Joe Biden announces Kamala Harris as running mate.

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Agema

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I wouldn't recommend canvassing for Kamala with the top right one - you'd be in the wrong country. (I'm pretty sure that's the UK from the style of building, police garb, and absence of vast quantities of guns.)
 

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If you pledge to betray someone, then surely it isn't a betrayal?
What would you call it when Biden's caught on mic pledging behind closed doors to donors nothing will fundamentally change and apologizing for the appearance of his platform, and stacking his campaign with lobbyists and think tank weasels, while his campaign publicly touts "ThE mOsT pRoGrEsSiVe PlAtFoRm EvEr!"?

That's not just his now-infamous "nothing will fundamentally change" speech last year, that was a month ago.

"It's not going to require legislation. I'm not proposing any...I'm not one of those guys who thinks government knows best, but let me tell you something, think of what we can do in terms of investing in off-shore wind. There's a lot of steel we can make, man...The essence is that you've got to build the country back, build back better, give people an opportunity for a decent wage...I hope I don't offend and of you with that but I think it's totally consistent with a market economy moving forward."

In other words, he expects the people who destroyed the country in the first place, enabled by decades' of deregulation they paid him and other Congresspeople a lot of money to pass, to...just do the right thing, absent legislation. And he's sorry he feels that way.

And you're goddamn right that's in the context of stimulus and post-pandemic economic planning. That'd be the one where major industries have received ten trillion dollars' worth of combined bailout in the span of six months with no strings attached and no accountability by design, while the other 325 million Americans have had to make do with $1,200 bucks per tax filer and $500 per dependent, with zero federal protection for housing, food, or even health care in the middle of a global pandemic. The same one where the US health care industry's profit margins have shot completely through the goddamn roof.

Biden's environmental plan has 20 times the funds allocated to it than Clinton's. Then there's the universally-available public healthcare option. I'd say those are some pretty major differences.
We went over that in the Biden task force thread. Do we have to go over it again?
 

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I wouldn't recommend canvassing for Kamala with the top right one - you'd be in the wrong country. (I'm pretty sure that's the UK from the style of building, police garb, and absence of vast quantities of guns.)
Maybe they're Americans visiting overseas and just need to be reminded of their civic duty.
 

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What would you call it when Biden's caught on mic [...]
It was a joke based on the wording. If he says he's going to betray someone, then betraying that person is... fulfilling his word, and thus not a betrayal.

We went over that in the Biden task force thread. Do we have to go over it again?
You say that as if the discussion concluded neatly in your favour, rather than with both of us failing to convince the other.

And once was more than enough, but thank you for the offer.
 

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It was a joke based on the wording. If he says he's going to betray someone, then betraying that person is... fulfilling his word, and thus not a betrayal.
Unless he's telling two different groups of people contradictory and exclusive things, promising one group he doesn't mean anything he says to the other. Then it becomes not so much a joke, as serious cause for alarm for his intentions should be become president.
 

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Biden 2020. I don't think there's a huge policy distinction, so it's down to the person. Biden has flaws galore, but they're relatable, predictable flaws. He sticks his foot in his mouth, he lets his family get away with corruption, these are sympathetic flaws. Clinton's flaws are not normal people flaws. They're like psycho flaws. I voted a big "neither" in 2016, but there wasn't the tiniest chance of me voting Clinton with the footage of "we came, we saw, he died" floating about.
He also was pro drone strikes, killing about a thousand innocents, kids in cages, paying the Mexican military to abuse refugees and socialism for the rich. And that’s only in his last major tenure

I think he’s way closer to Clinton than your interpretation
 

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Not the worst person he could have picked, to be honest.
 

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It could have been Amy...
Frankly Klobuchar would have been a better pick. Biden's not been performing well in Minnesota polls the past month, barely being outside MoE, and the state's gone from "safe Democratic" to "likely Democratic" in that time. Yesterday's Emerson poll doesn't even show Biden leading outside the MoE. Picking Klobuchar would have helped shore up the vote in a state that may well turn out in the "battleground state" category before November.
 

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Frankly Klobuchar would have been a better pick. Biden's not been performing well in Minnesota polls the past month, barely being outside MoE, and the state's gone from "safe Democratic" to "likely Democratic" in that time. Yesterday's Emerson poll doesn't even show Biden leading outside the MoE. Picking Klobuchar would have helped shore up the vote in a state that may well turn out in the "battleground state" category before November.
I don’t think picking the person who released Chauvin on his last murder would have been a big selling point. Say what you will about Harris, she hasn’t caused massive riots across the country.
 

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I don’t think picking the person who released Chauvin on his last murder would have been a big selling point. Say what you will about Harris, she hasn’t caused massive riots across the country.
In not as few degrees of separation as Klobuchar, but Harris and the policies she supports very much has. Klobuchar also has the benefit of not having hours' worth of speech and debate footage of her openly mocking racial and economic justice protest, activists, and progressives, and attacking Biden on the primary debate stage for his Senate record on racial justice issues.

And, you best believe that is absolutely the angle GOP attack ads will take, using Harris' own words against her in battleground state ads. Because, frankly and I don't know any kinder way to put this, southern black voters aren't terribly relevant in general elections, however key they are to preserving conservative Democratic hegemony in primaries. It's the rust belt black voters that matter in the general since they're the ones in the battleground states, and the GOP's goal post is to make them stay home.
 

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Claiming there is no racism is about as blatantly wrong as claiming all white people are racists.
Yeah...remember when that wasn't a controversial statement? :(


On other news, does this mean that we get Biden for two terms, a Republican for one term, and then Kamala runs for president? I mean, history repeats itself sometimes...
 

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Yeah...remember when that wasn't a controversial statement? :(


On other news, does this mean that we get Biden for two terms, a Republican for one term, and then Kamala runs for president? I mean, history repeats itself sometimes...
Biden will not be alive in eight years.
 

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All white people are racist. So are all black, Asian, etc. people as well.

On the bright side, a great deal of individuals from any these groups are so minimally racist that it's not worth thinking of them that way.

Biden will not be alive in eight years.
Statistically, he's got a better than average chance of being alive in 8 years. He's 77, and the life expectancy for the richest Americans is 86 for men.

I seriously doubt he'll serve more than one term, though. It'll be better for Kamala if he does serve one term, because I think the US public seems to favour parties holding the presidency for no more than 8 years.
 
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