15 year old girl kills herself after persistent bullying

[Woodsey]

I don't want to be "that guy" but according to the article she was posting explicit videos and photos of herself online and got upset when some guy shared them with "everyone". Something tells me alot this could of been avoided if she wasn't an attention whore and kept her clothes on.

Aren't you a pleasant individual. I gleamed that she flashed someone on a whim and then some guy blackmailed her to do the rest.

She's not a fucking attention whore because she did something dumb when she was something like 12-years-old. That just makes her a fucking 12-year-old.

But yes, it's her fault because another person acted like a ****. Obviously.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

I don't want to be "that guy" but according to the article she was posting explicit videos and photos of herself online and got upset when some guy shared them with "everyone". Something tells me alot this could of been avoided if she wasn't an attention whore and kept her clothes on.

Eh... You've kind of become that guy, but I can see what you're saying/ As someone who gets bullied on a regular basis because of my... I dunno, reasons, I tend to avoid calling attention to myself where possible. That said, the fact that she took her clothes off on a webcam is not a valid reason for her to be persecuted until she killed herself. Sure, she could have been smarter, but I mean seriously, the fact she was "Cam-whoring" Should have been a major tell for her parents and other adults that should have known better.

Looking at all the facts, She's about 5% to blame, the kids who bullied her are about 35% at fault, and everything else is on the adults, who, as the rational, responsible factor, should have realised something was up very early on and could have potentially stopped this from happening. We make stupid decisions when we're young, but we only continue making stupid decisions if someone older and wiser turns a blind eye.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

The fun thing is that a lot of these issues at that age can be resolved by simply talking about them... unfortunately, kids don't seem to learn that until they're either old enough for it not to matter anymore or they've done something like this.


Specifically about the LGB community, but it fits here just fine.

I hope the kid's at least in a better place. A void doesn't really seem just in most instances, particularly this one, so I'll err on the side of Heaven this time.

 

[xplosive59]

She has no sympathy from me, she did bring it on herself by posting nudes on the internet and yes the people who did bully her are horrible people, but she saw suicide as the only way to stop it.

There are a number of actions she could of done which would of stopped the bully, she could of changed her name legally and given a new identity which I have seen before in cases of severe bullying (the case of Jessislaughter, that girl from YouTube years ago being an example), the police could of shut down the guy blackmailing her for child pornography with the personal messages as incriminating evidence etc but instead she made an attention seeking video with sad music and pandered for sympathy. Yes it is sad she is now dead but she would not be if she was smarter and took other actions, suicide is never the only option and yet she saw it as the only way out.

Her life was wasted because of a terrible decision, she wasn't living in poverty, had an incurable disease/brain damage , unattractive or an amputee and still had life pretty good even with bullying, there are so many people in 3rd world countries that would kill to be in her place.

 

[Signa]

I never got Cyber Bullying, just stop going online to the website or block them.

This is sad though, never good to see someone commit suicide.

That's pretty much my stance on this.

Also, learn from your fucking mistakes. If you went through 4 schools, and made yourself a pariah at each of them, you're doing something wrong. Most kids don't even get to see the inside of 2 schools before they graduate, let alone that many.

It is sad to see a kid kill themselves out of hate for their own life, but this whole anti-bullying movement stinks to high heaven of new-wave PC bullshit. Bullies need to be taught tolerance on a case-by-case basis. Most classic bullies are kids from broken homes who are acting out in the only way they know how. Attacking them is merely attacking a symptom of a much greater problem. Creating an anti-bully rally is just an attempt to out-bully a bully, and give everyone else the next feel-good moment they are looking for. Also, kids that choose to walk down the harder path of being different in some way need to be instructed on the risks, because those without social graces aren't going to get along with others. If those kids find they can't handle peoples' reaction to their behavior, they need to learn to stop. In this case, being a 12 year old girl that flashes people at school sounds like a simple fix: stop flashing people, and stop doing it long enough to let them take a picture of you.

 

[Lt._nefarious]

Well that was nice start to my weekend...

This really is pretty despicable, like,true, properly evil people caused that girl to commit suicide. I do think she shouldv'e been a bit smarter and at least changed her facebook but it's still horrible.

I also believe there is a morbid irony in situations like these. All these people harassing her at school were probably popular/cool/whatever but now it's all said and done they won't have anyone. I doubt "I'm one of the people that bullied a young girl to suicide" garners much respect, and, one can only hope this leads to them living an isolated, hated life just as poor Amanda did...

 

[Something Amyss]

Sometimes threads like this can show how cold we've become.

The internet is a breeding ground for sociopaths, sadly.

I think suicide is the cowards way out.

I'm curious. Have you ever actually been in a situation like this, or are you just giving specious doctor Phil "logic" (and even with quotes, I use the term loosely)?

I understand, empathy is hard, and understanding what someone else's experiences are is even harder. But to just put out a blanket statement like "Suicide is the coward's way out" is horrible. Borders on monstrous, really.

 

[geldonyetich]

Hi Escapist Forums, I haven't posted here in awhile, it's nice to see you haven't broken your old habit of recycling the same old topics over and over again.

 

[White Lightning]

I don't want to be "that guy" but according to the article she was posting explicit videos and photos of herself online and got upset when some guy shared them with "everyone". Something tells me alot this could of been avoided if she wasn't an attention whore and kept her clothes on.

This is a good deal of what is wrong with the world today. Why do people blame the victim instead of the violator? This isn't right, without the people abusing the girl this wouldn't have happened. Did she put herself in a situation that made her more open to it? Yes, but that doesn't absolve the people abusing this poor girl.

Let me switch scenarios. A guy and his wife are out at a bar. The wife asks the guy to get her a drink, and he goes up to the bar to comply. While waiting on the bartender to make the drink a girl next to the bar begins a conversation with the husband. The conversation is innocent, but the wife just sees him having a good time and laughing with another woman. The wife makes a bit of a scene out of jealousy and tells the husband it is time to go home. On the way home a fight breaks out between the two of them. The wife demands to be let out of the car. The husband, more angry than he should be, slams on the breaks and says fine get out. The wife gets out of the car and begins to walk home. As the wife is walking she encounters a police officer who informs her that she should try to get a ride, or at least be careful as there are some sexual predators in the area. Just a mile down the road the woman is pulled into an alley and raped.

Who's fault is the rape in that story?

The Wifes. If she hadn't gotten out of the Car she wouldn't walked by the alley she got raped in, if she hadn't walked by that alley chances are that guy wouldn't of raped her because she wouldn't of been there.

 

[barbzilla]

I don't want to be "that guy" but according to the article she was posting explicit videos and photos of herself online and got upset when some guy shared them with "everyone". Something tells me alot this could of been avoided if she wasn't an attention whore and kept her clothes on.

This is a good deal of what is wrong with the world today. Why do people blame the victim instead of the violator? This isn't right, without the people abusing the girl this wouldn't have happened. Did she put herself in a situation that made her more open to it? Yes, but that doesn't absolve the people abusing this poor girl.

Let me switch scenarios. A guy and his wife are out at a bar. The wife asks the guy to get her a drink, and he goes up to the bar to comply. While waiting on the bartender to make the drink a girl next to the bar begins a conversation with the husband. The conversation is innocent, but the wife just sees him having a good time and laughing with another woman. The wife makes a bit of a scene out of jealousy and tells the husband it is time to go home. On the way home a fight breaks out between the two of them. The wife demands to be let out of the car. The husband, more angry than he should be, slams on the breaks and says fine get out. The wife gets out of the car and begins to walk home. As the wife is walking she encounters a police officer who informs her that she should try to get a ride, or at least be careful as there are some sexual predators in the area. Just a mile down the road the woman is pulled into an alley and raped.

Who's fault is the rape in that story?

The Wifes. If she hadn't gotten out of the Car she wouldn't walked by the alley she got raped in, if she hadn't walked by that alley chances are that guy wouldn't of raped her because she wouldn't of been there.

Wrong, the fault lays with the Rapist. If he wasn't a rapist the wife would have been perfectly safe walking home. The husband and wife allowed themselves in the situation, but the blame always lays with the violator, not the victim. People need to get out of this mindset.

 

[Vanorae]

Poor girl. Online bullying is a big issue, since you can't really get away from it. Sure, you can block people but that list goes on and on and it doesn't change the feeling that you know they are there. She probably had the feeling she was surrounded and completely hated. Often the bullies don't realise what kind of damage they are doing. I suppose they do now. It's just sad to think of the life this girl could've had, that they took away from her.

 

[barbzilla]

Poor girl. Online bullying is a big issue, since you can't really get away from it. Sure, you can block people but that list goes on and on and it doesn't change the feeling that you know they are there. She probably had the feeling she was surrounded and completely hated. Often the bullies don't realise what kind of damage they are doing. I suppose they do now. It's just sad to think of the life this girl could've had, that they took away from her.

I agree with you Van, I've helped my sister keep my niece's computer blocked from social sites and web cam sites so she doesn't get into this, but it is starting to go too far. People often don't realize the damage the cause until they look at the aftermath. There needs to be stricter consequences for their actions to help encourage moderation.

 

[White Lightning]

I don't want to be "that guy" but according to the article she was posting explicit videos and photos of herself online and got upset when some guy shared them with "everyone". Something tells me alot this could of been avoided if she wasn't an attention whore and kept her clothes on.

This is a good deal of what is wrong with the world today. Why do people blame the victim instead of the violator? This isn't right, without the people abusing the girl this wouldn't have happened. Did she put herself in a situation that made her more open to it? Yes, but that doesn't absolve the people abusing this poor girl.

Let me switch scenarios. A guy and his wife are out at a bar. The wife asks the guy to get her a drink, and he goes up to the bar to comply. While waiting on the bartender to make the drink a girl next to the bar begins a conversation with the husband. The conversation is innocent, but the wife just sees him having a good time and laughing with another woman. The wife makes a bit of a scene out of jealousy and tells the husband it is time to go home. On the way home a fight breaks out between the two of them. The wife demands to be let out of the car. The husband, more angry than he should be, slams on the breaks and says fine get out. The wife gets out of the car and begins to walk home. As the wife is walking she encounters a police officer who informs her that she should try to get a ride, or at least be careful as there are some sexual predators in the area. Just a mile down the road the woman is pulled into an alley and raped.

Who's fault is the rape in that story?

The Wifes. If she hadn't gotten out of the Car she wouldn't walked by the alley she got raped in, if she hadn't walked by that alley chances are that guy wouldn't of raped her because she wouldn't of been there.

Wrong, the fault lays with the Rapist. If he wasn't a rapist the wife would have been perfectly safe walking home. The husband and wife allowed themselves in the situation, but the blame always lays with the violator, not the victim. People need to get out of this mindset.

Some blame still goes to the wife. If she hadn't been there the rape couldn't of happened. If instead of being a jealous ***** she had just been all chill and stuff the whole thing would of been avoided.

 

[Vanorae]

I don't want to be "that guy" but according to the article she was posting explicit videos and photos of herself online and got upset when some guy shared them with "everyone". Something tells me alot this could of been avoided if she wasn't an attention whore and kept her clothes on.

This is a good deal of what is wrong with the world today. Why do people blame the victim instead of the violator? This isn't right, without the people abusing the girl this wouldn't have happened. Did she put herself in a situation that made her more open to it? Yes, but that doesn't absolve the people abusing this poor girl.

Let me switch scenarios. A guy and his wife are out at a bar. The wife asks the guy to get her a drink, and he goes up to the bar to comply. While waiting on the bartender to make the drink a girl next to the bar begins a conversation with the husband. The conversation is innocent, but the wife just sees him having a good time and laughing with another woman. The wife makes a bit of a scene out of jealousy and tells the husband it is time to go home. On the way home a fight breaks out between the two of them. The wife demands to be let out of the car. The husband, more angry than he should be, slams on the breaks and says fine get out. The wife gets out of the car and begins to walk home. As the wife is walking she encounters a police officer who informs her that she should try to get a ride, or at least be careful as there are some sexual predators in the area. Just a mile down the road the woman is pulled into an alley and raped.

Who's fault is the rape in that story?

The Wifes. If she hadn't gotten out of the Car she wouldn't walked by the alley she got raped in, if she hadn't walked by that alley chances are that guy wouldn't of raped her because she wouldn't of been there.

Wrong, the fault lays with the Rapist. If he wasn't a rapist the wife would have been perfectly safe walking home. The husband and wife allowed themselves in the situation, but the blame always lays with the violator, not the victim. People need to get out of this mindset.

Some blame still goes to the wife. If she hadn't been there the rape couldn't of happened. If instead of being a jealous ***** she had just been all chill and stuff the whole thing would of been avoided.

I might not be in this original argument, but: It's never her fault. There's plenty of tips for people not to get raped, things they shouldn't do. But don't you think society should focus on telling people maybe not to rape in the first place? You can say it wouldn't have happened if she wouldn't have gotten out of the car. It also wouldn't have happened if there just wasn't a rapist at all..

 

[Nap_Time]

Rather dramatically done video, but I can't help but shed a tear for her story. I don't know her or every single detail of her story, it's clear she made some terrible choices, but she looks like a beautiful girl lost her life because of a combination of bad decisions on her part and a collection of putrid waste masquerading as human beings.

If you ask me, I'm betting that internet justice is on the way if this story has been in circulation. You can count on the assholes who have been stalking her facebook telling her to die will have their identities and information revealed very shortly. That's when the real fireworks begin and I'll just sit back and watch with a bag of popcorn at the ready.

Ethically, I know it will probably lead to more cyber bulling of the bullies and thus thinking this way makes me just as bad as they are. Whatever. I've had it with this shit. These kids think they can do anything without any consequences, like doing this shit over the internet makes them invulnerable.

I don't care if it's "wrong". All I want is a single moment where they are so hated, where things get so bad for them... that they understand what they did and the full impact of their fucking actions and what it's like when those same actions are enacted upon them.

My utter fury over this is probably overriding my logic and reason, I don't care. I'm mad as hell. This shit happens far too often, and I've had enough. I want the full fury of the internet unleashed on these bastards![HEADING=1]RIGHTEOUS FUCKING ANGER![/HEADING]

Amen to that. Probably wrong for wishing something like that upon anyone but honestly I'll stick with the saying 'what goes around comes around'.
Unfair? Maybe. The people that think they're not doing anything wrong - or thinking 'ahh its just for the laughs' should seriously get their heads checked.

But what makes you better than the kids who bullied her. There is no need to avenge a dead girl. She may be dead but their is nothing we can do to help her. Yes, the bullies should be punished, however i believe that the punishment from the Judiciary System and their own guilt will be enough. The "internet activists" should not get involved because the whole situation will just elevate and the public will soon feel pity for those who bullied the girl.

 

[Master_Fubar23]

I like how everyone is missing a key fact in this. Where in the fuck were the parents and why did she intentionally bring this all on herself? This timeline might be off or wrong since all I can think of is that I wasted 9 minutes watching a weak, neglected child complain about her problems that she brought on herself and anger for people who feel sorry for her. I have no remorse for her or her parents. I can understand people make mistakes since everyone has but this is just beyond a simple mistake. She flashed someone... fine (as in she made a mistake not as in its ok). Someone blackmailed her... yes, shame on them and they should be dealt with accordingly. She intentionally subjects herself to verbal and mental abuse... not ok. She moves... good move. She does drugs/alcohol... where is the parents? Better yet, why? She moved so there was no reason to do so another stupid choice. Then the guy comes back... what is being left out here? Her tits are labeled as child porn so the guy should have been in jail for a very long time so he should not have been able to harass her again. She moves again... whatever. She intentionally fucks a guy that already has a girlfriend... she is just fucking brain dead at this point. She was under the age of consent and if people really want to push it with "oh, teens have sex anyways" then the guy was already taken so she knew what she was doing was wrong in every possible sense. Also where are the parents yet again? She tries to kill herself... at least here goes somewhat right. She gets consoling and medication to help her. Good. She moves away... another good move. Yet she intentionally goes to a website where she is being harassed... All I see is someone who was mentally broken and whose fault mainly lies with herself and her parents. Someone can only be cyber bullied if they allow it which she embraced wholly heartedly.