats a new control?

Should have said "new controller" edited now.

Dont forget the wii u too

I don't have any real criticism of the Wii U. It was pushed out kind of fast, but it's more of an upgrade from Wii than a downgrade.

 

[Roxas1359]

I actually think the PS4 is looking pretty good. Got better hardware to make bigger games and its structure has changed to make it easier to develop for. Heck, sony is even putting there best effort to get more indie games on there and they seem to be really trying to do good this generation. Plus whats so wrong with an optional share button? Its related to gaming and its kinda cool

One problem I can see if the share button uploading to YT is the YouTube Copyright fairies will flag you for everything. YouTube's copyright system is highly broken and is exploited by false flags all the time. Combine that with companies flagging videos just uploaded showing the new game and the button turns into an "I want a copyright claim button." Believe me, it's cool with what Sony is trying to do, but I can see many problems with the button for people all over.

Heck here's an example of a bad copyright claim that YT gave me because it's system doesn't know how to differentiate or seem to know who owns what. I got flagged for copyright on my first episode of Kingdom Hearts Final Mix under the claim that I was using copyrighted music. Thing is, it was from a group called The Orchard Music who owns none of the music in Kingdom Hearts, and the best part was that they flagged a part of the video in which I removed all the audio so then the video falls under fair use. They are telling me I used copyrighted music on a part of a video that has no audio at all. So now I'm stuck with this claim on my account for 30 days or until they respond.

 

[kenu12345]

I actually think the PS4 is looking pretty good. Got better hardware to make bigger games and its structure has changed to make it easier to develop for. Heck, sony is even putting there best effort to get more indie games on there and they seem to be really trying to do good this generation. Plus whats so wrong with an optional share button? Its related to gaming and its kinda cool

One problem I can see if the share button uploading to YT is the YouTube Copyright fairies will flag you for everything. YouTube's copyright system is highly broken and is exploited by false flags all the time. Combine that with companies flagging videos just uploaded showing the new game and the button turns into an "I want a copyright claim button." Believe me, it's cool with what Sony is trying to do, but I can see many problems with the button for people all over.

Heck here's an example of a bad copyright claim that YT gave me because it's system doesn't know how to differentiate or seem to know who owns what. I got flagged for copyright on my first episode of Kingdom Hearts Final Mix under the claim that I was using copyrighted music. Thing is, it was from a group called The Orchard Music who owns none of the music in Kingdom Hearts, and the best part was that they flagged a part of the video in which I removed all the audio so then the video falls under fair use. They are telling me I used copyrighted music on a part of a video that has no audio at all. So now I'm stuck with this claim on my account for 30 days or until they respond.

Ah yes a fair point. I've seen many popular lets players have to edit out copyrighted music. If this optional feature wants to be good its going to need some good way to edit things.

 

[wearesoneutralthatithurts]

They have shown what they have

PS4
-a new control
-no backwards compatibility
-social integration

Xbone
-no backwards compatibility
-voice commands
-a required peripheral (that no one wants)
-possible online requirements

let me correct that

PS4
-a (not very)new(looking) control
-no backwards compatibility
-social integration


Xbone
-no backwards compatibility
-voice commands
-one peripheral required to be alway on and functional which sends their surveillance-data to servers without you knowing what will happen to that data, how the data is stored and secured etc.
-possible 1-times/day online-"login" requirement
- monetary requirements depending on how many people use xbone for digital movies*....

license is the magic word...

yeah, until the things are out is nothing 100% clear. could be that Microsoft gets the problem behind a technology which watches people all the time while they use the system and store the data on servers without you controlling how much of YOUR data will get there and how its used.

 

[GonzoGamer]

I get that Sony is the strongest contender right now but that's only because we don't know all of what they have planned. And the fact is that as a ps3 & psp owner I can tell you that what they have planned isn't exactly going to be what you get. The ps3 sounded great but with a bunch of features that never made it, features that only worked on a few games, and features that were taken away, it was quite a big disappointment.
Sure, the ps4 is the only console I might get and that would just be for games in split screen. And I would only get it after it's been out a few years and it seems like it's being supported not just with good software that works but good firmware that takes advantage of the hardware.

 

[kenu12345]

you are omitting the upgraded hardware.

I don't consider it an upgrade, more of a replacement.
It's high end, sure, but it omits the use of previous software and only allows newer games. The idea that these new games are going to be "better" doesn't concern me. The expense concerns me.

I'm not gonna argue ease of emulation or expenses, but the PS2 and PS3 offered things that people could use. A DVD player and a Blu-Ray player, along with backwards compatibility THAT was an upgrade. That got people saying "ok here's something I want"

I get the lack of backwards compatiblity but whats so wrong with having a share feature for those who want it.

Nothing is wrong with it, it's just that the idea of buying a console for that is silly to me.

Also, maybe im not quite reading it right but whats a new control?

Should have said "new controller" edited now.

Dont forget the wii u too

I don't have any real criticism of the Wii U. It was pushed out kind of fast, but it's more of an upgrade from Wii than a downgrade.

This aint directed at you but i just want to point out before i reply to you that im sorry for basically spammin this thread. Im just not that good with editing quotes and putting multiple quotes in one post. Now to you, sure I can see that if upgraded hardward doesnt appeal to you but if anything you can always just look at it like this. It will be much easier to develop for so more games. But thats kinda going around the point. Never seen anything wrong with the new controller (then again i can play with about any controller). It seems just like the old controller just a bit bigger so it has a little swipe screen on it.

 

[Roxas1359]

I actually think the PS4 is looking pretty good. Got better hardware to make bigger games and its structure has changed to make it easier to develop for. Heck, sony is even putting there best effort to get more indie games on there and they seem to be really trying to do good this generation. Plus whats so wrong with an optional share button? Its related to gaming and its kinda cool

One problem I can see if the share button uploading to YT is the YouTube Copyright fairies will flag you for everything. YouTube's copyright system is highly broken and is exploited by false flags all the time. Combine that with companies flagging videos just uploaded showing the new game and the button turns into an "I want a copyright claim button." Believe me, it's cool with what Sony is trying to do, but I can see many problems with the button for people all over.

Heck here's an example of a bad copyright claim that YT gave me because it's system doesn't know how to differentiate or seem to know who owns what. I got flagged for copyright on my first episode of Kingdom Hearts Final Mix under the claim that I was using copyrighted music. Thing is, it was from a group called The Orchard Music who owns none of the music in Kingdom Hearts, and the best part was that they flagged a part of the video in which I removed all the audio so then the video falls under fair use. They are telling me I used copyrighted music on a part of a video that has no audio at all. So now I'm stuck with this claim on my account for 30 days or until they respond.

Ah yes a fair point. I've seen many popular lets players have to edit out copyrighted music. If this optional feature wants to be good its going to need some good way to edit things.

This is why I hope that they still support component, and if not then I hope that they don't encrypt the HDMI port on the PS3, otherwise LPers like me will have to use their service if we want to edit. Plus I wish to know more if we can retrieve the footage from our consoles before uploading it otherwise I'll have to go to my channel, download the MP4, edit it, rerender it, and then reupload it. Really I'm gonna wait until more information comes out when it comes to this function and I hope that Sony doesn't grasp the wrong idea. Now time for me to edit some Ratchet and Clank, gotta get that ready for tomorrow. :3

 

[VinLAURiA]

I'm just gonna call it now and place all my chips on Wii U. Six days [http://e3.nintendo.com], sucka.

In other news, he's a lot more jaded (and irritating) than he was when outlining Gen7 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/3-Console-Rundown]. Hard to believe it's been six years already, but here we go. War begins again.

 

[wearesoneutralthatithurts]

Welcome back kids to another edition of "New Generation Hatred", a joyous occasion where the next generation is hated because it seems different than the old one. Then a bunch of people will buy it, it'll slowly faze out the majority of the old consoles, and everyone will get used to it and forget they hated it because there are other things to complain about. Then the next series will be announced and lo the cycle will start anew.

so so true. Why does this have to happen every gen

cant remember my xbox filming me while i play or wiiu demanding taht i log into internet one time a day and if i not then i cant use all features and things(and i dont mean:i cant use features for which internet connection is needed)or my ps3 demanding more money from me if my partner wants to sit down and watch the movie with me while he eats something.

so-no, what you say is..well, a bit wrong-because this kind of drm-surveillance-problem never was so damn obvious and low than on the new gen consoles..
or: sony and Microsoft never were so desperate-and they dont learn from their mistakes, áu contraire-they try harder to scare possible consumers away while the publisher shit out mostly identical games with 90%blandness

captcha: crab cake...
i think the captcha did mean: crap cake..

 

[WeepingAngels]

Why can't we talk about the information that we already have?

We know the Xbone will use Steam type DRM. We know that Microsoft has not only broken into to the used game market, but seeks to completely control it (for Xbone games). We know that the Wii U has few games that people want. We know that the Wii U controller is not that appealing to most people. We know that Sony is giving us a Share button right on the controller.

Did you read what I said? "Yes, I agree the xbox's features that have been annouced are stupid and deserve to be called out. Go right ahead but dont condemn something for things that it never has even mentioned or that are completly optional" Games are easily fixed and a share button really? Who cares it doesnt magnetically move your finger on that button. Its something thats completly optional aimed at people who wants to do lets play and hey whats so wrong with that? On an off note I suck with editing quotes yippy

Actually you said this:

Just want everyone to wait and at least check out what the new gen has to offer before yelling that it sucks before knowing it. It's annoying.

which leads me to believe that you don't want us saying anything negative at all until everything is known.

Maybe you don't care about a Share button but some people think it's fuckin stupid. Some people who don't want to post their gaming information on social networks. So here you are , telling us what we aren't allowed to criticize because it's optional. It should be fuckin optional in a menu, not on the damn controller.

 

[Hitchmeister]

The bottom line is, it all comes down to how quickly they stop releasing new games for the 360 and the PS3.

 

[kenu12345]

Why can't we talk about the information that we already have?

We know the Xbone will use Steam type DRM. We know that Microsoft has not only broken into to the used game market, but seeks to completely control it (for Xbone games). We know that the Wii U has few games that people want. We know that the Wii U controller is not that appealing to most people. We know that Sony is giving us a Share button right on the controller.

Did you read what I said? "Yes, I agree the xbox's features that have been annouced are stupid and deserve to be called out. Go right ahead but dont condemn something for things that it never has even mentioned or that are completly optional" Games are easily fixed and a share button really? Who cares it doesnt magnetically move your finger on that button. Its something thats completly optional aimed at people who wants to do lets play and hey whats so wrong with that? On an off note I suck with editing quotes yippy

Actually you said this:

Just want everyone to wait and at least check out what the new gen has to offer before yelling that it sucks before knowing it. It's annoying.

which leads me to believe that you don't want us saying anything negative at all until everything is known.

Maybe you don't care about a Share button but some people think it's fuckin stupid. Some people who don't want to post their gaming information on social networks. So here you are , telling us what we aren't allowed to criticize because it's optional. It should be fuckin optional in a menu, not on the damn controller.

Yeah I did say that but if you were paying attention to what I said in three fourths of the paragraph you could see thats not the case. You dont want to upload gaming footage? Then don't like i said no ones forcing you to hit that button. People dont complain when a dvd player comes with a built in feature to record a dvd just because they dont want to. Its like i said something completly optional that you can just avoid and the people that want it can use.

 

[lRookiel]

Dedicated fuck off button had me laughing.

Well done Yahtzee :3

 

[xPixelatedx]

[HEADING=1]I LOVE my wiiU![/HEADING]

That said I realize there aren't any games for it, a problem that will be fixed soon. If only that was the only problem facing the PS4 and Xbox haha. Obviously the Xbox One is out of the question because I am not a sadomasochist frat boy willing to screw myself over because I'm insecure about my sexuality. Ok, [small]that may have been a teensy bit unfair[/small], so let me put that another way. It was one thing to support the 360 and Microsoft up till now, that's fine. The Xbox one though... yeah, using that thing is just going to give you more problems then joy, and anyone who buys one probably feels they have to endure that pain just for social acceptance. The PS4 looks potentially promising... sadly I only bought and liked MGS4, 3D Dot Game Heroes and both Little Big Planets. I hate the rest of the Sony exclusive lineup. That's 4 games over the entire life cycle... when my PS2 and PS1 libraries are MASSIVE (both 50+ games).

Sony isn't interested in making games for people like me anymore, so fuck them. I'll wait and see if they get at least 5+ games I'd like to play before I even consider a PS4. Why I can't stand Sony consoles anymore:

 

[kenu12345]

Welcome back kids to another edition of "New Generation Hatred", a joyous occasion where the next generation is hated because it seems different than the old one. Then a bunch of people will buy it, it'll slowly faze out the majority of the old consoles, and everyone will get used to it and forget they hated it because there are other things to complain about. Then the next series will be announced and lo the cycle will start anew.

so so true. Why does this have to happen every gen

cant remember my xbox filming me while i play or wiiu demanding taht i log into internet one time a day and if i not then i cant use all features and things(and i dont mean:i cant use features for which internet connection is needed)or my ps3 demanding more money from me if my partner wants to sit down and watch the movie with me while he eats something.

so-no, what you say is..well, a bit wrong-because this kind of drm-surveillance-problem never was so damn obvious and low than on the new gen consoles..
or: sony and Microsoft never were so desperate-and they dont learn from their mistakes, áu contraire-they try harder to scare possible consumers away while the publisher shit out mostly identical games with 90%blandness

captcha: crab cake...
i think the captcha did mean: crap cake..

I can understand the Wii u thing if thats what really happens. but getting mad over rumors is just crazy. For instance where are you drawing the paying money to watch a movie with your friend. Sony has not said they are doing that and the fact they have a free online service tends to point that they wont have something like that.