Honestly, as a kid who was bullied, I don't know if I would have reacted any differently though. Once he got that first stab he probably got a surge of adrenaline, and mix that with the memories of being repeatedly bullied, and you've got pure rage. It was a "crime of passion", but not necessarily "murder". I don't think he had the mens reas to stop himself. I would charge him (here in Canada) with manslaughter, but not murder.Philip Petrunak said:
15-year old Stabs Bully 11 Times at Bus Stop, Gets Away With It
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Hey kids, let's not talk to parents and solve problems, how about we FUCKING MURDER someone!
Christ, why does this shit exist? Fucked-up maniacs who can't see the concept of everything ever from someone. He should be proud that he had the balls to stab a living, breathing bit of the world ELEVEN FUCKING TIMES, and avoid the consequence.
I mean, REALLY! In a few sentences or a few years of the least important part of your life you could have been done with this, but instead the kid murdered someone. In two years both of the people involved would be completely different from what they were, but now one is dead, and the other is a murderer. Who here thinks he can just grow away from the fact that he killed someone. He won't, because he's a psychopath. I hope everyone at school disassociates themselves from this dick and he suffers.
JESUS, I needed that.
EDIT: I spoke out of reasoning, this kid should be hanged or shot or stabbed. He is a fucking hazard to the development of a civilized world, and as it seems LOTS of the Escapist thinks that this isn't murder. IT IS, One argument seems to be that adrenaline cause 11 stabbings, well this kid was being bullied he wasn't strong enough to push through human flesh with a knife fast enough to regret his choices. If I were his parents I would go to the late-abortion clinic immediately.
EDIT 2: Sorry I got mad at the people who supported the kid, and then as you can see went apeshit.
Christ, why does this shit exist? Fucked-up maniacs who can't see the concept of everything ever from someone. He should be proud that he had the balls to stab a living, breathing bit of the world ELEVEN FUCKING TIMES, and avoid the consequence.
I mean, REALLY! In a few sentences or a few years of the least important part of your life you could have been done with this, but instead the kid murdered someone. In two years both of the people involved would be completely different from what they were, but now one is dead, and the other is a murderer. Who here thinks he can just grow away from the fact that he killed someone. He won't, because he's a psychopath. I hope everyone at school disassociates themselves from this dick and he suffers.
JESUS, I needed that.
EDIT: I spoke out of reasoning, this kid should be hanged or shot or stabbed. He is a fucking hazard to the development of a civilized world, and as it seems LOTS of the Escapist thinks that this isn't murder. IT IS, One argument seems to be that adrenaline cause 11 stabbings, well this kid was being bullied he wasn't strong enough to push through human flesh with a knife fast enough to regret his choices. If I were his parents I would go to the late-abortion clinic immediately.
EDIT 2: Sorry I got mad at the people who supported the kid, and then as you can see went apeshit.
As someone who has studied full-contact martial arts, martial arts classes do not teach kids how to "take someone down." Classes that use point-bout teaching systems perpetrate several myths that cause even BIGGER problems:jimbob123432 said:
1. Kids learn that they can take an opponent out of a fight with one or two "special attacks."
2. Kids don't learn how to take a real hit, because they are led to believe that can "fight well enough" to never get hit. This is a complete and total myth.
3. Kids learn all manner of grossly impractical "moves" that they then try to apply in a fight. Jump kicks, for instance, are laughably ridiculous in any kind of real fight -- you're sacrificing every bit of balance. Kicking someone in the head? You may as well punch them in the foot for all the sense that makes.
Now, yes, a well-taught martial arts class can increase a child's balance, flexibility, body awareness, and self-confidence. But unless it is full-contact (unethical with kids), it is not teaching them how to fight.
In an actual self-defense situation, your goal isn't to "take your opponent down," which is waaaaay harder than people think. Bear in mind, people get hit by trucks or shot in the head and still put up a fight. Your goal is to buy yourself time and room to get away. If you're surrounded or cornered, especially when outnumbered, your job is to do whatever it takes to create that opening.
In this case, the kid was cornered to the point that he was put in a panic. The sad fact is that he tried to avoid the situation, but it was forced upon him by the assailant(s). Any failing results from the parents of these kids not taking steps to keep things from escalating before it got this bad.
The bully had it coming. That's the way of it. I just wish I saw more stories like this in place of all the stories of kids being beaten to death by their bully assailants, kids having to change schools because their bullies won't ever be suspended and kids flat-out committing suicide because of bullying.
Not to mention all the unreported cases - people that grow up to be unstable or simply miserable because of bullying at school.
Not to mention all the unreported cases - people that grow up to be unstable or simply miserable because of bullying at school.
Its disturbing that someone can justify premeditated murder because 'he had it coming'.knhirt said:
And yes, its premeditated, if he grabbed a rock and beat him over the head, it wouldn't be an argument with me, but a weapon is always a calculated decision.
Oh, I don't think you grasped what I meant, mainly because I really failed to explain it. I study a very traditional, down-to-earth style of fighting, developed during WWII by the residents of Okinawa to fight of invading US soldiers. There are no "crazy jumps, flips, or kicks". I understand that some dojos may not handle full-contact training properly, but mine was quite relaxed about it. I'm not suggesting martial arts training as a quick solution, it takes at least a year to get enough training to defend yourself, not initiate fights. The WORST thing you can teach a child is flashy, Western crap. A good, traditional style is what kids today need to learn.Dastardly said:
I still stick with my statement of "don't grab anything" unless the assailant(s) themselves have a weapon . Your opponent may feel threatened by it and, because they don't want to back down, they may escalate.
Wait, attempted murder isn't about a failed intent?Mortai Gravesend said:
Well, in case I'm wrong, I do wholeheartedly apologize. Going by personal "feels" of words in disregard of the actual definition is something that really annoys me.
I wasn't thinking and just wanted to tie your post to my response, which I could have accomplished by saying nothing... Guess I should go to sleep. Bringing legal terms into this was pretty much the opposite of my intentions.
But anyways, you seem to have grasped my meaning, and my intention was for you to consider the whole of my post as the actual argument, even the part that seemingly wasn't directed at you.
Which was:
I guess I should have said:"His life wasn't actually in reasonable danger."senordesol said:
Or better yet: "Honestly, he probably didn't think he was about to die."
All and all, I'm not afraid to die because of every possible thing that has the slightest chance to do so, and I hope that you or him aren't either.
It was common sense-speech not court-of-law-speech.
Despite what his lawyer might say, I think we can all agree that his motivations was of bottled up anger and general fear, not fear of death.
Reminder for perspective; I'm not saying, that he was wrong to use a knife to defend himself (something that completely unacceptable in a "fair fight".*) It's the nothing for overkill that I disagree with.
*[sub]common-sense-not-law wise[/sub]
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Goddamit, now I'm confusing posters. Well, that response hopefully also works here.BrassButtons said:
Good night to you all.
What a joke. Should the kid have brought just his fists instead? That's gonna work. Most likely, without the aid of that knife, the kid would have been beaten up and then the bullying would have continued.FarleShadow said:
Deciding to carry a method of protection is not the same as making a calculated decision to murder somebody.
Think, for a moment. If you were forced into a physical confrontation with a group of people, would you not take something along with you if you could?
Death is not such a terrible thing. Some people deserve to die. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking with it.
Personally. I LOVE this! Finally, Bullies are starting to get what they fucking deserve! Maybe, if more kids start doing this this shit will stop. I Love the fact that CartoonNetwork and everyone else and their fucking mother are trying to help with this Bullying thing, telling them to go talk to an adult, but that doesn't fucking help. It never does anything! The Adult, normally a teacher, tells the parent, who beats the kid, who in turn beats the original kid being bullied, putting them in a worse spot. That bully fucking deserved it. I put a bully into a brick-wall when i got harassed to the point of snapping, and he better be thanking every god and my two best friends for saving his ass.
Honestly, I care not what other people in this world think anymore. Opinions are assholes, and I'm tired of hearing all the shit.
My kids are going to be educated in every police take down, as well as basic defensive techniques, and I'm going to let them carry a fucking taser around with them. Fuck bullies, and fuck these parents who don't care enough about their kids to help them until its too damn late, then they pin it on someone else, and try to sue them for it.
BTW: GO FLORIDA! I LOVE YOUR LAWS!
Honestly, I care not what other people in this world think anymore. Opinions are assholes, and I'm tired of hearing all the shit.
My kids are going to be educated in every police take down, as well as basic defensive techniques, and I'm going to let them carry a fucking taser around with them. Fuck bullies, and fuck these parents who don't care enough about their kids to help them until its too damn late, then they pin it on someone else, and try to sue them for it.
BTW: GO FLORIDA! I LOVE YOUR LAWS!
So escalation in the weaponry is the only answer? Knife doesn't work? Bring a gun?knhirt said:
And then, 'Some people deserve to die. That's my opinion'.
Christ! Are you some psychopath? How can you possible justify murder as a reasonable response?!
Dastardly said:
As someone who has been attending Karate classes (Shuri Ti Ha, Jujutsu) twice a week for over a year, fancy jump kicks and the like aren't real Karate, that's sporty bullshit Karate. We're taught real life self defense against commonly wielded weapons and joint locks and ground fighting.
Aaah it's in Florida. In the UK there is a law that states that if you are going to defend yourself against a threat you must use 'reasonable force' which is determined by the situation at hand. In this case 11 stabs and killing them isn't reasonable force and should be treated as murder since I reckon this guy, when he pulled out the knife, intended to kill the bully.
Of course I don't know if it's the same in the US and I'm free to be called out on that, but from what I've seen in this case, 'reasonable force' is enough to murder somebody.
My personal opinion is that while it's sad that the boy was bullied, it doesn't excuse him killing the bully and therefore should have been judged as a murderer since that's what he did. I don't think bullying is right but I don't think it deserves death. The bully, given maybe some proper discipline or if the situation was actually solved before this happened, might have grown up to become a better person, but now he can't because he's dead.
Of course I don't know if it's the same in the US and I'm free to be called out on that, but from what I've seen in this case, 'reasonable force' is enough to murder somebody.
My personal opinion is that while it's sad that the boy was bullied, it doesn't excuse him killing the bully and therefore should have been judged as a murderer since that's what he did. I don't think bullying is right but I don't think it deserves death. The bully, given maybe some proper discipline or if the situation was actually solved before this happened, might have grown up to become a better person, but now he can't because he's dead.
as a child I remember running from bullies and ultimately having to climb a tree to keep from them ... I was followed right to the top of the tree with them trying to make me take a fall that would kill me. (as high as your average house if not higher)
one or two followed me up (hard to remember I was fighting for my life) grabbing and trying to hit and pull at me two more on the ground throwing stones.
it was only after a long time and I had started trying to kick them off and trying to kick them in the face that they left.
my point is how far did the bullies go exactly? dont go thinking that just because theyre kids they wouldnt have been evil.
one or two followed me up (hard to remember I was fighting for my life) grabbing and trying to hit and pull at me two more on the ground throwing stones.
it was only after a long time and I had started trying to kick them off and trying to kick them in the face that they left.
my point is how far did the bullies go exactly? dont go thinking that just because theyre kids they wouldnt have been evil.
It's all the same. Knife, gun, you take the most effective thing you have access to in order to protect yourself. That's pretty basic. What's the difference between being dead because of a blade and being dead because of a bullet?FarleShadow said:
Also, I'm not talking about murder, here. If you can't make the distinction between straight-out murder and killing in self-defense, then I wonder who you're calling a psychopath.
People like that bully have it coming and I have absolutely no sympathy for them.