Zero Punctuation: Tomb Raider

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GonzoGamer

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Full said:
"I Spit On Your Tomb"

I can no longer breath. Thanks Yahtzee, I am now dead.
Yea, that has to be the best game re-name ever.
So another reboot that 'surprisingly' sucks. Are reboots the new Movie Tie In games? Don't see too many of those anymore huh?
 

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I respect that, near the end of the review, he was able to identify the problem with the industry right now.
There may not be a man pulling her strings, but females still remain reactionary. No agency in their lives.
In this case the "man" is just replaced with "the universe", and that's not an improvement. It's a sidestep of progress.

Come on, industry.
 

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Meaning of Karma said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
Captain Walker (i.e. me) didn't decide to use white phosphorus. The developers forced us to use it.
Captain Walker isn't a blank slate that you're supposed to project yourself onto.

He's an actual character (i.e. not you) with his own motivations and personality.
Exactly.
People think it's a choice based game because of the illusion of choice you are given. Brain reverts to Bioware mode lol
 

Machine Man 1992

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IronMit said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
Captain Walker (i.e. me) didn't decide to use white phosphorus. The developers forced us to use it.
You are not making captain walkers decisions..it's not a role playing game, or a decision based game.

I can understand it gets confusing because you are given the illusion of choice and your brain decides it's a typical choice based game like mass effect or something...but it's not.

That would be like saying; 'the Tomb Raider developers made me kill all those islanders'. It's not a valid critique
And that somehow makes it okay?

Also, I don't remember making you the official Decider of What Is and Isn't Valid Critiques.
 

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I started playing Tomb Raider and it's a lot of fun and beautiful. Buuuut, you are playing 2 different games: Tomb Raider: The sad story of survival of Lara Croft and Tomb Raider: I pressed Y ************. The game mechanics are completely separate from the story. As every other review mentioned, one minute you're crying for taking a human life, the next you receive bonuses for headshots. Still, it's a lot of fun, and a good origins game. I'm looking forward for the next one.

EDIT: I fully support changing the game title to "YOU CAN DO THIS" or "hhmm..ohh..."
 
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Ok, that bit with the timers ticking down was hilarious. XD

Also, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who's missing games challenging me. (well, within reason. RE4 on professional mode is just plain SICK in terms of difficulty, even WITH the superior air of a wii-remote. x_x)
 

synobal

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Should of called it Quick Time Raider in my opinion. I just really disliked it. There wasn't a lot of game play.
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
IronMit said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
Captain Walker (i.e. me) didn't decide to use white phosphorus. The developers forced us to use it.
You are not making captain walkers decisions..it's not a role playing game, or a decision based game.

I can understand it gets confusing because you are given the illusion of choice and your brain decides it's a typical choice based game like mass effect or something...but it's not.

That would be like saying; 'the Tomb Raider developers made me kill all those islanders'. It's not a valid critique
And that somehow makes it okay?

Also, I don't remember making you the official Decider of What Is and Isn't Valid Critiques.
I don't remember making you the decider of who is the decider of valid critiques.

I descended from Lord Critiquese of critiqueHall. So I have divine right to the title
 

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I have yet to play Tomb Raider, but I did want to say that the sound of Yahtzee panting shall haunt me for quite some time.

Keep up the good work.
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
And that somehow makes it okay?

Also, I don't remember making you the official Decider of What Is and Isn't Valid Critiques.
It's a valid criticism of the game (in that it condemns you for the action without giving you any other choice) but it wasn't entirely appropriate in this context. Just because we, the players, didn't decide to use it doesn't mean that Walker didn't.
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
Captain Walker (i.e. me) didn't decide to use white phosphorus. The developers forced us to use it.
You are not Captain Walker.

CAPTAIN WALKER decided to use the white phosphorus. YOU didn't.
 

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I have to agree with a lot of people this game was very fun, but like was said in the review I was not invested in her emotionally during the gameplay. Though I will say there were some touching moments when she was interacting with her friends (friends by the way that I thought were 100 times more interesting then Lara and wanted to know their story, RIP stereotypical Irishman).

Also something he didn't touch on in the review, did anyone else notice this game suffered from some completely useless skills? Why would you offer me to point out all the optional tombs on the map when the game will do that for me anyways if you get within a mile of them?
 

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It seems like an okay game and a pretty logical evolution of the Tomb Raider series. I just wish they would stop rebooting everything. I don't mind breathing new life into a stagnating series, but a full on reboot is a bit much. No need to scrap years of story development guys, come on.
 

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elilupe said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
Captain Walker (i.e. me) didn't decide to use white phosphorus. The developers forced us to use it.
That is true, except in using that example, Yahtzee was talking about character in-game choice, not player choice. In the setting of Spec Ops, Walker, as the army Captain investigating Dubai that he is, chose to use the white phosphorus while his squad objected to it, saying they had other options. You as a player don't technically have other options, but, in the scale of Spec Ops, the character of Captain Walker did.
Actually, as I recall, the game does give you the option to shoot your way through it, it just makes winning impossible.

In a way, the player DID choose to use White Phosphorus. The other choice was dying.

Oddly enough, same choice Captain Walker had...
 

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The Deadpool said:
elilupe said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
Captain Walker (i.e. me) didn't decide to use white phosphorus. The developers forced us to use it.
That is true, except in using that example, Yahtzee was talking about character in-game choice, not player choice. In the setting of Spec Ops, Walker, as the army Captain investigating Dubai that he is, chose to use the white phosphorus while his squad objected to it, saying they had other options. You as a player don't technically have other options, but, in the scale of Spec Ops, the character of Captain Walker did.
Actually, as I recall, the game does give you the option to shoot your way through it, it just makes winning impossible.

In a way, the player DID choose to use White Phosphorus. The other choice was dying.

Oddly enough, same choice Captain Walker had...
The other choice was to stop playing (stop moving forward)
The dev's didn't make you hit the trigger button
 

Proverbial Jon

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Yahtzee has just summed up exactly what I've been saying about this game since I completed it, especially about Lara's "character" being reactionary and nothing more. Instead of typing the whole thing again I shall submit to narcissism and quote myself from a previous thread:

Proverbial Jon said:
But Lara doesn't develop as a character. I'm not sure quite what it is about this game that has fooled people into believing that it's award winning literature.

Lara isn't flawed to begin with. She's touted as being brilliant in her field of work, having an eye for new details and willing to take risks (go into the dragon's triangle.) A couple of people aren't on her side initially but that's them, not her. There is nothing about her to improve. That's a poor start when you're looking to develop a character.

Then she's thrown into a bad situation where she has to do or die. Putting aside the crazy stunts she performs (which mostly transcend human ability or limits of endurance) most people would rise to the occasion in her situation and be able to do what she does because their very survival is at stake. Sure, there are some comments about her parents and some hints that she can't live up to whatever legacy they have forged, but the details are far too sparse and it all feels so bare bones as to be non existent.

Lara "develops" in her situation as any human would. The OP is right, you could replace Lara with anyone else, any gender, and you'd get the same exact storyline. That's the problem right there, this isn't a personal story about Lara, it's just an old time clichéd survival story about some chick on an island. Lara hasn't been reinvented, she's been homogenised.
 

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I had to pause the video so I could finish off a laughing spasm at the image of Yahtzee with a pacifier in his mouth. That one will stick with me.
 

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Machine Man 1992 said:
Captain Walker (i.e. me) didn't decide to use white phosphorus. The developers forced us to use it.
You are a still a good person.