3DS is Watching You: Activity-Logging and Anti-Piracy Features

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GenericAmerican

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I think it's a step too far. But it doesn't concern me because I will not fall into the trap that is re buying the DS every time they add another millimeter of screen size, or a camera.

I know people who own every single model...they are freaking sheep; I own the very first bulky model...you know what, it works fine; sure the sound isn't great but hey, I don't use it anyway.
 

Illyasviel

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joebear15 said:
no you see to many on this website tiny things like consumer right and freedom are taking a back seat to fighting piracy, a ultimately pointless and useless fight that of course will be lost.
Homicide will never be stopped either.

Try viewing this from a larger perspective. Make a flow chart or something that doesn't automatically end with loss of freedom.

Here are some possible endgames, any combination of which may occur.

Nearly all gaming publishers are publicly held corporations. Shareholders see drop in revenue, some of which is from privacy, push publishers to toughen up. Publishers can't disobey their shareholders.

Publishers then hire RIAA consultant; sues everybody.

Even more draconic anti-piracy measures emerge.

Publishers turn to safer franchises to ensure revenue. Gaming innovation dies, becomes equivalent to mainstream pop / hip-pop.

Keep in mind, that unlike music, gaming is no longer a grass roots industry. Anybody can sing a song. Not everybody can front USD30M for a triple A game.

I don't like what Nintendo is doing either. However, I'm praying it works and we'll see the end to this. And if it doesn't? Well, thanks a lot pirates, bleeding hearts. You've fucked us all again.

Garak73 said:
Are you calling me a pirate?
Illyasviel said:
Illyasviel said:
The pirate playbook. Chapter 4, verse 2.

Tell them "I'm a defender, no, CHAMPION, of the people, and I'm here to protect your rights." Secretly profit by stirring up enough trouble to maintain status quo so that you may continue to pirate games.
Illyasviel said:
You can't deny that the whole wolf in sheep's clothing thing isn't a tactic.
 
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Fawcks said:
You CAN turn off the auto-connect wifi.
Oh goody. That's good.

And actually, I'm a reformed pirate. I used to download EVERYTHING, but now I buy pretty much all of my games. I like to support the devs.

I just feel that this is a little too "big-brother is watching" for my taste.
 

Illyasviel

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joebear15 said:
1. the suing thing now my memory might be fuzzy but wasn't the reason the RIAA stopped because that campaign failed miserably and even if the lawsuits works it would only solve the problem in the US(no other country would allow it that I'm aware of on a scale big enough to make a difference).

edit even in the US imagine the 60 min report on Joe and Jane losing their home because 11 year old Timmy downloaded a game would cause a PR backlash so sever it might cripple the gaming industry by itself. as for the evidence don't even get me started if anon were smart they would drive around and hack everyone wifi and download a whole bunch of shit making the trials impossible to win.

2. the more draconian measures thing, the company's share holders would have to be willfully ignorant or being lied to if they demanded that because the fundamental way in witch data works makes protecting it from duplication impossible, programmers are well aware of this and just keep making DRM because companys are dumb enough to pay for it(I don't blame them for it money naturally flows out of the hands of the rich and stupid and into the hands of the cunning)

3. the gaming dies thing, for that to be the case then games would have to be not truing a profit and piracy would have to be the soul cause, now I dont think that this has ever happened and I think that if it ever gets to the point where piracy stops anything from making money then we are already passed the point of no return.

i respect your opinion but I believe you are wrong, that freedom and people rights to their property no mater what the EULA says is much more important then the war on piracy, a loss of freedom is like a bolder losing height rolling down a mouton, once the bolder starts its does not tend to stop.
Point is there are a lot of things we can't stop. Doesn't mean people shouldn't try. I just used an extreme case because everybody is allowing themselves to be overcome with hysteria and automatically defaulting to the worst case scenario without carefully considering the causes. Honestly, you can't grab the attention of hysterical people without resorting to extremes yourself.

1. The RIAA hasn't stopped, they've just gotten smarter. They no longer allow lawsuits to reach critical mass. Instead, they wage a quiet war, avoiding criminal courts ( because that's bad publicity ) and sticking to civil cases ( nobody hears about civil cases ). In addition, they sue for absolutely ludicrous amounts that will lead to certain financial ruin, forcing defendants to settle outside of courts. A court case that is settled outside of court is not a case that is reported to news.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/riaa-jury-slaps-2-million-fine-on-jammie-thomas/
Keywords: "Only case to go to court." Read as: "Lawyer X, please give me advice on what to do?" "Settle out of court. My God, settle outside of court."

Also, so you're just going to throw Americans under the bus so you can enjoy your freedoms? Some defender of the people you are. I thought you were supposed to be a good guy.

Speaking of people that got thrown under the bus: Atticus Finch.

2. Other people have tried other tactics. None are working. Nothing trumps free. Gaming is aware of this. See "freemium model" under pornography. In addition, unlike the music industry which has associated alternative industries like live performances, gaming doesn't. At least not in everywhere else in the world but South Korea.

3. Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo: ODST, Halo: Reach.

Gaming is already getting there. What's the straw that will break the camel's back?

Additionally, by choosing to live within a society, we have already given up a lot of our rights. Freedom is not defined as doing whatever you want. Freedom is defined as the maximum tolerated deviance from what society accepts as the norm. In exchange, we gain security.

Last part: than we're cool?
 

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The way I see this, YOU dont have the right to be against this, unless you intend to do something not lawful.

It reports what you do to Nintendo, but its not like it records your speech, sends pictures, etc. Its all game stuff. I get the "it might blahdy blah me by accident". Then sue them.

Its not a violation of your rights, its DRM the way it should be done.

If you plan on doing illicit things, dont complain that your having your rights stepped on: you deserve it. Thats what JAILS are.

IF you dont plan on it, dont complain. It makes the industry better. And its Nintendo. They wont brick you
 

Illyasviel

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DRM would've arrived regardless of piracy.

That said, would it be anywhere as draconian as it is today if not for piracy? Probably not.
 

mik1

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Just wait for the 3D porn to start. Then this topic will really heat up.

HAHA PUN!!
 

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Illyasviel said:
DRM would've arrived regardless of piracy.

That said, would it be anywhere as invasive as it is today if not for piracy? Probably not.

No, probably not because without the industry generated 'piracy panic' people wouldn't be able to fallback on the old "If you're against this measure THEN YOU'RE A PIRATE!" routine to try and stifle any dissent.
 

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mik1 said:
Just wait for the 3D porn to start. Then this topic will really heat up.

HAHA PUN!!
I can't see a problem; after all, my name is in no way tied to my 3DS system, so no one will know it's me. They'll think it's console #1244110385.
 

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Next on the line.

Nintendo 4DS, every time you turn it on it analyzes your fingerprints and blood patter in order to ensure you are not borrowing it to a friend.

Also it will start recording your chats with your friends and spouse sending it to Nintendo in order to "Enchance your gameplay"

Coming 2012
 

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CommanderKirov said:
Next on the line.

Nintendo 4DS, every time you turn it on it analyzes your fingerprints and blood patter in order to ensure you are not borrowing it to a friend.

Also it will start recording your chats with your friends and spouse sending it to Nintendo in order to "Enchance your gameplay"

Coming 2012
God, you people are about as bad as the people who cried Death Panels to the Health Care bill.
 

Illyasviel

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RhombusHatesYou said:
Illyasviel said:
DRM would've arrived regardless of piracy.

That said, would it be anywhere as invasive as it is today if not for piracy? Probably not.
No, probably not because without the industry generated 'piracy panic' people wouldn't be able to fallback on the old "If you're against this measure THEN YOU'RE A PIRATE!" routine to try and stifle any dissent.
Are you saying DRM wouldn't have arrived or are you saying, that you agree with me that if not for piracy, DRM would not be as draconian as it is today?

Because I guarantee you, DRM would've arrived, regardless. They're a business. There's also used game market, regular theft, etc..
 

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Garak73 said:
You tell me, did Blizzard win a case that allowed them to brick PC's?
You tell me, did I say that they did?

No, I did not.
They still won a case because of the EULA.
 

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10 pages in, I can only imagine the conversation degenerated into "YOUR 3DS BELONGS TO NINTENDO! YOU OWN A LICENSE, NOT THE UNIT! I CAN MAKE SHIT UP WITHOUT SUPPORTING MY CLAIMS BECAUSE ITS IN SOME EULA! EULAs ARE CONTRACTS, AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CONTRACT LAW BUT AM SOMEHOW AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT!" and the usual anti-piracy-crusading* bullshit.

I saw it happen with the Geohot vs Sony topics, it'll happen here.
(As of this posting, I have not read the entire topic, only the opening page. Whine about it if you want, I do not give a flying fuck right now).

Just wait. There's going to be some big case about someone who modded their 3DS to stop it from spying on them and they'll get taken to court.
Then the pariah for the whole case will be "Piracy vs Privacy" and we'll have months upon months of controversial troll topics where people can get their Hot Topic and On Fire badges.

...Sorry, too much foresight?

[sub]*(I use the term "crusading" here as a comparison for when the crusaders of yore did what they did, believing what they did was right, while never once considering the long-term consequences of their actions. NOT as any advocacy in favor of piracy. It's pathetic that I have to spell this out because of knee-jerk interpretations, but hey, it's the Internet. Knee jerk reactions and whining is our specialty)[/sub]
 

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Atmos Duality said:
Actrually it's more like THEY ARE SPYING ON YOU!!! AND WATCHING YOU SHOWER! SHOWER DAMN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. I'M GOING TO REGURGITATE QUOTES FROM 1984 EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NEVER READ THE BOOK! SPYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.

... What?

SHOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR THERE IN MY TEETH!!! MY TETTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHH

... Do do do dooooo....

So.. i guess yeah, about as intellectual stimulating as the usual anti-Downloading topic.. or wet paint...
 

Illyasviel

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I doubt they've completely stopped suing people. Show me the papers. All I know is that roughly 100,000 downloaders were sued last year.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/mass-us-copyright-lawsuits-to-reach-100000-mark/7955

True, most of these lawsuits were issued by the pornography industry.

You already have given up your rights. Homeland Security. Google. Credit cards. Police CYA games. The very act of being part of a society mandates that you give up many of your rights.