3DS is Watching You: Activity-Logging and Anti-Piracy Features
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"If you want a picture of the future, imagine an Italian plumber stamping on a human face?forever."silver wolf009 said:
Extremes are fun aren't they?Juventus said:
When we are talking about police installing cameras in your house whether you like it or not we'll get back to you.
Until then, remember, this is a thread about a handheld video game system. Something you can live your life without. I know, crazy right?
If you don't like it you can choose not to buy it. Your making the choose not to spend a couple hundred dollars or buy a system that lets a computer know you play metriod a bit to much. Not the choice to pack up your shit and immigrate to an entirely different country or live with a camera staring at your junk 24 hours a day.
Nintendo is not coming to your house, stealing 250 dollars and forcing you to play a 3DS. Forcing you to have it on and transmitting webcam videos of you in the shower.
It's a video game system. That will only track what games you play and for how long. IF you don't like this, don't buy it. You ALWAYS have that choose.
Christ...
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
-- Martin Niemöller
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
-- Martin Niemöller
Where I come from, line breaks generally indicate a new idea. Maybe this concept isn't as universal as I thought it was.Garak73 said:
Yes, I am. According to D&D, I am lawful good. Furthermore, to take a line from Full Metal Alchemist, I believe in the law of conservation. Wait, is that from FMA? I don't know, I only watched like three episodes. I think that's just from chemistry or physics or something. Anyway, and most importantly, I swear I didn't take any of those ideas from their respective trademark holders ( I've never even played D&D ). I'm just using abstractions that people may be more familiar with rather than trying to explain my stances.
Odd that lawful good is an extreme when I am a self-proclaimed centralist by nature right?
So yes, I am. A great hacker once said freedom and security are polar opposites. Every time you gain security, you sacrifice freedom. This is the law of conservation. And the 3DS that I will probably never own, and the PS3 which I do own, is one area where I am willing to sacrifice some of my freedoms for increased security. Deal with it.
Business and consumers have equal right and equal expectation to protection.
i don't care about the 3ds, and i'm not buying it. i was only responding to the guy who said that people who oare not buying because of the measures, must be pirates.Kagim said:
strong reading comprehension on your part, friend.
also, no you don't always have choice. governments are already monitoring you in different ways. some of these measures are for the best ,some for the worst. but you don't have choice, only the illusion of choice.
If someone i don't know is watching me. Or a program that i do not know about is logging information is doing so. That is spying.Garak73 said:
If my wife is looking at me or a program I am aware of and know full well off its functions before acquiring said product logs information. That is not spying.
If i am aware of what a program is doing, it's not spyware. Its a program i have willfully loaded onto my computer knowing what it does. Spyware would be a program that i had no intetion of installing that did so anyway, or a program that i was mislead to bielvie did one thing but actually did the other, the spying in this case.
This would be spyware if Nintendo booted it up without a) telling people and/or b) after said product was released. They have done neither. So it's not spyware.
This is in fact a message board. And that's MY opinion. It's almost as if... I'm expressing my ideas on said forum. Almost.. talking about things. I'm not telling you to not talk about it, I'm stating my opinion. If you don't like it maybe you should only reply to people who agree with you.
Now, if your mad about the person in specific I quoted, it's because i thought what he said was a gross exaggeration, and a stupid one at that.
If your mad about what i have to say and don't like it, then you probably shouldn't reply to me, because i have read what you have to say and i don't agree with you. I believe in the consumers rights and power to make rational decisions with there capital. I don't believe companies should be kept in a fence of ideals. Especially in a non necessity such as this.
Your not doing anything posting here either. Nintendo isn't reading this forum. Don't buy it, don't emulate it, shoot Nintendo an e-mail.
If you don't think it's okay you don't have to buy it. Its a simply concept. Once again, if you don't like it e-mail them, contact them and don't support the product. My fellow consumers seem to give up this right on a constant basis. We have an incredible power, the power of cash flow and customer contact numbers. Yet people waste it on forums. You want to talk about this? Sure, that's fine.
However, suffer no delusions. Your statements here will not reach Nintendo. You need to take the step and contact Nintendo.
You know what made Blizzard change it's mind about real ID? The two 1000+ page threads on its actual forums. The people canceling there subscriptions. Nothing else.
Money and voicing your opinion to the company itself. That makes change, and so many people can't figure that out.
The article states it logs steps taken. Does not say whether it was sent. Does not state whether it tracks location. Your now operating on assumption. Even if it did, it's my right as a consumer to make the choice whether or not i want a product that does that. If nintendo had hid this information and no one knew about it till after the release, or if they implemtned the idea after the release of said product you might have something.
You don't, however. Since once again, neither criteria is met.
If you don't like what i think, you don't have to listen to me. You have that right as well.
You were comparing his statement to fighting agaisnt government oppression. Your exaggerating a statement to force your bias and using a specific situation to try and enforce your ideal.Juventus said:
Much like people who try and comapre downlaoding to rape to inspire a negative reaction.
Or people who compare downloading to the black rights movement to try and inspire a positive reaction.
Your taking his statement and likening it to a known extreme to try and tell him he is wrong.
Seeing as how i can tell when people say specific things to try and reinforce a negative reaction, much like your comparison, I would have to say i do have strong reading comprehension.
You remind me of the people who come into my McDonalds and spend ten minutes telling me that the chip in there debit card is a Goverment tracking device. Luckily they found the goverment tracking devices only weakenss...
A magic marker...
However, until the day the government bogeyman forces me to buy a 3DS that little paragraph has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Or anything i said really...
If I buy a car, and I take the governor off so I can use it to it's potential and not what the manufacturer places on me, and then the computer in the cars engine figures it out and all of a sudden makes my car completely unusable, you can be sure as shit that I would be mad, and for good reason. I bought the car, it's mine, and I can use it however I want. R4 carts, though they can allow piracy, can also be used for homebrew, cheating, and a bunch of other cool things (watching movies, listening to music, things impossible normally). They can't just render the item that I bought with my money and now own, completely useless because I'm running a flash cart. They assume it's for piracy, but they force you to update, and if that bricks your 3DS, then that is complete and utter garbage. I'm not interested in a flash cart or anything for my 3DS when I get one, but I do stand behind that the customer is free to do whatever he or she wants with their item once they purchase it.