13-Year Old Girl, Strip Searched ; For what ?

[joystickjunki3]

Honestly, I don't even know what to say in this situation. I'm quite literally speechless.

 

[JWAN]

That's weird. I carried Ibuprofen all the time to school. I never got stripped search... Awww.

Seriously, though what a fucking dick of a principal and drugs!?!?! Ibuprofen? Seriously?!?!

Let me say WTF!!!!

yea, did they know BEFORE the search, or did they find out it was Ibuprofen AFTER the search

I think the girl that had blamed the girl who got stripped had Ibuprofen. So ya, I think they knew. But even if the didn't it's a bit unnecessary to strip down a 13-year old.

it was a prescription strength pain killer, its also used in making narcotics and kids are used as the mules.

she did not just "have" it either, others claimed she was DISTRIBUTING it. I watched the video

Ibuprofen comes in hospital strength doses if the doctor prescribes and you cant carry that around on your person in a middle school. You need adult supervision.

What are the schools requirements for children and medications?

We always had to have them in the office.

This cannot be the whole story, this whole thing sounds REALLY odd to me...

 

[JWAN]

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word.

So fucking disgusting. I already rage when I see abuses of power.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

 

[hippo24]

If this was an 18 year old at a high school, the search was done by a female officer, and they had good cause to do so,
then I would say that it was ok. Sure an immediate strip was a bit uncouth, but

But a 13 year old for gods sake...what 13 year-old-kid has started shoving pills up her unmentionables in a middle school...I mean really?
Unless the girl was
bloodshot,
off balance,
resisted in some form,
lied to the teachers,
had been caught before(which she had not),
and had told someone she was packing drugs,
then I really think someone needs to be punished for this.

This describes my feelings fairly well

"Common sense informs us," wrote the court, "that directing a 13-year-old girl to remove her clothes, partially revealing her breasts and pelvic area, for allegedly possessing ibuprofen ... was excessively intrusive."

If unnecessary, intrusive, and humiliating acts, such as this, become common place in public schools then Ill be sending my kids to private schools where at least the half-raping(dramatisation) of my kids is outlined in some contract.


EDIT/Addition:

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

Yes I would like to see what the non-sensationalist version of this is, but regardless, Its rather disturbing that striping a kid is even an option.
When I went to middle-school even the girls who had been caught before, looked high, smelled of weed, and were skipping school.
Only had their backpacks and pockets checked.

 

[Aries_Split]

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word.

So fucking disgusting. I already rage when I see abuses of power.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

That's not what we're discussing here. It has nothing to do with justification. It has to do with legality and side effects.

Being stripped naked against your will and searched by people who have no authority to do so will FUCK SOMEONE UP psychologically.

 

[iggyus]

The great US of A. Why am I not surprised?

 

[JWAN]

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word.

So fucking disgusting. I already rage when I see abuses of power.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

That's not what we're discussing here. It has nothing to do with justification. It has to do with legality and side effects.

Being stripped naked against your will and searched by people who have no authority to do so will FUCK SOMEONE UP psychologically.

and distributing painkillers to a bunch of 13 year old's WONT mess a kid up?
look, that has EVERYTHING to do with the story, we don't know the circumstances and in this country its innocent until proven guilty.and I don't think I need to warn anybody in here that the media has one goal (both sides) the best story makes the best money and there is no news like bad news.
its not fire aim ready its ready aim fire and you cant start making calls when you fog your mind with hate all of the time

 

[hypothetical fact]

All rise for the case of pedobears in teaching positions vs common sense.

 

[Aries_Split]

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word.

So fucking disgusting. I already rage when I see abuses of power.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

That's not what we're discussing here. It has nothing to do with justification. It has to do with legality and side effects.

Being stripped naked against your will and searched by people who have no authority to do so will FUCK SOMEONE UP psychologically.

and distributing painkillers to a bunch of 13 year old's WONT mess a kid up?
look, that has EVERYTHING to do with the story, we don't know the circumstances and in this country its innocent until proven guilty.and I don't think I need to warn anybody in here that the media has one goal (both sides) the best story makes the best money and there is no news like bad news.
its not fire aim ready its ready aim fire and you cant start making calls when you fog your mind with hate all of the time

That's irrelevant to the situation. Strip searching without a warrant goes against innocent until proven guilty, you know?

 

[JWAN]

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word.

So fucking disgusting. I already rage when I see abuses of power.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

That's not what we're discussing here. It has nothing to do with justification. It has to do with legality and side effects.

Being stripped naked against your will and searched by people who have no authority to do so will FUCK SOMEONE UP psychologically.

and distributing painkillers to a bunch of 13 year old's WONT mess a kid up?
look, that has EVERYTHING to do with the story, we don't know the circumstances and in this country its innocent until proven guilty.and I don't think I need to warn anybody in here that the media has one goal (both sides) the best story makes the best money and there is no news like bad news.
its not fire aim ready its ready aim fire and you cant start making calls when you fog your mind with hate all of the time

That's irrelevant to the situation. Strip searching without a warrant goes against innocent until proven guilty, you know?

no, that goes in the evidence bin to go to court,and that IS the situation. what part of that is not apart of the situation?

nice edit

 

[Aries_Split]

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word.

So fucking disgusting. I already rage when I see abuses of power.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

That's not what we're discussing here. It has nothing to do with justification. It has to do with legality and side effects.

Being stripped naked against your will and searched by people who have no authority to do so will FUCK SOMEONE UP psychologically.

and distributing painkillers to a bunch of 13 year old's WONT mess a kid up?
look, that has EVERYTHING to do with the story, we don't know the circumstances and in this country its innocent until proven guilty.and I don't think I need to warn anybody in here that the media has one goal (both sides) the best story makes the best money and there is no news like bad news.
its not fire aim ready its ready aim fire and you cant start making calls when you fog your mind with hate all of the time

That's irrelevant to the situation. Strip searching without a warrant goes against innocent until proven guilty, you know?

no, that goes in the evidence bin to go to court

You confuse me.

You seem to be on the laws side, but then completely go against The fourth amendment of the constitution [http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am4].

Your logic(or lackthereof) confuses me.

 

[SyphonX]

and distributing painkillers to a bunch of 13 year old's WONT mess a kid up?
look, that has EVERYTHING to do with the story, we don't know the circumstances and in this country its innocent until proven guilty.and I don't think I need to warn anybody in here that the media has one goal (both sides) the best story makes the best money and there is no news like bad news.
its not fire aim ready its ready aim fire and you cant start making calls when you fog your mind with hate all of the time

Okay, first of all you clearly haven't taken the time to read the article whatsoever or so much as watch a video and probably skimmed my original post.

did the cops know PRIOR to the search what kind of drug it was?
wait no one told the parent? where is the record that this took place? Girls younger than that have claimed that they have been raped by police officers and they went to go get medical evidence and none existed and they later admitted to lying.

This is not the whole story

No cops were involved. If you took the time to skim the article or read some of the posts you would realize a school nurse and an assistant conducted the search immediately without notifying the authorities or the parents.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

I'd like to know what "whole thing" you speak of considering you don't so much as fully comprehend the original story.

1. The school does not deny the search took place, they simply state the search was conducted in a reasonable manner. This means they acknowledge that they did in fact strip search Miss Redding.

2. If it's not enough that the school doesn't deny the allegation, a Chief Justice of the court was quoted in saying.. "That it comes down to some Embarrassment or in some cases Death.". This statement suggests that the Chief Justice claims the search reasonably necessary under risk of death. It gives insight into the minds of the court at this point and reasons to understand that the authorities and court officials are also aware of an actual strip search.

yea, did they know BEFORE the search, or did they find out it was Ibuprofen AFTER the search

"The case is centered around Savana Redding, now 19, who in 2003 was an eighth-grade honors student at Safford Middle School, about 127 miles from Tucson, Arizona. Redding was strip-searched by school officials after a fellow student accused her of providing prescription-strength ibuprofen pills."

So there you have it, they searched her for ibuprofen. As far as your question on "did they find it AFTER". Well they didn't "find it after" because they did not find her in possession of anything, at all.

At least understand the story before you make bold statements saying it is false.

 

[kawligia]

It is currently being taken to the Supreme Court where they will ACTUALLY DISCUSS whether or not it was warranted. Really? This requires a discussion in the supreme court when it's a clear violation of the 4th Amendment of the Constitution. For Ibuprofen of all things. This puts the matter in very dangerous territory, because if the ruling somehow passes as the search being acceptable then it will deem it perfectly acceptable in the future for all time until it is brought to the supreme court again, which would never happen. Completely allowing any school nearly just ground to strip search your child, your young brother or sister, niece.. think about this.

This is something you would expect in the most corrupt and disturbing fascist states in history. The mere notion that the act is going to be discussed from being right or wrong in the supreme court sickens me. Though it really doesn't fucking surprise me anymore.

How can the Supreme Court rule that the search was unconstitutional without first hearing the case? The court can't just throw around decisions without giving everyone a chance to be heard.

 

[SyphonX]

How can the Supreme Court rule that the search was unconstitutional without first hearing the case? The court can't just throw around decisions without giving everyone a chance to be heard.

I'm not necessarily saying it shouldn't go to court, I'm saying that it worries me that it will reach ground zero with the possibility they will declare the search reasonable and thus allowing all schools to do so.

The last time the courts got involved with search and seizure in public schools similar to this level was 1985 when it was ruled backpacks could be deemed reasonable to search at any time. Going from backpacks to nude takes the cake in overreaction.

Note: To clarify, I'm saying that it should go to court as a lawsuit, but the grounds to decide it reasonable or not defies the constitution. It's completely unreasonable search. Just by going to the supreme court makes it a serious gamble, it's win or lose and lose is bad.

 

[Aries_Split]

It is currently being taken to the Supreme Court where they will ACTUALLY DISCUSS whether or not it was warranted. Really? This requires a discussion in the supreme court when it's a clear violation of the 4th Amendment of the Constitution. For Ibuprofen of all things. This puts the matter in very dangerous territory, because if the ruling somehow passes as the search being acceptable then it will deem it perfectly acceptable in the future for all time until it is brought to the supreme court again, which would never happen. Completely allowing any school nearly just ground to strip search your child, your young brother or sister, niece.. think about this.

This is something you would expect in the most corrupt and disturbing fascist states in history. The mere notion that the act is going to be discussed from being right or wrong in the supreme court sickens me. Though it really doesn't fucking surprise me anymore.

How can the Supreme Court rule that the search was unconstitutional without first hearing the case? The court can't just throw around decisions without giving everyone a chance to be heard.

*FacePalm* [http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am4]

Please just...shhh...

 

[watshisname08]

Alright someone wanted a non sensational version of this...well luckily there are people out there who sum up the facts non sensationally...here's the story:

From oyez.com
Savana Redding, an eighth grader at Safford Middle School, was strip-searched by school officials on the basis of a tip by another student that Ms. Redding might have ibuprofen on her person in violation of school policy. Ms. Redding subsequently filed suit against the school district and the school officials responsible for the search in the District Court for the District of Arizona. She alleged her Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure was violated. The district court granted the defendants' motion for summary judgment and dismissed the case. On the initial appeal, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit affirmed. However, on rehearing before the entire court, the court of appeals held that Ms. Redding's Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure was violated. It reasoned that the strip search was not justified nor was the scope of intrusion reasonably related to the circumstances.

Doesn't really say much about the original search, but anyway the court is trying to determine two major things:

1) Does the Fourth Amendment prohibit school officials from strip searching students suspected of possessing drugs in violation of school policy?

2) Are school officials individually liable for damages in a lawsuit filed under 42 U.S.C Section 1983 (Civil action for deprivation of rights)?

Didn't this happen aboutfive years ago? HOnestly, youare a little late to the party.

Yes it happened years ago...but that's how a case gets to the Supreme Court it's gotta go through the lower courts first, no shortcuts.

I'm interested in Supreme Court cases because I aspire to become a lawyer (I love the stuff, cases not the strip search...). Anyway in my opinion since this was a public school she still has a Fourth Amendment right for improper search and seizure, albeit a diluted version it covers strip searches. Without sounding like a parrot of what someone else has said (I've read through 6 pages...I'm not gonna remember everything everyone said) there wasn't ANY justification for a strip search. I agree maybe they could have searched her locker or her backpack, but not her person. And also they did this without consulting the parents...what happened if she DID have ibuprofen, they wouldn't have gotten the whole story without asking the parents. This was simply not just a lapse...but a completely wrong judgement on the part of the vice principle. Look I'm all for not having drugs in schools...but a strip search not only crosses the line it jumps over the cliff into the ocean of shittyness (did I spell that correctly?)

For the second issue whether or not school individuals can be sued, that's what is interesting to me. Personally she should be liable, but they were acting on behalf of the school, so it can go either way.

The final ruling/verdict is supposedly June. However, like I posted earlier, one Chief Justice has already been quoted in saying, "Its a matter of embarrassment or in some cases even death." The attorney representing the school was the one making the quote and statement preceding the quote by saying, "I really like what the one Chief Justice (Name) said, .."

So it's not looking so hot.

Don't worry, the Justice he was quoting was Scalia, and he's well known for being steadfastedly conservative. She has a chance.

In many social issues (a bit like this one...students rights is a social issue) the Supreme Court is divided 4-4, 4 Conservatives (Scalia, Roberts, Alito, Thomas) and 4 Liberals (Ginsberg, Stevens, Souter, Bryer). The person to be watching is Kennedy since he's the swing vote.

One other thing, we're all in agreement that this is a common sense issue, one doesn't strip search a goodie-two-shoes 13-year-old girl for a legal medication, but the thing about law and the justice system is...it has no common sense. That's why it's law...the law is blind, it treats everyone fairly regardless of race, gender, religion, sexuality, age, ect. That's why we have juries, typical people interjecting common sense into the legal system (sometimes a scary thing, but an absolute necessity). And the legal system is really slow to catching up with recent trends and scientific breakthroughs, but it continues to evolve (even at a slug's pace, it's still moving forward). That's how it's supposed to work...we may not like it, but it was planned by our forefathers that our short term passions do not override our long term goals of freedom and happiness.

[I know that in that last bit somewhere I heard that in an Ace Attorney game...yes I'm a gamer and I want to do law...weird combination but it works for me]

 

[Judgedread]

If the principle tried to do that to my 13 year old sister I would walk and beat him senseless I wouldn't care how much trouble I got in no way I could let something like that happen, for someone that young to be subjected to that sort of thing and by people who have no authority to do it.

 

[kitsuna]

The jokes on you yanks.

Fact is that the fascist/Commie states actually won the cold war. They packed up and left because they realised your government was and is doing worse things to your own people and subjecting you to more ridiculously restrictive legislation that their cause became redundant. So they gave you a bit of a golfclap around 1991 as the Berlin Wall was coming down then narfed off for a couple of vodkas to celebrate.

This is just an additional sprinkle of icing sugar on an already over-decorated cake..

Yeah yeah, I can only assume you're British. Last time I checked, the U.K. had a security cam on every street corner and in nearly every building in the country. Something like a camera for every 5 people?

Not to mention I heard a case involving a school in the U.K. where a student found a camera in the bathroom wall, pulled it out and brought it to the office only to find out he ripped out school property.

Nope. I live in the Switzerland of the southern hemisphere; Australia. Thank god for that. Sometimes it's good to be the country a long way away from where the action is. So long as we're out of ICBM range when the older and more *snicker* "civilized" countries go insane I don't really care.

 

[thedelightfulme]

...Guilty until proven innocent. It's absurd.

Its the other way around here in England, innocent until proven guilty.
But im pretty sure, strip searching an emotional unstable (she's 13, and just hit puberty probably, she wont be the most self-confident person) 13 year old girl, over iboprofen??!

Democracy is a nice name for the new regime.
If you still think your votes and opinions count...well...sorry guys.
The problem with politicians is that their politicians.

The vote will go in favour of whoever they think will make them look better in the public eye.
So, if they get enough press about how horrible it was theres a good chance the pressure will make them find in the favour of the girl and her family.

But still...its just sick.

 

[Soulreaverm]

Was it even done by a woman police officer? If not that could also warrant a sexual assualt/abuse case.

Yes, because only men are capable of sexual abuse.