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A useless major if you ask me, I would defund it immediately if given the chance.
And it's anybody with any actual sense that would not put you in charge for a good reason. I am grateful for that. No one needs somebody like you making those type of decisions. Aside from a few others, that lack that same sense and are just full of pettiness.


So, reading the posts by various other users...this seems like a circle jerk of sorts. Outrage over outrage.

There's definitely been outrage over (supposed) sexualization in games - off the top of my head, there was when Fox News misrepresented Mass Effect as "a game about a man having sex with whomever he wants" (or something like that). On the other side, you get people descending into a frothing rage about Abby being too butch. And if you want another example of that, take the reaction to the new She-Ra, about not being feminine enough. But to get back to the "woke" side, then you also have complaints about there not being enough overweight characters, female or otherwise.

Frankly, it's boring.
One of the smartest answers in this thread.
 
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There's Leo. I think. And Thin Bob
But those two don't get skimpy. That's my issue! And Leo only might be a dude anyway.

I feel similar about all the skinny big brested women.

I mean, nothing against big breasts or skinny women but the combination often just feels ... wrong, even uncanny.
Not to mention how its murder on the back, from what I've been told.
 

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People are paying to go to college to get a job, they are paying for it, I am paying for it. How are gender studies relevant to today's economy.
People are paying to go to college to learn stuff, to play a role in the knowledge economy, and to become educated and well rounded people. It just so happens that those are also things that can lead to better jobs. Going to college simply because you believe it will get you a job is an incredibly stupid move, because if you end up doing something you aren't interested in and aren't good at you've wasted a huge amount of time and money. It's all very well to say everyone should do engineering degrees, but those are still only valuable if you graduate with a competitive grade.

Gender studies is an interdisciplinary field requiring a very high degree of theoretical literacy, which is why it's rarely taught to undergraduates at all (outside of a handful of repurposed women's studies departments in the US which are still largely following a women's studies curriculum). A modern gender studies curriculum will require developing an understanding of both the various disciplinary approaches represented in gender studies, but also the various external disciplines which have influenced those approaches. It requires the ability to very quickly absorb information from across the entire breadth of the human and social sciences. It also requires an unusual degree of critical thinking. All of these skills are transferrable to a huge range of sectors within the workforce.

Gender studies is particularly applicable to NGOs and the 3rd sector. Several of the people I graduated my MSc with ended up working for the UN or national civil service. Media and publishing is also quite naturally suited. Basically, any career that requires research or communication skills. Beyond that though, gender studies graduates are typically very welcome in any field that doesn't require specialized vocational training (and for the most part those fields don't tend to trust any college courses to impart the level of training they need, and expect independent demonstrations of ability).

Edit: Constant useless journal articles that are basically. Games marketed to males are bad, games marketed to males are bad.
If these articles are "useless", why do they matter so much to you?

Like, academics who talk about games are, in general, a tiny tiny fringe, because academia tends to be quite prejudiced against discussing popular culture at all. Those academics who do talk about games tend to be those who have a personal as well as a professional interest in games, which means that if anything games tend to be treated unusually positively in academic work. I'm not denying that there are articles talking about the negative effect of games (although they seldom do so in terms of "games marketed to males are bad", especially not in gender studies because that's marketing) but I don't think you have the slightest clue of the actual situation.

I just went on my university library account and searched for the terms "gender" and "gaming", then I searched for "gender" and "video games". I have so far not found a single article arguing that "games marketed to males are bad". The vast majority of material talking about sexism isn't talking about representation at all, but about specific communities or the industry itself (for example, there's one article on the attitudes towards gender in the r/gaming subreddit, and several talking about the identity politics around "casual gamers"). When it is talking about representation, it's typically either positive (games can help young trans people explore ideas of gender) or nuanced (representations in games don't seem to effect adolescents attitudes towards gender, but boys and girls interpret the representation they see differently). Just for fun, I searched for "dead or alive 5" and "dead or alive 6". Zero academic articles for either, just a couple of news articles.

I don't know who told you what gender studies was, what people in gender studies do, or that gender studies academics are on some crusade against video games for some reason, but it's just not true. Noone of any real importance actually cares about games at all, it's an embarrassing little hobby in which grown adults play with toys.
 
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Right, but DOA isn't an example of these sensibly designed female characters that you said were equally targeted by the media. DOA is pretty highly sexualised.
Oddly I'd argue only 3 of the female characters in DOA count as more sexualised in their default looks compared to reality. They would be Kasumi Ayane and Christie's jacket costume.

Most of the others are in line with actual women IRL and their attires.

Yes even Tina Armstrong.

Meanwhile, a female character gets a redesign that makes her breasts appear smaller, and apparently this is a ploy by the SJWs and feminists.


We all know that a woman-shaped group of polygons having smaller virtual tits is just one more step towards the womyn cutting off our balls and making us hold their purses.
Wasn't it found that Square Enix found actually has a divisions called something like "Ethics and sensibilities department" who actually put a mandate in place to tone Tifa down a bit?

To quote Liana K again "Some women have big boobs, get over it".

Diversity of thought for me but not for thee
That doesn't breed diversity of thought though lol. You only have to look into it a bit and it's a lot of large quotes of other peoples work and falling in line with consensus among peers and from people deemed authority figures. Now I'm not saying more core STEM is that much better there's still stuff like that goes on but it generally sees stuff more openly challenged and it's down to about 10 years for new ideas going against the normal to break through as such.
 

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And the redesign of Tifa's boobs was barely noticable.
I mean Genna Bain (wife on Totalbiscuit) noticed when it was revealed.

Again, could I get some examples of this?

Because Tifa was a prime example of the SJW feminists supposedly coming for the hot babes, eventhough Tifa still looked traditionally hot, had traditionally big boobs, and showed a lot of skin. All those anime games are still doing their hot sexy waifu thing unobstructed.
No they're not at least not on Sony consoles where there are changes or censorship called for. But apparently Abby having sex in the back of a van or where ever it was, was seen as perfectly fine. And the teenagers having sex in Life is Strange 2.

Lmao, even if this were true:
A) Diversity of thought even includes thought you don't like
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B) Putting a paper out in a journal that a dozen people are gonna read isn't exactly stopping the release of Bayonetta 3 my dude. We just had a fantastically broken "AAA" game that came out who's most hilarious bug was that it couldn't keep your character's fully rendered penis from clipping out your pants. 15 years ago, Hot Coffee caused lawsuits, nowadays sex games are on Steam

The "outrage" about sex in games has certainly changed, it's just been rocketing into way more permissible as long as we aren't sexing up kids.
That's like arguing because Nymphomaniac (the quite well regarded indie film series) got a cinema release there's no issue with toning down in cinemas........... it entirely ignores that it's release and all showings were at 11pm and 12pm in cinemas for 1 week only lol.
Oh and yet there has been a sort of toning down


Exactly! And for what it's worth, I'd be a little less irked by the endless parade of mega-skimpy female outfits if I could also have equally skimpy male outfits.

But nooooo, I have to minimise my game and open another tab if I want to look at man-ass. It's discriminatory I tell you!
Points at Tekken's swimsuit DLC
There you go. Male characters get Speedos too.

Hell actually didn't Jan Lee in one DOA game get a sexy butler costume or something?


Again, could I get some examples of this?

Because Tifa was a prime example of the SJW feminists supposedly coming for the hot babes, eventhough Tifa still looked traditionally hot, had traditionally big boobs, and showed a lot of skin. All those anime games are still doing their hot sexy waifu thing unobstructed.
Female Ryder's motion capture model vs the in game
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Male Ryder's motion capture model vs the in game male Ryder in Mass Effect Andromeda?

The rather large amount of yelling over Yoko Taro's 2B
 

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On what planet do you think a gender studies major is marketable. The average Liberal art studies according to the New York Fed has a 59.5% underemployment rate.


Where did you get your evidence from? Antia Sarkisian?

Many majors supposedly give you the "skills" to succeed in the workplace but there has been a skills mismatch due to idiots picking gender studies, art history, and sociology degrees. (Add anthropology as well)



NGOs, and the UN lol. Basically the playthings of rich billionaires, and out of touched bureaucrats. Most people in the UN needed to speak multiple languages, and same with NGOs who demand you have marketable software skills, and experience.

And it's anybody with any actual sense that would not put you in charge for a good reason. I am grateful for that. No one needs somebody like you making those type of decisions. Aside from a few others, that lack that same sense and are just full of pettiness.



One of the smartest answers in this thread.
I don't have to lift a finger; politicos from Obama to the Japenese Government to the State government of Flordia are targeting bad majors. And good, we don't need colleges getting a worse reputation than they already are of jackasses touching people a bunch of non-marketable skills.




By the way, if you put critical thinking on your resume you are not getting hired.
 

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On what planet do you think a gender studies major is marketable. The average Liberal art studies according to the New York Fed has a 59.5% underemployment rate.


Where did you get your evidence from? Antia Sarkisian?

Many majors supposedly give you the "skills" to succeed in the workplace but there has been a skills mismatch due to idiots picking gender studies, art history, and sociology degrees. (Add anthropology as well)



NGOs, and the UN lol. Basically the playthings of rich billionaires, and out of touched bureaucrats. Most people in the UN needed to speak multiple languages, and same with NGOs who demand you have marketable software skills, and experience.



I don't have to lift a finger; politicos from Obama to the Japenese Government to the State government of Flordia are targeting bad majors. And good, we don't need colleges getting a worse reputation than they already are of jackasses touching people a bunch of non-marketable skills.




By the way, if you put critical thinking on your resume you are not getting hired.
Whatever.
 

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On what planet do you think a gender studies major is marketable. The average Liberal art studies according to the New York Fed has a 59.5% underemployment rate.


Where did you get your evidence from? Antia Sarkisian?

Many majors supposedly give you the "skills" to succeed in the workplace but there has been a skills mismatch due to idiots picking gender studies, art history, and sociology degrees. (Add anthropology as well)



NGOs, and the UN lol. Basically the playthings of rich billionaires, and out of touched bureaucrats. Most people in the UN needed to speak multiple languages, and same with NGOs who demand you have marketable software skills, and experience.



I don't have to lift a finger; politicos from Obama to the Japenese Government to the State government of Flordia are targeting bad majors. And good, we don't need colleges getting a worse reputation than they already are of jackasses touching people a bunch of non-marketable skills.




By the way, if you put critical thinking on your resume you are not getting hired.
Lmao, just chucking that Diversity of Thought argument directly under the bus, huh.

Fuck's sake dude, do I need to start linking you to Steam Porn?
 
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By the way, if you put critical thinking on your resume you are not getting hired.
The rest of your post is so stuck up its own STEM-only cheerleading behind that it's not worth addressing, but I particularly wanted to call out how nonsensical and objectively false this statement is.

Source: I just left my job a couple weeks ago and am starting a new one soon. My resume (and template cover letter for that matter) when applying to places included the phrase "critical thinking and problem solving skills" as a strength. My first job offer was received in under 30 days from starting to look and I had multiple offers in hand before I ended up choosing the one I liked best.
 
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The rest of your post is so stuck up its own STEM-only cheerleading behind that it's not worth addressing, but I particularly wanted to call out how nonsensical and objectively false this statement is.

Source: I just left my job a couple weeks ago and am starting a new one soon. My resume (and template cover letter for that matter) when applying to places included the phrase "critical thinking and problem solving skills" as a strength. My first job offer was received in under 30 days from starting to look and I had multiple offers in hand before I ended up choosing the one I liked best.
That's only because millennials are quitting their jobs at record rates.

Also anecdotal evidence.

You must live in a large city. Try doing that in Columbus Ohio where I live.

Edit: LOL "Stem" cheerleading"

Here is a list of in-demand degrees that aren't STEM.

Education

Special Education

Nursing

Elementary Education

Construction Services

Treatment Therapy

Social Services
 
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Lmao, just chucking that Diversity of Thought argument directly under the bus, huh.

Fuck's sake dude, do I need to start linking you to Steam Porn?
Except we've reached the point where some-one has to point out the emperor has no clothes on. Certain departments are so sure they're right and everyone else is the problem they've started to trying to destroy the idea of diversity of thought and undermine the other departments work when said other departments work holds up so they've then sifted to trying to claim reality itself was wrong. It gets worse though because so often it's like people trying to play at the big table rather than make a table for their own subject to be respected. So much bullshit passed off as Science and sometimes even getting funding by pretending to be Scientists then publishing "The feminist approach to glaciology" at the end.

Also the departments are kept running by generating money off students and just basically being used to funnel money in which because they have so little overheads you get to watch those departments end up with every student being given Ipads or some such madness while other departments equipment is somehow stuff from the 1950s to 1970s that through sheer force of will and determination staff have managed to keep running because they can't afford to actually replace it.

As for Steam Porn:

1) What because it exists it somehow invalidates all arguments including Sony's recent history of censorship?
2) Even if you want to argue (1) then you have to explain the Waifupocalypse that nearly happened and groups like the NCOSE were claiming responsibility and weirdly people saying they were totally not against porn now on twitter at the time were cheering and going "Oh poor incels cry more" or similar sentiments. The games you're on about were nearly all pulled / banned from Steam,
 
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The rest of your post is so stuck up its own STEM-only cheerleading behind that it's not worth addressing, but I particularly wanted to call out how nonsensical and objectively false this statement is.
Only Stuck up because Gender Studies departments want to be accepted as STEM level validity but refuse to put in the work and actually having standards.
Hell Social Science department have better standards than Gender Studies and their margin for significance is a 0.3 correlation or above while gender studies have a 0.00000001 or above correlation before claiming their results show something lol

Source: I just left my job a couple weeks ago and am starting a new one soon. My resume (and template cover letter for that matter) when applying to places included the phrase "critical thinking and problem solving skills" as a strength. My first job offer was received in under 30 days from starting to look and I had multiple offers in hand before I ended up choosing the one I liked best.
Congrats on the job at Starbucks
 
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To quote Liana K again "Some women have big boobs, get over it".
Tifa in the remake has big boobs.

Like, if she was a real person, she would not be able to buy bras in a shop, and would have to order them online. I know because she basically has the same body shape as my partner.

That said, I feel like remake Tifa is actually an huge step up in representation for the tiny minority of skinny women with massive boobs (assuming such representation is needed) because her default outfit includes a sports bra. If there's anything that's likely to actually resonate with real life people who have big boobs and make them feel seen, it's going to be the experience of having to wear a sports bra to do anything athletic.

Apologies to the Rogue Wolf who I originally quoted by mistake.

Here is a list of in-demand degrees that aren't STEM.
You really have given absolutely zero thought to the reason why these professions (not degrees) are in demand.

It's because they're understaffed, because they're extremely difficult professions which are not nearly well compensated enough to justify the difficulty, and thus many people who get into them quit.

If you want a degree that is actually extremely valuable and will give you meaningful career choice. Modern foreign languages (specifically, difficult languages which represent large international markets, like Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Arabic). It's not just that knowing these languages is incredibly useful. Everyone knows that language degrees are extremely difficult, so it basically proves you have incredible work ethic.

Of course, if you don't have incredible work ethic and you're not really passionate about the language and culture you're learning, you're gonna die out there, but that's why you should probably do a degree you know you can excel at. At the end of the day most employers don't care what degree you did, they care about the grade you got and the transferable skills you learned, and once you've had your first graduate job they don't even really care about that.
 
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Tifa in the remake has big boobs.

Like, if she was a real person, she would not be able to buy bras in a shop, and would have to order them online. I know because she basically has the same body shape as my partner.

That said, I feel like remake Tifa is actually an huge step up in representation for the tiny minority of skinny women with massive boobs (assuming such representation is needed) because her default outfit includes a sports bra. If there's anything that's likely to actually resonate with real life people who have big boobs and make them feel seen, it's going to be the experience of having to wear a sports bra to do anything athletic.

Apologies to the Rogue Wolf who I originally quoted by mistake.
It's also a world where people and throw lightening bolts and a guy can easily swing a sword with 1 hand that's taller and broader than he is.

I dunno how much the the idea of realism in Tifa's breasts fits in lol


You really have given absolutely zero thought to the reason why these professions (not degrees) are in demand.

It's because they're understaffed, because they're extremely difficult professions which are not nearly well compensated enough to justify the difficulty, and thus many people who get into them quit.

If you want a degree that is actually extremely valuable and will give you meaningful career choice. Modern foreign languages (specifically, difficult languages which represent large international markets, like Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Arabic). It's not just that knowing these languages is incredibly useful. Everyone knows that language degrees are extremely difficult, so it basically proves you have incredible work ethic.

Of course, if you don't have incredible work ethic and you're not really passionate about the language and culture you're learning, you're gonna die out there, but that's why you should probably do a degree you know you can excel at. At the end of the day most employers don't care what degree you did, they care about the grade you got and the transferable skills you learned, and once you've had your first graduate job they don't even really care about that.
You'd probably have a better go arguing they are Stem or close to it.

Nursing = Medical Science / Biology
Education = Psychology with a minor in Psychological warfare techniques (trust me)
Social Care = a bit of psychology, a bit of pharmaceuticals and a bit of biology.
Construction = Basic Engineering
Treatment Therapy = Physiology, Biology and basic Psychology
 

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Tifa in the remake has big boobs.

Like, if she was a real person, she would not be able to buy bras in a shop, and would have to order them online. I know because she basically has the same body shape as my partner.

That said, I feel like remake Tifa is actually an huge step up in representation for the tiny minority of skinny women with massive boobs (assuming such representation is needed) because her default outfit includes a sports bra. If there's anything that's likely to actually resonate with real life people who have big boobs and make them feel seen, it's going to be the experience of having to wear a sports bra to do anything athletic.

Apologies to the Rogue Wolf who I originally quoted by mistake.



You really have given absolutely zero thought to the reason why these professions (not degrees) are in demand.

It's because they're understaffed, because they're extremely difficult professions which are not nearly well compensated enough to justify the difficulty, and thus many people who get into them quit.

If you want a degree that is actually extremely valuable and will give you meaningful career choice. Modern foreign languages (specifically, difficult languages which represent large international markets, like Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Arabic). It's not just that knowing these languages is incredibly useful. Everyone knows that language degrees are extremely difficult, so it basically proves you have incredible work ethic.

Of course, if you don't have incredible work ethic and you're not really passionate about the language and culture you're learning, you're gonna die out there, but that's why you should probably do a degree you know you can excel at. At the end of the day most employers don't care what degree you did, they care about the grade you got and the transferable skills you learned, and once you've had your first graduate job they don't even really care about that.
A job is a job, I would argue education is much easier than engineering, or computer science. Same with nursing.
 

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A job is a job, I would argue education is much easier than engineering, or computer science. Same with nursing.
I'll take Engineering or computer Science over 86 hour weeks and psychological warfare techniques that my teaching experience was made up of. There's a reason there's a reason 80% leave the profession within 5 years and 70% of those who remain become what would be classed in a clinical sense as alcohol dependent or outright addicted.