Joe Biden announces Kamala Harris as running mate.

Recommended Videos
Status
Not open for further replies.

Worgen

Follower of the Glorious Sun Butt.
Legacy
Apr 1, 2009
15,526
4,295
118
Gender
Whatever, just wash your hands.
The debates are inevitably going to reference the protests and BLM, and you need someone like Harris to say Black Lives Matter and get Pence to disagree. Warren wouldn't have the same impact.
Yeah, but I'm just talking personal preference, not political efficiency.
 

Hades

Elite Member
Mar 8, 2013
2,649
2,031
118
Country
The Netherlands
I think a lot of people are going to lose their mind should Biden win and eventually die in office.

Obama was vilified for daring to be president despite being black. Can you imagine how people would react when America gets a president that's both black AND a woman?

I do have some reservations about this. With her apparent past as some super strict attorney she isn't exactly the olive branch to the Sanders voters that's required.
 

Aegix Drakan

♪ Megalovania is a genre ♪
Legacy
Apr 30, 2020
174
132
48
Canada
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
I don't think doubling the history of serving the prison industrial complex on the ticket is terrifically safe unless we take 'safe' only to mean boring.
That's exactly what I mean.

"Oh good, she won't upset the donors, she's not for anything the people want AND she's a woman of color so we can say how BRAVE AND PROGRESSIVE we are for picking her and if biden loses we can say that the Left didn't turn up because they're all racists and sexists and trump supporters!".

Ah yes, the campaign full of insane Clinton drones gets to effectively run the party. Who would have guessed that the Democrats would choose to learn nothing for four years? Whatever. Fuck the police.
Their careers and cushy positions depend on them not learning anything. So, they won't.
 

Tireseas

Plaguegirl
Legacy
Apr 24, 2020
262
117
48
Seattle
Country
United States
Gender
Trans Woman
Not who I would have gone with, but not indefensible and definitely not the worst person on the short list. It was likely to be a black woman largely due to (a) Biden's pledge to have a woman VP nominee and (b) fairly actively pressure to pick a woman of color as a VP nominee due to both the moment and overt pressure from certain members of Democratic leadership (Amy Klobuchar being the most overt example) both as a strategic and moral imperative.

She actually ticks a fair amount of boxes that make her a good pick overall:

1) She's a US Senator. She's already been on the national stage and has worked in the Senate for several years, which would be very attractive to Biden as one of the longest serving members of that body. Furthermore, her seat is relatively safe so it is likely her victory will not imperil a Democratic Senate majority.

2) She's not afraid to go on the attack (as the debates showed).

3) She (younger, woman of color focused on domestic issues) a very direct contrast to Biden (older, white male focused on foreign policy) without appearing out of step with him on core issues of the party.

4) She's progressive without running into more politically dangerous waters that many activists prefer. She coauthored a plan with Sanders and Markey to provide $2,000 per person to families under $100k in income as part of the COVID-19 economic response and signed onto a version of Sander's Medicare for All plan without eliminating private insurers (which is a more politically popular option than elimination of private insurance). On matters relating to policing, she's called for reforms without taking a stance on the issue of police funding. She's progressive without giving the message that Biden will beholden to the most extreme activists, something Trump is already trying to do.

5) She's a woman of color, which accomplishes multiple objectives in that she can help turnout a key democratic constituency (black women are the most loyal democratic demographic block and make up a substantial portion of the leadership of the party). She also would be the most senior Asian-American in elected office.

I think a lot of people are going to lose their mind should Biden win and eventually die in office.

Obama was vilified for daring to be president despite being black. Can you imagine how people would react when America gets a president that's both black AND a woman?

I do have some reservations about this. With her apparent past as some super strict attorney she isn't exactly the olive branch to the Sanders voters that's required.
I think it's important to remember that the modern notion of the progressive prosecutor as someone who hold back on prosecutions is an extremely new concept, really only gaining traction (i.e. winning) in the 2016 and 2018 election cycles. Her record as a DA in San Francisco in 2003 (where first black women elected to a DA position in all of California) and AG of California in 2011 is mixed, with some actions being less strict than others and her positions sometimes being inconsistent within even close temporal proximity (notably regarding the death penalty where she declined to pursue it in one case involving the murder of a SFPD office but also declined to back an initiative to ban the death penalty in California. Her most notable achievements involved an online records database of police conduct in California. That said, she was a black women running for political office, and the DA and AG positions in particular, meaning she had a narrow path to be politically viable (she won the runoff in 2003 and one by less than 1 percent in 2010). She would win overwhelmingly in the 2016 primary and later in the general election in no small part due to her existing statewide office holder position as AG.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Avnger and Worgen

Specter Von Baren

Annoying Green Gadfly
Legacy
Aug 25, 2013
5,637
2,859
118
I don't know, send help!
Country
USA
Gender
Cuttlefish
Ya know we've known about this for a while right?

I think a lot of people are going to lose their mind should Biden win and eventually die in office.

Obama was vilified for daring to be president despite being black. Can you imagine how people would react when America gets a president that's both black AND a woman?

I do have some reservations about this. With her apparent past as some super strict attorney she isn't exactly the olive branch to the Sanders voters that's required.
Can we stop with this revisionist bull shit? Or did you live under a rock during our 2008 election? Or maybe the only news station from the US you guys get over there comes directly from the KKK? This stupid freaking excuse for what was wrong with Obama, "OH IT'S WACISM!!!!" being used every single time someone has a problem with someone who's black. Get over yourself.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Leg End

Gergar12

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 24, 2020
4,385
931
118
Country
United States
Good, at least Warren didn't get it. She...

Called Bernie a Sexist
Waivered on Medicare 4 All with a delay on the full implementation
Divided progressive votes
Her voters are more annoying than Khive

With Warren, I would have changed my vote of likely to vote for Biden to staying at home in a critical swing-state where it's basically 50 -50. That's how much I hate Warren.
 

Eacaraxe

Elite Member
Legacy
May 28, 2020
1,755
1,318
118
Country
United States
The debates are inevitably going to reference the protests and BLM, and you need someone like Harris to say Black Lives Matter and get Pence to disagree. Warren wouldn't have the same impact.
Harris' debate style plays incredibly poorly to anyone outside the "yas kween slay" crowd, and Tulsi was able to leave Harris' campaign a smoking crater in thirty seconds flat. As an Indiana resident I've had to listen to Pence for years before most anyone else in the country, and I can tell you he is no slouch as a debater. Remember four years ago he went on the debate stage with Tim Kaine and made him look like a squat-faced child for an hour and a half. The last thing you want as a Democratic voter, is Harris debating Pence.

And if you want to talk about debate footage, now we get to see Harris' attacks on Biden during the debate on every GOP attack ad from here until November.
 
  • Like
Reactions: crimson5pheonix

Worgen

Follower of the Glorious Sun Butt.
Legacy
Apr 1, 2009
15,526
4,295
118
Gender
Whatever, just wash your hands.
Ya know we've known about this for a while right?

Can we stop with this revisionist bull shit? Or did you live under a rock during our 2008 election? Or maybe the only news station from the US you guys get over there comes directly from the KKK? This stupid freaking excuse for what was wrong with Obama, "OH IT'S WACISM!!!!" being used every single time someone has a problem with someone who's black. Get over yourself.
Of course we can't, these are lefties. They are convinced the democratic party is 100 times worse then the republicans and if the republicans continue to win over and over again they will somehow magically get their way.
 

SupahEwok

Malapropic Homophone
Legacy
Jun 24, 2010
4,028
1,401
118
Country
Texas
4) She's progressive without running into more politically dangerous waters that many activists prefer.
Don't think that's a draw. Her prosecutorial/attorney general record on criminal justice is far too muddled for progressives to believe her, given this summer's political climate, no matter what else she's done, and no matter the justification of "it was politically expedient". From what I've observed from other progressives, anyway.

Edit:
Of course we can't, these are lefties. They are convinced the democratic party is 100 times worse then the republicans and if the republicans continue to win over and over again they will somehow magically get their way.
🧂
 

Trunkage

Nascent Orca
Legacy
Jun 21, 2012
9,370
3,163
118
Brisbane
Gender
Cyborg
Ya know we've known about this for a while right?



Can we stop with this revisionist bull shit? Or did you live under a rock during our 2008 election? Or maybe the only news station from the US you guys get over there comes directly from the KKK? This stupid freaking excuse for what was wrong with Obama, "OH IT'S WACISM!!!!" being used every single time someone has a problem with someone who's black. Get over yourself.
There was a whole bunch of racist attacks on Obama.

It also wasn’t every American. In factm it was just a vocal minority. (Minorities numbering in the millions because of the size of America but still definitely a minority.)

it’s not revisionist history. It’s just fact. Sorry it hurts your feelings.

It would also be really great if whenever some uses the word ‘racist’ that you don’t take it as a personal attack. So to clarify, I think there were plenty of racists attack against Obama. I’m not attacking you, I’m attacking the racist remarks on Obama. Defending actual racist because you’re getting offended on their behalf is silly

Claiming there is no racism is about as blatantly wrong as claiming all white people are racists. I have attacked Obama on many of his policies. I don’t think he was a good president
I’ve never once been called a racist when criticizing him. It’s not HARD to say a critique in a way that not racist. Maybe they just need some practice.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zeke davis

Specter Von Baren

Annoying Green Gadfly
Legacy
Aug 25, 2013
5,637
2,859
118
I don't know, send help!
Country
USA
Gender
Cuttlefish
There was a whole bunch of racist attacks on Obama.

It also wasn’t every American. In factm it was just a vocal minority. (Minorities numbering in the millions because of the size of America but still definitely a minority.)

it’s not revisionist history. It’s just fact. Sorry it hurts your feelings.
You say, "It was a vocal minority" proving my point, then say someone making it out as if the whole country was out to lynch him isn't being revisionist? Because I remember that election, I remember a HUGE surge of positivity for Obama. EVERYONE seemed to be excited for his presidency and the marketing was gigantic and after he got elected he was all over the place. Does this look like the kind of thing you'd expect to see from a nation that was on fire because of the white man combo-breaker?



It would also be really great if whenever some uses the word ‘racist’ that you don’t take it as a personal attack. So to clarify, I think there were plenty of racists attack against Obama. I’m not attacking you, I’m attacking the racist remarks on Obama. Defending actual racist because you’re getting offended on their behalf is silly
????????? Yeah, because me getting pissed that people won't hold Obama responsible for his crap presidency by playing the race card all the time has anything to do with me feeling attacked? What a bizarre take.

Claiming there is no racism is about as blatantly wrong as claiming all white people are racists. I have attacked Obama on many of his policies. I don’t think he was a good president
I’ve never once been called a racist when criticizing him. It’s not HARD to say a critique in a way that not racist. Maybe they just need some practice.
"Obama was vilified for daring to be president despite being black. Can you imagine how people would react when America gets a president that's both black AND a woman? "

Does this sound like the phrase of someone saying, "Yeah this racist minority were a bunch of jerks"? No, this is the phrase of someone saying the country was up in arms over a black man daring to be elected president.
 

fOx

Elite Member
Aug 26, 2017
583
401
68
Country
United States
Under the circumstances, I'm quite pleased with kamala. She has promised to use executive orders to bypass out ineffectual congress, and get things done properly. Without the milstone that is the endless debate and argument in the senate and house, the people who know what is best for the country can simply try to pass orders that are for the betterment of society. I'm also a fan of her history as a DA, using the prosecutors office to strongly encourage citizens to take responsibility for themselves and their families. In the case of prison reform, she gave prisoners the opportunity to earn an income while being incarcerated. As they say, work makes you free. I think that this is something she understands. Given the circumstances, I think she's a good candidate to unify the country and steer america in a stronger direction.
 

Seanchaidh

Elite Member
Legacy
Mar 21, 2009
6,132
3,706
118
Country
United States of America
I'm also a fan of her history as a DA, using the prosecutors office to strongly encourage citizens to take responsibility for themselves and their families. In the case of prison reform, she gave prisoners the opportunity to earn an income while being incarcerated. As they say, work makes you free.
Oh, indeed.
 

Dirty Hipsters

This is how we praise the sun!
Legacy
Feb 7, 2011
8,802
3,383
118
Country
'Merica
Gender
3 children in a trench coat
Under the circumstances, I'm quite pleased with kamala. She has promised to use executive orders to bypass out ineffectual congress, and get things done properly. Without the milstone that is the endless debate and argument in the senate and house, the people who know what is best for the country can simply try to pass orders that are for the betterment of society.
YEAH, FUCK CHECKS AND BALANCES!

This is why Trump is doing such a great job. None of us are at all sick of poorly thought out executive orders. Keep 'em coming!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.