A few thoughts about January 6, 2021

[tstorm823]

No, you don't. And why would I? First of all it's not a debate. Second of all I don't give a shit what you think. And third, it's not like you'll change your mind. You never do. And I'm not here to try to make you change your mind. So why would I (or anybody else for that matter), go through trouble of pleasing someone who I think is incompetent to comprehend abstract ideas?

I mean, if you're on here just to scream into the void about how much you hate certain groups, you should probably rethink your hobbies. If you're here to communicate your ideas to others, you should be prepared to defend them. "Conservatives are selfish and lack the ability to think ahead" is, as far as I can tell, a load of crap you pulled out of your butt. Funny enough, the classic Smithsonian White Culture Poster controversy listed planning for the future, making progress, and delayed gratification as "white values", surrounded by almost exclusively conservative ideas as their other "white values". Conservatives tend to give more of their wealth away to others, and that's just one example of that. That's been pretty thoroughly studied.

Like, if you have anything at all to suggest conservatives are more selfish or less likely to think ahead, lay it on me. I don't think you do though, because I don't think that's even remotely real.

 

[Agema]

We are lied to so much though, I have no expectation that Nancy Pelosi will engage in due diligence investigating her role in failing to call for greater security at the capital.

Honestly, I wouldn't trust her that much either. That's why I'd have favoured an independent commission: the parties can still load them with safe hands, but there's more chance they can point blame where it's due if it risks going anywhere sensitive.

More to the point, I don't think Pelosi or McConnell have anything to hide (on this at least). Not only is there no evidence they got involved in decision making, there's no good reason that they would have done, and numerous people who are in operational control are already on record explaining why decisions were made. I think the only clear instance we have of a politician limiting police presence is that the DC authorities requested National Guard assistance for the day, and the DoD heavily cut the requested numbers and limited their equipment.

As for the Trump quote, can we agree saying, "fight like hell" in politics simply means to endeavor? It isn't an actual call to violence any more than calling extreme efforts to combat drugs a "war on drugs" is.

I think we can agree that what might be intended, but that's not necessarily how a crowd of fervent people is going to hear it with their blood up. Although honestly, probably they'd have stormed the Capitol without that phrasing, just because they'd been whipped up into sufficient outrage and determination.

 

[SilentPony]

So apparently there's another thing happening this weekend? Trump is going to be put into office on like Sunday and a bunch of Maga people are going to Washington to ensure it happens, and DC police are bracing for another riot/rebellion.

 

[happyninja42]

So apparently there's another thing happening this weekend? Trump is going to be put into office on like Sunday and a bunch of Maga people are going to Washington to ensure it happens, and DC police are bracing for another riot/rebellion.

Yeah the My Pillow guy has been spouting for months now, about his prediction that trump will be re-instated as president. he's been waffling on the date as it gets closer (I think it was originally the 9th? But maybe the 13th, hard to say, he's changed it), because he's been touting that he's got secret data that will "blow this shit wide open" and he's going to take it to the supreme court, and they're going to declare the election invalid, and reinstate trump....and it just so happens to coincide with an event hes running or something? He's basically just running a scam, to schill as much cash out of the idiotic republicans as he can, by appealing to their love of declarations of biblical style prophets and leaders, foretold and all that shit. He's entirely unhinged, just like his buddy trump, they're just rambling in a way that apparently still registers in conservative brains, stimulating the few neurons they have left by saying the various trigger words that make their brains fire.

 

[Gordon_4]

No joke, what the hell does this mean? This doesn't work as a metaphor because I have no idea what is representing what in the equation.

It’s an invocation of Godwin’s Law. Nazi Germany transported its decided undesirables to the Auschwitz and maybe Bergen-Belsen directly via train. They packed them into cattle carts. The showers thing is famously because that’s how they initially got compliance. The prisoners were processed (stripped of clothing and possessions) and directed to shower blocks which were in fact the infamous Zyklon-B gas chambers. After they were dead, that’s when they were divested of gold tooth caps/fillings etc.

So yeah, that’s broadly his analogy.

 

[BrawlMan]

So yeah, that’s broadly his analogy.

It's one that sucks.

 

[Silvanus]

It is a problem. Example: the recent critical race theory or whatever term you want to call lying to children about US history and making white people out to be the biggest problem in society.

Critical race theory is a) widely misunderstood, b) not particularly widespread anyway, and c) does not involve lying to children about US history etc.


If you have an objection to how Critical Race Theory emphasises certain areas/ topics, then you've surely got to be equally against the more traditional historical curriculae, which (for instance) emphasise the values of the European settlers who founded the US at the expense of the functioning societies which already existed there.

And are the schools underfunded? "$13,187 per pupil during the 2019 fiscal year "

Sorry to say, but for a year, that's not much. You pay more per missile than per child as a society, and you've got a fucking problem.

 

[Adam Jensen]

I mean, if you're on here just to scream into the void about how much you hate certain groups, you should probably rethink your hobbies. If you're here to communicate your ideas to others, you should be prepared to defend them. "Conservatives are selfish and lack the ability to think ahead" is, as far as I can tell, a load of crap you pulled out of your butt. Funny enough, the classic Smithsonian White Culture Poster controversy listed planning for the future, making progress, and delayed gratification as "white values", surrounded by almost exclusively conservative ideas as their other "white values".

This is not the argument that you think it is. Planning for the future is still planning for your own future - selfish, and it says nothing about one's ability to think ahead. If it did, there would be no anti-climate change and anti-vax conservatives, would there? Also, delayed gratification is still personal gratification, which is selfish and again, it's not about thinking ahead. Everyone is capable of delaying gratification. The basic example of that is saving money to buy something big for yourself instead of spending it all on immediate pleasure. But not everyone is capable of recognizing negative future effects of problems in complex systems like the society. For instance, the effects of declining education system, rising income inequality and student-debt crisis on the future of the nation as a whole. You are actually a perfect evidence for this, as someone who's virtually clueless of how anything more complex than "fuck you give me what's mine" works.

Conservatives tend to give more of their wealth away to others, and that's just one example of that. That's been pretty thoroughly studied.

Yeah, I'm sure that a cherrypicked SurveyMonkey about Republicans vs Democrats is very relevant. FYI, giving to charities doesn't make one selfless. Some of the people who give the most to charities are billionaires. It doesn't make them selfless for fuck sake. Get your head out of your ass.

Like, if you have anything at all to suggest conservatives are more selfish or less likely to think ahead, lay it on me. I don't think you do though, because I don't think that's even remotely real.

Well, if you want to talk about US conservatives, there's denial of scientific facts like the denial of climate change and the anti-vaccination stance, the so-called individualism (fancy word for selfishness), opposition to taxation, opposition to immigration despite the facts of the matter that you fuckin' need those people to drive the economy, opposition to quality public education, opposition to universal healthcare, opposition to abortion, opposition to student loan forgiveness, opposition to a myriad of other social programs meant to create a more stable society that is able to deal with existing and upcoming problems that are relatively easy to predict.

I could go on, but if you had the necessary intellectual capacity, you'd get the picture by now.

 

[Adam Jensen]

So apparently there's another thing happening this weekend? Trump is going to be put into office on like Sunday and a bunch of Maga people are going to Washington to ensure it happens, and DC police are bracing for another riot/rebellion.

And I hope that the Capitol police treats them like they treat black people.

 

[tstorm823]

I could go on, but if you had the necessary intellectual capacity, you'd get the picture by now.

Anti-vaccination is a bi-partisan issue, disagreements on the response to climate change isn't denial, nor is skepticism of the more extreme takes from people with extreme political goals, and most of what you listed is just Democratic talking points.

You do understand that saying you want the best future more often than other people doesn't make you better at achieving it, right? Like, you keep talking about "abstract concepts" and "intellectual capacity", but then you just list off a bunch of names of things that other people have told you are good without considering any abstraction of the ideas or delving into the logistics of achieving them. Like, I think you might actually be incapable of arguing beyond saying "you're dumb and like bad things".

 

[Adam Jensen]

Anti-vaccination is a bi-partisan issue, disagreements on the response to climate change isn't denial, nor is skepticism of the more extreme takes from people with extreme political goals, and most of what you listed is just Democratic talking points.

And it's this kind of blatant lying that makes me wonder why I removed you from my blocked list. Goodbye.

 

[tstorm823]

And it's this kind of blatant lying that makes me wonder why I removed you from my blocked list. Goodbye.

Anti-vaccination beliefs don’t follow the usual political polarization

Opposition to vaccines still prevents many children from getting needed preventative care. Understanding who is opposed, and why, can help, but the answers may surprise you.

theconversation.com

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare — Environmental Progress

Climate change is real, but it’s not the end of the world. It’s not even our most important environmental problem.

environmentalprogress.org

 

[CM156]

So apparently there's another thing happening this weekend? Trump is going to be put into office on like Sunday and a bunch of Maga people are going to Washington to ensure it happens, and DC police are bracing for another riot/rebellion.

The MyPillow guy has already kicked the can down the road, saying that instead of August being when Trump gets put back in office, August is when it's going to get started.
He's going to keep doing this until it's no longer profitable.

 

[09philj]

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare — Environmental Progress

Climate change is real, but it’s not the end of the world. It’s not even our most important environmental problem.

environmentalprogress.org

I did environmental science for my degree. I learned about a lot of ways we're fucked. Our soil is degrading, our oceans are choked in plastic, we are heavily dependent on fossil fuels that are running out, America has some of the worst urban planning in the world that has placed a lot of cities into inescapable debt spirals, and a lot of species are going extinct because we've facilitated the spread of invasive species. We are also steadily changing the climate which is going to have fairly catastrophic consequences in a variety of ways including higher sea levels, more extreme weather events, and the destruction of ecosystems. I wouldn't call it the end of the world, humans would almost certainly survive, but they would be surviving on a planet that would look radically different to the one we live on. I'm going to pretend you didn't post a link to a website operated by a man who has been widely derided by other more reputable climate scientists in articles you would have found by reading his Wikipedia page, because obviously you wouldn't be stupid enough to post a source without first verifying that it isn't partisan drivel.

 

[Agema]

Conservatives tend to give more of their wealth away to others, and that's just one example of that. That's been pretty thoroughly studied.

It has been well studied, but the results actually show a lot of inconsistency or ambiguity, and there are a lot of confounding factors. More below.

Like, if you have anything at all to suggest conservatives are more selfish or less likely to think ahead, lay it on me. I don't think you do though, because I don't think that's even remotely real.

The very survey you have cited suggests it may be true that conservatives are more selfish, because more Democrats stated a motive of the greater good for charity, where Republicans cited personal causes important to themselves.

One might take churches, as common recipients of charity. Conservatives are more likely to be religious, and they have the principle of tithes to their religion. It is questionable whether prettying up the nave that you get to enjoy yourself at Sunday service is really contributing to the common good in the same way feeding the homeless is. One might consider other aspects of where money can go. If people are giving money to their kids' school for a better gymnasium, are they not kind of spending it on themselves - how genuinely altruistic is this? There are other issues such as that in the USA, many areas with high concentrations of left/liberals have higher taxes - because they support higher public spending, which means less disposable income for charity. There are also arguments that philanthropy (particularly at the rich end) can be not well-wishing, but much more cynical as a form of public relations. And so on.

I do not think it is safe to draw any firm conclusions.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Entrapment matters. It is a defense. I don't know if anyone will chose it or not.

That's not how entrapment works. Stop trying to use legal terms you clearly don't understand.

 

[gorfias]

That's not how entrapment works. Stop trying to use legal terms you clearly don't understand.

Really? Guy is in the crowd peacefully protesting. Undercover FBI walks up to him and says we need to get in there and really be heard! Look! There's an open door right there and the police are actually inviting people in. So, guy, who otherwise would not commit trespass, does so.

You sure you think you know what entrapment is?

Critical race theory is a) widely misunderstood, b) not particularly widespread anyway, and c) does not involve lying to children about US history etc.


If you have an objection to how Critical Race Theory emphasises certain areas/ topics, then you've surely got to be equally against the more traditional historical curriculae, which (for instance) emphasise the values of the European settlers who founded the US at the expense of the functioning societies which already existed there.



Sorry to say, but for a year, that's not much. You pay more per missile than per child as a society, and you've got a fucking problem.

Nationalreview.com, Anncoulter.com, Frontpagemag.com, Matthew Lohmeier's, "Irresistible Revolution" are calling much of what is being taught outright lies.
As for student funding, I'd like families to be able to choose alternatives to public school with the $14K. School vouchers sort of thing.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Really? Guy is in the crowd peacefully protesting. Undercover FBI walks up to him and says we need to get in there and really be heard! Look! There's an open door right there and the police are actually inviting people in. So, guy, who otherwise would not commit trespass, does so.

You sure you think you know what entrapment is?

That wasn't part of your initial argument. Your argument was Nancy Pelosi ordering there to be less security (which in itself is already stupid, but that's what we're going with). Having less security or even no security is not entrapment. A lack of security is not an invitation to trespass.

But you know, keep moving goal posts and making up theories in your head until you finally make a senario where nothing was the Trump supporters' fault and it was all the evil Democrats/BLM/Antifa,

Remember though, it wasn't the democrats chanting to hang Mike Pence and building a gallows, no matter what other conspiracy theories you may cling to.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Nationalreview.com, Anncoulter.com, Frontpagemag.com, Matthew Lohmeier's, "Irresistible Revolution" are calling much of what is being taught outright lies.

If anybody else had posted this, I'd've assumed they were being bluntly, obviously sarcastic.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Nationalreview.com, Anncoulter.com, Frontpagemag.com, Matthew Lohmeier's, "Irresistible Revolution" are calling much of what is being taught outright lies.

Have you considered that maybe they're all either lying themselves or repeating lies?