Well that's the nice thing about corruption, it doesn't matter who is upfront in the spotlight because the machine still churns down below.
Another Incident in Portland
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It's almost like the cops just want to kill people who oppose police brutality.
Oh, FEDERAL cops. That's alright then.
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Progressives would be better, but to even suggest Republicans would be a catastrophic mess given their current platform. Regardless of it is democrats or simply progressives, either party will go through hell just to deal with the level of the corruption there. It isn't going to be resolved easily.
True, but this has all taken place under the powers that be (and have been) for decades. Given that it just keeps happening...maybe the CPD needs a stronger hand holding the leash?
So, what would you recommend then? A complete reset?
I'd be down for that too, but I don't think it's going to happen any time soon. Far more likely to get a shift in government that trickles on down there.
It is difficult to do that as long as you have enough people involved in the area that are on board with the corruption keeping it going. You have to first elect anti corruption leaders that then pass anti corruption legislation and then do a crackdown on it on all levels, which necessarily means all hell breaking loose in the meantime because those involved are not going to be taken down easily. That is why these efforts fail more often than not.
This change has to happen from within rather than something that can even happen from the outside in order for it to work.
You can't expect that happening if the republicans controlled it as they currently are the MOST corrupt party we have right now. They aren't the only party with corruption, however, they are the party that is almost entirely corrupt currently, as they have actively been pushing out everyone who is not in the past couple of years.
ALSO: CPD is a huge part of the problem there, not the one needing a stronger hand.
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Stronger meaning what here? Because all I'm imagining is you just suggested a hand that's more supportive of any police in general
Right, when CPD is a huge part of the problem causing the corruption in the first place.
I actually suggested that in the post you quoted. The trickling down bit was meant to imply a top down approach, as opposed to just wiping everything out and starting over again. Apologies if that wasn't clear.
You seem to really dislike Republicans.
Personally, given the track record of Democrats in the area, I'd be completely willing to give some Reds a shot. Just to see what would happen. Progressives are generally...worrisome, but their hearts at least appear to be in the right place. So hey, give them a shot too. Not necessarily in that order either.
Maybe a coalition of sorts, leveraging each doctrine's strengths and minimizing their respective weaknesses for different elements of governance. But that'd require the parties involved to actually work together toward a common good.
So we're fucked.
I guess the analogy wasn't clear enough either.
I was suggesting the CPD were essentially a disobedient dog in need of proper and attentive supervision, seeing as they have a habit of biting people to death. Or inappropriately engaging with their balls, in the above case.
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It's important to specify cause some fools are off yelling at the local Police station claiming they killed him and how they want to burn that down cause they claim said cops are murderers when they had nothing to do with this one.
I really dislike CURRENT republicans. While I disagreed with Republicans like John McCain and Bush politics and whatnot previously, at least they were usually not intentionally trying to inflict harm upon the people. Current republican platform is exactly that. It intentionally inflicts harm upon the american people. It is an all out assault on the middle and lower class with promised " shock and awe" ACCORDING TO TRUMPS OWN WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS. This isn't coming from democrats or people that opposed him, this is coming from Trump's " Best people", from the people who help elect him and know him best and other republicans.
Of course I dislike Current republicans but that is due to the current republicans being more corrupt than we have ever had in any party in our history. It isn't that I view ALL conservatives that way. Why are the progressives worrisome? There are no strengths/ benefits to the GOP right now. The reason why the GOP is refusing to release their platform right now is it really IS that bad and is actually completely focused on grinding the middle and lower class into the dust. The plan for Trump's reelection is removing all assistance to the poor, eliminating healthcare for the poor, removing housing access to the poor, there is nothing remotely good about it. It is terrible. I am not " just saying this because I like democrats" or something, I am not even a democrat, but right now I understand that they are all we have to stop this from happening.
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All that electing a republican does in Chicago is have the money shift hands and corruption goes on as business as usual, if not worse due to the current state of the party itself. Any self respecting republican that had an ounce of decency is sitting out right now. I am not saying the democrats are not corrupt there, but pouring gasoline on the fire isn't going to help either. That is what electing a current republican there essentially does.
Progressives are the only option I see helping anything there right now because of the current state of both democrats and republicans in the area. Their current Mayor has only been in office since October, and has been in the middle of a pandemic so has not been able to focus on much else so I am not really seeing she has even had a chance to have a real impact on the corruption, though it seems likely she made a good first move by restricting the alderman's power there considering they have been at the center of so much previous corruption.
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I dunno, that interview looked to me like publicity for himself that his lawyer fed him so that he can mold public opinion in his favor. He didn't sound genuine.
I get saying "I thought the people with me would be stabbed so I shot this guy" but when you go on to actually add "people with me - people of color - were about to be stabbed!" that just sounds to me like a plea for support from the people who'd see protecting the lives of people of color as more notable than protecting the lives of random unspecific people.
Literally aiming for the support of racial-supremacists basically.
I mean, can we talk about the part where he believes his gun firing was the start of a civil war? And then go to the actual evidence, where he and his friends were yelling "here's a couple" because they were actively looking for right-wing people to murder. Which is to say, this guy went out with a gun hunting for the people he disagrees with hoping to start a civil war by murdering one.
If you're proudly counterprotesting BLM, you're not just "right wing", you're a white supremacist fascist.
My understanding is that these people were just there to counterprotest the looters. Are all of BLM looters or what? (also, freedom of speech, you get to be anything and you don't get shot in America, etc. etc.)
I actually didn't see that bit of it. Only saw a bit but I felt bad watching a guy who just died so I didn't delve too deeply. Sounds like a crazy guy haha. Makes sense he'd not go down without a fight.
No. And people "counterprotesting looters" just want an excuse to murder someone who is against police brutality.
Well, you get to be a white supremacist fascist, anyway.
And if you literally hunt down and murder people you think are fascists and then do an interview with Vice claiming it's the shot heard round the world, what does that make you?
Man, if only there were a way to record police in action, so that they could show the world how they fulfilled the pursuit of justice in the letter of the law and leave no room for ambiguity. Alas, such marvels of technology are beyond us...