Feh I don't care.
Do we really need to have the Supreme Court tied up over such a trivial matter?
Do we really need to have the Supreme Court tied up over such a trivial matter?
13-Year Old Girl, Strip Searched ; For what ?
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Well, we should have seen this coming. Let's be honest, the rights of teenagers and such have been stripped away in layers going back decades. Simply put kids in schools do not have ANY rights when it comes to what they can wear, what they can say, what they can draw, who they can touch (non-violently) or the privacy of their vehicles (on school property) or lockers.
To some extent this has been warrented by school violence, in other cases it's been a snowball effect related to poorly considered laws.
Truthfully I expect the Supreme Court to uphold this because I believe other cases involving schools have come before them, and this is simply a logical extension of what
they have already approved.
Not to mention the legitimate concerns here. What legitimate concerns you might ask? Well suspician of drugs or weapons come to mind, but also consider the liability issues for the school. In general schools want things set up so that the only medication that is administered comes from the school nurse and they can control what is going on.
Oh sure there are issues where they might not be able to tell what a given pill is without testing it (ie breaking open over the counter capsules, emptying them, and then filling them with drugs), but the bigger issue is that if a kid gives another student an asprin/motrin/whatever and they have a reaction to it, or a kid takes their own pill and has some kind of adverse reaction, or heck simply flat out takes the wrong med at the wrong time if they have multiple medications and are self-administering, then the school can be held liable.
Had a student given another student a painkiller and then had the kid die from a reaction to it, the first thing people would ask is "OMG, how did the school allow this to happen.".
The strip search in question probably being "justified" by the attitude of the student in question.
Truthfully I see less of an issue here overall than I do with students being expelled for drawing pictures of guns, or merely discussing violence, or whatever (ie Columbine era paranoia). At least here I see some legitimacy to the concerns, largely because I know EXACTLY how the liability train can play out, and schools are ultimatly covering their own backs by trying to ensure that any kind of drugs go through the school nurse.
Also, since it's been upheld that students can't dress the way they want, or express themselves freely, really I can't see this one being overturned. The basic attitude of the Supreme Court is simply that those under 18 have no rights whatsoever, constitutional protections of most things that matter only coming into affect when one hits legal adulthood. This of course does not apply in reverse anymore because nowadays kids can be tried as adults (and it's very easy to do so) while not enjoying the same protections. I used to support such attitudes a bit more when kids were more or less immune to serious prosecution. Even at 34 I feel that if a kid can in theory be given life in prison for a crime (holding that much responsibility for his/her actions) then they have the right to decide what the heck they are going to wear to school.
Apologies for the "shotgun" statement as I've branched this into a lot of issues that I feel are connected.
At any rate, the simple point is that I feel this strip search as susprisingly reasonable, but kids are treated unfairly in most rulings.
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To some extent this has been warrented by school violence, in other cases it's been a snowball effect related to poorly considered laws.
Truthfully I expect the Supreme Court to uphold this because I believe other cases involving schools have come before them, and this is simply a logical extension of what
they have already approved.
Not to mention the legitimate concerns here. What legitimate concerns you might ask? Well suspician of drugs or weapons come to mind, but also consider the liability issues for the school. In general schools want things set up so that the only medication that is administered comes from the school nurse and they can control what is going on.
Oh sure there are issues where they might not be able to tell what a given pill is without testing it (ie breaking open over the counter capsules, emptying them, and then filling them with drugs), but the bigger issue is that if a kid gives another student an asprin/motrin/whatever and they have a reaction to it, or a kid takes their own pill and has some kind of adverse reaction, or heck simply flat out takes the wrong med at the wrong time if they have multiple medications and are self-administering, then the school can be held liable.
Had a student given another student a painkiller and then had the kid die from a reaction to it, the first thing people would ask is "OMG, how did the school allow this to happen.".
The strip search in question probably being "justified" by the attitude of the student in question.
Truthfully I see less of an issue here overall than I do with students being expelled for drawing pictures of guns, or merely discussing violence, or whatever (ie Columbine era paranoia). At least here I see some legitimacy to the concerns, largely because I know EXACTLY how the liability train can play out, and schools are ultimatly covering their own backs by trying to ensure that any kind of drugs go through the school nurse.
Also, since it's been upheld that students can't dress the way they want, or express themselves freely, really I can't see this one being overturned. The basic attitude of the Supreme Court is simply that those under 18 have no rights whatsoever, constitutional protections of most things that matter only coming into affect when one hits legal adulthood. This of course does not apply in reverse anymore because nowadays kids can be tried as adults (and it's very easy to do so) while not enjoying the same protections. I used to support such attitudes a bit more when kids were more or less immune to serious prosecution. Even at 34 I feel that if a kid can in theory be given life in prison for a crime (holding that much responsibility for his/her actions) then they have the right to decide what the heck they are going to wear to school.
Apologies for the "shotgun" statement as I've branched this into a lot of issues that I feel are connected.
At any rate, the simple point is that I feel this strip search as susprisingly reasonable, but kids are treated unfairly in most rulings.
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What happen there was sexually harassment and highly illegal. Schools will ***** about "sexting" and have that a felony and making 14-17 year old who didn't do anything that bad be register as sex offenders. The US government will make a joke about Megan's Law by having kids arrested by having pics of a topless, or nude girl/boys there age (that they can legally have sex with) and making them register on the list. All this and more, yet a school can do THIS to anyone of any age for something that may not be true. Here r a some problems with this:
1) The people who stripped her are not law enforcement. Conducting searches of peoples belonging and THEIR BODIES THEMSELVES should only be from law enforcement.
2) Female or not, the nurse and the assistant are still able to commit sexual harassment on another female. (Females comment sex crimes as well as men)
3) The nurse was not committing a physical exam (which I don't think a school nurse can do) but a strip search. This goes out of her job limits.
4) A school can not break the law for any reason. Making someone strip naked against their will is breaking the law.
5) The parents were not noticed, nor were the police.
6) They check her locker, book bag, and clothes and found nothing. They should of let her get dress and leave, then it would be an over reaction. The parents would of been told and a small dispute (maybe), not the biggest deal. To have her then get naked and shake out the bra and panties, when way over the line. That's not over reacting, that's being abusive. The principle abused his power and her, for something anyone of us would know to be false after the partial strip search.
That was more then a few things wrong. In conclusion, the principle should be register as a sex offender, the nurse and assistant fired ,and maybe register as well, and a change of how much a school can do with discipline. Also on a somewhat relative note, end the sexting law. Sexting from your boy/girlfriend is child pornography but, THIS is allowed?! Stripping a student for any reason?! The legal system is going to hell, I rather move to Japan (I like Japan) then, continue living in a breaking America.
1) The people who stripped her are not law enforcement. Conducting searches of peoples belonging and THEIR BODIES THEMSELVES should only be from law enforcement.
2) Female or not, the nurse and the assistant are still able to commit sexual harassment on another female. (Females comment sex crimes as well as men)
3) The nurse was not committing a physical exam (which I don't think a school nurse can do) but a strip search. This goes out of her job limits.
4) A school can not break the law for any reason. Making someone strip naked against their will is breaking the law.
5) The parents were not noticed, nor were the police.
6) They check her locker, book bag, and clothes and found nothing. They should of let her get dress and leave, then it would be an over reaction. The parents would of been told and a small dispute (maybe), not the biggest deal. To have her then get naked and shake out the bra and panties, when way over the line. That's not over reacting, that's being abusive. The principle abused his power and her, for something anyone of us would know to be false after the partial strip search.
That was more then a few things wrong. In conclusion, the principle should be register as a sex offender, the nurse and assistant fired ,and maybe register as well, and a change of how much a school can do with discipline. Also on a somewhat relative note, end the sexting law. Sexting from your boy/girlfriend is child pornography but, THIS is allowed?! Stripping a student for any reason?! The legal system is going to hell, I rather move to Japan (I like Japan) then, continue living in a breaking America.
I really dislike the state of student rights. What ever happened to unalienable rights? You know the ones the nation was founded on...
I may still be in high school, but I am a law abiding citizen, I pay taxes, schools have no right to take away my rights in unreasonable ways. I have rights that should never be taken away, namely my right to property. I find confiscation of legal, but rule breaking objects idiotic. Also using other peoples property to incriminate people who have no reason for interest. Using phones to incriminate classmates based on text messages or dates is absurd. Schools overstep their boundaries all of the time and there needs to a precedent set that prevents it.The Declaration of Independence said:
Amen, couldn't have said it better myself except I'd rather stay here in Canada than move to Japan.lonercs said:
I can only imagine what they would have said if they found some Ibuprofin...
"PEELS HERE!"
Nah, on a serious note, that is completely fucked up. They shouldn't be allowed to do strip searches in schools. Well, they WEREN'T allowed, but they did anyway, all for some Ibuprofin.
"PEELS HERE!"
Nah, on a serious note, that is completely fucked up. They shouldn't be allowed to do strip searches in schools. Well, they WEREN'T allowed, but they did anyway, all for some Ibuprofin.
America is one of the most corrupt and disturbing fascist states in history.SyphonX said:
(No, it's not as bad as we all make it out to be, but things like this happen and it's terrible.)
It's obviously illegal but you don't have any rights in a school.
Jeezz... I hope the staff member who decided to search her was fired... And had their teaching license revoked. And issued a formal apology... AND ROTS IN A CELL
Wow, she should have just left and said "fuck of sicko". Seriously, schools should not have the ability to don anything even resembling a strip search. Boo hoo, some kids might get high, and we all know how terrible being high is right?
How the fuck did that fat guy in the suit even DARE try to talk the school out of this with his RIDICULOUS arguments?
Sentence that principal to death!
Sentence that principal to death!
This guy's obviously a douche who doesn't know what he's talking about.Ph0t0n1c Ph34r said:
It's pretty ridiculous that this happened, and I think parents should tell their children that if the school tells them to strip, absolutely refuse to do so unless they are present.
Well, once again we see what a great idea the Patriot Act was. I hope the supreme court doesn't agree with the school's BS.
5 year old case? Either the supreme court is EXTREMELY slow when dealing with these things or this is seriously old news