10 year old girl Rapes 4 year old boy

[Plasticaprinae]

Child molestation of a another child is a real thing and is often overlooked. I am more concerned for the boy. the article wasnt clear on the severity of it, or how the boy is doing. It didn't say anything about the boy being distressed, but if the girl got in trouble for it, i am assuming that he was. He was 4, while she was 10, she is significantly stronger and smarter than him. But if this is about the parents just being distressed aobut examination of gentials, then it gets stupider.

I don't think the girl should necessarily be put in juvie, but she does need help and a talking to. I think she is disturbed. After all, juvie/jail doesn't fix anything when it comes to rehabilitation.

 

[Tanakh]

Establishing that it's possible she's started menstruation doesn't exactly lead to 'Therefore it's likely she was sexually motivated'.

No, it firmly establishes that she is, according to current knowledge, capable of feeling sexual desire and sexual pleasure; the post was in context with the quote because it seriously doubted it was a sexual act when it actually it's quite plausible.

I guess i should have posted "Therefore I find it quite likely it was sexually motivated", instead of "it is". Because the possibility of a 9yo girl feeling sexual desire is a not that rare fact, but the conclusion is my own.

 

[josemlopes]

This.

What she did was inappropriate but she was 9 years old, I seriously doubt it was sexually motivated or for the purposes of sexual gratification. She probably didnt understand the full implication of what she was actually doing.

She should be taught what is and isn't appropriate but inappropriate touching during a game of doctors doesn't really strike me as "aggravated sexual assault".

Edit: Given that this is the Escapist. Yes, I would think the same if it was a 9 year old boy.

Several things:

- Crimes can't be punished only if the active part "understand the full implication of her action", you seem to be suggesting otherwise. Of course the punishment can't be equal on a manslaughter or a murder for example, but both are crimes and bot are punished.

- A woman can have sexual desire and is perfectly capable of feeling it's pleasure since the endocrine system kicks in to release the appropriate neurotransmitters. It is debated when it precisely happens, but most sources indicate at the latest it starts with menstruation, which a 9yo is perfectly capable of so it is quite likely it was sexually motivated.

US does seem to be in need of a legislation over this, not the first case and won't be the last, but I disagree with those parts of your post.

But why call it rape, maybe the girl had the boys concent.

This is the definition of overthinking a subject, they are kids and she was probably just curious because she probably didnt even knew that boys had "weewees".

Even if she had sexual desires why the hell would she go after the D? Its a kid, at most she will just kiss the boy (and very likely not with tongue). Its not like she knows what an handjob is.

When it comes to rape and sexism people can be so anal sometimes...

 

[JoJo]

*sigh*

What a lot of people don't realise is that this sort of activity is entirely normal for children who haven't learn boundaries yet, despite what the law may say calling this 'rape' is very dubious. A lot of jurisdictions (particularly some US states, the UK to an extent too) need to get their act together and put proper guidelines in place so childhood exploration is dealt with by the parents or carers rather than the authorities. Involving the law only serves to stigmatise and traumatise children who didn't know what they were doing, which is the opposite of the law's original intention.

 

[Tanakh]

But why call it rape, maybe the girl had the boys concent.

This is the definition of overthinking a subject, they are kids and she was probably just curious because she probably didnt even knew that boys had "weewees".

Even if she had sexual desires why the hell would she go after the D? Its a kid, at most she will just kiss the boy (and very likely not with tongue). Its not like she knows what an handjob is.

When it comes to rape and sexism people can be so anal sometimes...

Minors can't consent, and overthinking? I guess you agree with how the whole case was developed then, because everything was done by the book as far as I could see.

My main point is: Underage people have sexuality, average start of it for girls seems to be 12 yo and for boys a bit later, and the current legislation does not deal with it properly. To avoid more cases like this an amendment would be nice, and I would like to avoid them because the way this was handled (again the proper way by law) seem to have just scarred the boy and the girl.

 

[Drake the Dragonheart]

Cute widdle Animal

Wow that certainly *yawn* looks scary It's to bad we don't have anything like that here...............Oh wait WE DO:

Game-set-match

Is that a flipping Koala? Tearing something to pieces? They're carnivores? What was that thing before it become lunch and torn-up hunk of meat? Don't you guys have something like 90% of the world's poisonous snakes down there as well?

Anyways, back on topic, the girl should be talked to and made to understand. Can she really be charged with anything? What have things come to that kids are now charged with sexual assault? What about the boy? Was he harmed at all? What damage if any has been done to him? I can't remember the last time I asked so many questions. Why am I asking so many questions?

 

[josemlopes]

But why call it rape, maybe the girl had the boys concent.

This is the definition of overthinking a subject, they are kids and she was probably just curious because she probably didnt even knew that boys had "weewees".

Even if she had sexual desires why the hell would she go after the D? Its a kid, at most she will just kiss the boy (and very likely not with tongue). Its not like she knows what an handjob is.

When it comes to rape and sexism people can be so anal sometimes...

Minors can't consent, and overthinking? I guess you agree with how the whole case was developed then, because everything was done by the book as far as I could see.

My main point is: Underage people have sexuality, average start of it for girls seems to be 12 yo and for boys a bit later, and the current legislation does not deal with it properly. To avoid more cases like this an amendment would be nice, and I would like to avoid them because the way this was handled (again the proper way by law) seem to have just scarred the boy and the girl.

For me the best thing to do would just let the parents explain to the kids whatever explanation there needs to be, in this situation I dont think that the cops had any reason to get involved.

 

[Colour Scientist]

While this may indeed be an incident of kids just being kids, I have to wonder if the sheer amount of over-sexualization of our media didn't have some impact on her behavior.

Or the over-sexualisation of our media is causing people to project their own sexual awareness on to a nine year old.

 

[Tanakh]

For me the best thing to do would just let the parents explain to the kids whatever explanation there needs to be, in this situation I dont think that the cops had any reason to get involved.

Then we would need to change the law, right? Because AFAIK right now the cops have a very good reason to get involved, the fucking law say it's their job to persecute any statutory rape.

 

[Abomination]

While this may indeed be an incident of kids just being kids, I have to wonder if the sheer amount of over-sexualization of our media didn't have some impact on her behavior.

As much as I suspect it probably had something to do with it I don't want any study revealing such.

Why? I don't want some Moms With First World Problems group or whatever influencing governments to introduce more prudish media law.

But definately not rape.

 

[Keiichi Morisato]

Wait, can you even charge a 9 year old?
At least in Sweden you have to be 15 to be charged with anything.

in America yes you can, and it happens quite often. what are you supposed to do when a 9 year old beats a homeless man to death, or kills someone purposefully? charge him like an adult and send him to the adult prison, separately of course, he'll be in confinement or something away from the adults but still. yes this HAS happened, a 9 year old a 13 year, and an 17 year old went on a crime spree in Florida and had killed several homeless men, they were found guilty and charge as an adult. they were unsympathetic for what they had done, and showed no remorse. so... what are you supposed to do? send them to their rooms with no supper?

 

[RJ 17]

Cute widdle Animal

Wow that certainly *yawn* looks scary It's to bad we don't have anything like that here...............Oh wait WE DO:

Game-set-match

Is that a flipping Koala? Tearing something to pieces? They're carnivores? What was that thing before it become lunch and torn-up hunk of meat? Don't you guys have something like 90% of the world's poisonous snakes down there as well?

Anyways, back on topic, the girl should be talked to and made to understand. Can she really be charged with anything? What have things come to that kids are now charged with sexual assault? What about the boy? Was he harmed at all? What damage if any has been done to him? I can't remember the last time I asked so many questions. Why am I asking so many questions?

Koala's have been known to charge at random...best not to go mean-muggin' them. o.o

OT: Sooooo curious kids playing a game of "show me yours and I'll show you mine"?

 

[Something Amyss]

- Crimes can't be punished only if the active part "understand the full implication of her action", you seem to be suggesting otherwise. Of course the punishment can't be equal on a manslaughter or a murder for example, but both are crimes and bot are punished.

One has to establish competence in the case of a child, generally.

And the US does usually have laws covering this already. Texas isn't known for letting that stop them from punishing people, though.

Or the over-sexualisation of our media is causing people to project their own sexual awareness on to a nine year old.

Or we're just so quick to "protect the children," even from other children, we'll do mental somersaults to justify action.

 

[Khanht Cope]

I basically clicked on this topic after reading the title out of some curiosity toward what the logistics were. Seems here it turned out to be an over-blown silly story (at least as the story makes it out). Unless there's a little more to it than the report is making out, it would have been a lot more appropriate for the neighbour to first inform the concerned parents, rather than the police.

Atm I consider the title to be click bait and recommend amending it to something more accurate and innocuous.

 

[CloudAtlas]

I guess the US legal system never fails to disappoint the rest of the civilized world looking for somewhat sordid entertainment. From 9 year old kids being charged with statutory rape over laughable product liability laws to Stand Your Ground, the US got it all.

 

[Tanakh]

I'm not seeing the evidence that most girls start it by 9. In fact a quick look at wiki says if it starts before that recent sources say it should be investigated(while older one say before 10). So right on the borderline doesn't seem very likely to be the most common age.

And then there's guessing that the motive was sexual pleasure. Just because she can feel it does not mean she will because she's touching him. So we have two possible things.

If we look at probabilities, if we call the first one even so much as high as 50% and the second is 90% then we'd get a 45% chance.

It's rather annoying to see people decide likelihood on feelings rather than reason.

Several things:

- I didn't said it was "the most common", I did said it was quite plausible. Again in the freaking context with the other post which find it unlikely.

- A scenario that has 45% on a crime investigation is very freaking likely! I am not arguing even that, she having sexual desire and forcing herself on the kid has 20% tops in my mind, not having additional data. If I think it's the most likely is just because the other scenarios have less than 20%.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

1. This girl is fucking NINE chances are she didnt even know what the fuck she was doing.
2. The police literally arrested a nine year old. That's just... like.... ok let me just repeat that. The police arrested a nine year old. Unless the kid is swinging around a knife or something throwing a tantrum, there's absolutely no reason a nine year old needs to be detained.
3. She's facing sexual assault charges? First of all, she didn't "rape" this other kid. She touched his penis or something. There was no malicious intent. At most, curiosity, but I doubt she had any idea what she was doing and I know for a fact he didn't. It was probably something like "look I have a weenie!" "cooool! can I touch it?" not some viscous sexual assault that's going to scar him for life. I'm sure this experience will be traumatic to the girl though.
4. I doubt she even conceptualizes that she's being punished. She just knows the police came and took her away and told her she couldn't leave. She's not going to process that as "I did something wrong" she's going to process it as "these horrible people took me away." If her parents yelled at her, told her why it was wrong, took away tv for a while, spanked her, whatever, it would be much better rationalized. Maybe AT MOST have the police contact the parents and tell them that this can't happen again. At least then the parents would know "hey I have to discipline my kid. I literally got a call from the fucking police about this." Even if they were those shitty kind of parents that let their kid run wild they would have to do something about it.

 

[Tanakh]

One has to establish competence in the case of a child, generally.

And the US does usually have laws covering this already. Texas isn't known for letting that stop them from punishing people, though.

Thus it would be desirable to change the legal practice in Texas, which is exactly my point. Because even if they need to establish competence, AFAIK the justice system is bound to try to build a case against the girl, aren't they?