15-year old Stabs Bully 11 Times at Bus Stop, Gets Away With It

[AT God]

There is no correct response so I will keep my opinion to myself, I pose a different question. I didn't see the whole 11 stabs as the main point. If they had footage of the kid stabbing distinctly 11 (or 12?) times into a kid who had yielded after the first few then there should be some more focus on the 11 thing. Since we do not know all or almost any of the facts its hard to call judgement on the 11 stabs. Also, even though its against what I usually think in similar, less lethal situations, while the bully needed to be stopped, did it require a knife? We do not know how this kid was bullied, to what extent, if he was just picked on the normal way, its closer to murder. It depends on the situation, which we will never know because half of the story got stabbed to death.

What opinion I will give is that the kid should not walk. Even if the bully had a weapon, that kid is gonna have problems with having taken a life. Also, while it seems like it came in handy, shouldn't they be concerned some kid carried a weapon to school? Seems like it would be better to just get help.

Interesting situation, makes my head hurt.

 

[Sandytimeman]

Kid punches up a mean classmate:should have reported him/her.
Kid shanks a mean classmateh well that's completely different.

Well, I mean he did show the knife to the bully but the bully still choose to attack the kid.

Think about what you're saying right now.
You are sticking up for a tiny little psycho.

And the bully had a clique of Super Saiyan douches. Of course he is cocky! You could argue the boy was full of adrenaline and seeing red so his judgement was clouded, but you could say the same for bully who thought it would be cool to throw blows with a knife wielding bully victim.

Idk about you but telling teachers and parents about bullying only made bullying worse for me at all the schools I was in. For example, some kids pushed me around and threw my chello on the ground in middle school, breaking it. My parents had to pay for the repair, and I told the teachers about it. Nothing happened to the bullys except them having to tell their own version of the story to the teacher.

The next day, I punched in the stomach my shit thrown all over the place. Lesson Learned: Fight force with Force.

 

[ThreeWords]

But. This is the important part. All of the above is completely irrelevant to our discussion and this thread. This is about whether our little murderer should be charged as such or not. You still have not put forth one compelling reason as to why he should not. And thats my second question for you. Why should this kid not be charged as a murderer? I know under your system he would not be, but we are not using your system.

Are you saying that in Germany one would be jailed for murder for killing someone in self defense?

11 times =/= self defence, methinks

 

[LordFisheh]

Why do people keep saying 'one stab is enough' and focusing on the 11 times?

Fighting does not work that way. The human brain sees a threat and the natural instinct is to stab and stab and stab until there's no chance of a threat again. Hence why you get people who force a burglar to flee, but then chase and kill them - convinced that they were still under attack. It takes proper training to break monkey instincts that see you respond with 11 stabs. People being attacked don't think rationally.

Besides, I think that the idiot could easily have avoided death. Don't attack people for a laugh. It's a simple thing to do, it's morally accepted across the world and it costs you nothing. If you break that simple rule despite the easy, free, peaceful alternative then you deserve what you get. It isn't like doing the right thing is hard in this case, but some people chose the stupid path irregardless. Nevertheless, people who feed off misery and use others as sadistic toys will not be missed by me, be they in a school or a dictator's office.

 

[Westaway]

HA! America! Kiddies are now stabbing each other before school. With no adult fucking supervision to stop them? What the fuck?

I'm sure you're been quoted like 50 times now, but I can't resist.
Why the hell would they have been supervised? You can't have a adult everywhere a kid is. They need some liberties. You can't seriously expect every single american child to be supervised 24 hours a day.

 

[Riddle78]

Alright. Lemme get my flame retardant suit.

So,I think that self defense is a viable claim. However,eleven stabs? A little overkill,however,the kid probably panicked. And when you panic...You don't think straight. No one does. So,yeah. First stab,self defense,after seeing blood,panic mode;repeat until calm.

 

[Cowabungaa]

That kid has some serious mental issues. He clearly snapped and went beserk, and really needs some psychological help. A lot. Because stabbing a bully 11 times after he punches you in the head and chases you is not a normal reaction in any way, shape or form.

I was in that situation almost every day for years, and never occured it to me to ever do something like that. That kid's twisted, in a sad way. And if he did do it after thinking about it, well in that case he's a crazy little psychopath who should be locked up for society's sake.

It also astounds me how many people support this kid so easily. For heaven's sake people, he took a life. Prosecution complex at work.

In the situation here, there's not a whole lot of difference, save "beating one of them bloody" is replaced with "stabbing one til they stop".

Except that, you know, turning someone into Swiss cheese has a slightly different effect on your health than beating someone up.

 

[SkellgrimOrDave]

All this demonstrates to me is something that i've said for a while.

For all our technology, our stone houses, our ipods, our wireless internet and whatever else we may consider civilised, we have not changed in two thousand years.

We are still the humans who fought and died over Octavian's desire for vengeance against his adopted father.

We are still the humans who sacked Lindifarne, killed monks and raped women, making names for ourselves in history.

We are still the humans who toiled the fields, broke our backs and calloused our hands as serfs to higher masters who were little different from us in many manners.

We are still the humans who ran from the wolves and the lions and let our friends fall so we might survive.

We are still the humans who kissed our child on the forhead before leaving out on a fishing ship that might well be scuppered in a storm, leaving us at the bottom of the sea.

This story wouldn't be out of place in any point in history. Someone is cruel, they are stabbed. What of the ages involved? Fourteen is an age of hormones and growing up. The same hormones that have been going round our system and drove us to hunt, to fight for whatever reason and to kill for the smallest things.

Argue over right and wrong all you want, but put simply, who was wrong? The bully was committing acts they knew caused harm. They knew the consequences of their actions on the person, but were concieted and complacent in the thought that the victim was powerless. Eleven times being stabbed was not out of fear or misguided action, it was out of hatred and a want for vengeance in its purest form.

I'm not going to put a point out about who was right and wrong, because as soon as I read the title of this thread I knew that there would be a large argument going on anyway. That's my two cents up there, just remember, you're little different from the man who chased down, killed, skinned and ate boar thousands of years ago bar your clothes, your house and your tools.

 

[SkellgrimOrDave]

All this demonstrates to me is something that i've said for a while.

For all our technology, our stone houses, our ipods, our wireless internet and whatever else we may consider civilised, we have not changed in two thousand years.

We are still the humans who fought and died over Octavian's desire for vengeance against his adopted father.

We are still the humans who sacked Lindifarne, killed monks and raped women, making names for ourselves in history.

We are still the humans who toiled the fields, broke our backs and calloused our hands as serfs to higher masters who were little different from us in many manners.

We are still the humans who ran from the wolves and the lions and let our friends fall so we might survive.

We are still the humans who kissed our child on the forhead before leaving out on a fishing ship that might well be scuppered in a storm, leaving us at the bottom of the sea.

This story wouldn't be out of place in any point in history. Someone is cruel, they are stabbed. What of the ages involved? Fourteen is an age of hormones and growing up. The same hormones that have been going round our system and drove us to hunt, to fight for whatever reason and to kill for the smallest things.

Argue over right and wrong all you want, but put simply, who was wrong? The bully was committing acts they knew caused harm. They knew the consequences of their actions on the person, but were concieted and complacent in the thought that the victim was powerless. Eleven times being stabbed was not out of fear or misguided action, it was out of hatred and a want for vengeance in its purest form.

I'm not going to put a point out about who was right and wrong, because as soon as I read the title of this thread I knew that there would be a large argument going on anyway. That's my two cents up there, just remember, you're little different from the man who chased down, killed, skinned and ate boar thousands of years ago bar your clothes, your house and your tools.

 

[ninja51]

It was in self defence from what I've heard, but it seems to be very much excessive force.

Then again, excessive force is let off far too often in this country, whether it be police officers, or shopkeepers shooting downed thieves in the face.

 

[Icyheart]

Damn. For a second there I thought they were talking about an incident at my old middle school. Worst three years of my life, and I am certainly grateful I escaped with my life, but I do miss the drama... or the terror.

 

[Agayek]

11 times =/= self defence, methinks

Have you ever been in a fight? Like at all? Once your adrenaline is pumping, it's nigh impossible to make yourself stop without the other person ending as little more than a smear. You can throw 11 blows (and when holding a knife and untrained, a punch and knife thrust is pretty similar) in under 15 seconds.

 

[YeOldeMoose]

I have very little sympathy for bullies. I personally wasn't bullied as a kid, but I saw kids who were. It is heartbreaking to see how life is turned into a living nightmare for the ones being bullied. If you are going to be a jerk and ruin a kid's life, get ready to face some sort of consequences. I do believe that it was unfortunate that the bully had to die. He might have reformed if he lived. Then again, he might have gotten out of the hospital and started picking on some other kid.

 

[Nielas]

That kid has some serious mental issues. He clearly snapped and went beserk, and really needs some psychological help. A lot. Because stabbing a bully 11 times after he punches you in the head and chases you is not a normal reaction in any way, shape or form.

I was in that situation almost every day for years, and never occured it to me to ever do something like that. That kid's twisted, in a sad way. And if he did do it after thinking about it, well in that case he's a crazy little psychopath who should be locked up for society's sake.

It also astounds me how many people support this kid so easily. For heaven's sake people, he took a life. Prosecution complex at work.

In the situation here, there's not a whole lot of difference, save "beating one of them bloody" is replaced with "stabbing one til they stop".

Except that, you know, turning someone into Swiss cheese has a slightly different effect on your health than beating someone up.

When I was bullied there were times when I thought that the bully might really hurt me, up to the point of maybe killing me. None of the situations I experiences were as severe as what happened here.

The kid had a reasonable fear that he was about to be murdered and defended himself. People seem to be upset about the 11 stabs but to me it seems natural in this situation. The kid was dazed and just wanted to bully to go away so he kept stabbing.

 

[Zing]

Yep. All good here. Judges being smart.

Death was probably a TAD too far, probably some grievous bodily harm would have made the kid fuck off. Either way, after reading that, I'd say he was perfectly within his rights to stab the shit out of the idiot.

 

[Agayek]

Except that, you know, turning someone into Swiss cheese has a slightly different effect on your health than beating someone up.

Stabbing someone repeatedly vs beating them into chunky salsa is not terribly different. It takes the mental willingness to cause serious harm to another human being, and it's one of the very few ways we are able to protect ourselves from the predations of others.

It's unfortunate for Jorge that it ended in a death, but that's about it really.

 

[Orange12345]

Man, this is terrible for everyone, a kid died and another kid who clearly needed help now has to have this hang over him for the rest of his life

sad

Anyway if anyone wants my 2 cents, the kid obviously didn't want to fight or even hurt anyone, it was likely he brought a knife just to know it was there and had no intention of using it. But when it came down to it he panicked or just lost control.