89 percent of US parents believe game violence a problem

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Vuliev

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What about this one? [http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cpb6666/pubs/09BAS.pdf]
First off, this isn't a study, it's a summary of studies (which, mind you, are entirely cherry-picked and avoid any mention of the studies that contradict the hypothesis.)

Second, the writers name a ton of studies, but huge chunk of their bibliography consist of a handful of the same writers, two of whom are writers of the paper. Not looking good already, especially since they faceplant in the first study directly testing games:

Influence of violent media on youth:
Flops right out of the gate by employing a slippery-slope argument in the introduction with no reference or citation.
Is itself a summary/aggregation of studies, and those studies deal entirely with aggression (not violence), and makes the rather tired refrain of linking short-term aggression from games/media to long-term aggression (by means of that uncited snowball effect) and from there linking to established knowledge that aggression in youth progresses to aggression in adulthood.

I tried looking up and reading more of the studies cited, but could only find abstracts or summaries. The vast majority of Anderson's work, though, stems from tying the short-term aggression seen in many of these studies to long-term effects through that slippery slope nonsense mentioned in the beginning. And when the authors are heavily citing their own work...well, it really smacks of someone/s pushing an agenda.

Or this one? [http://videogames.procon.org/sourcefiles/Effectofblood.pdf]
Part 1
Tiny sample size of an enormous demographic (65 20-year-old young men? Really??)
Measured heart rate during play and aggression levels after 15 minutes, which completely ignores the whole point: long-term effect of violence in video games on those that play them
Part 2
Even smaller sample size
Same testing method as Part 1 (i.e. not what it should have been)



I've seen the whole "violent games increase aggression" thing plenty of times by now--and yes, violent games increase aggression during play and for a short time afterward. But they have no evidence to tie that aggression to IRL violence, even in the short term. Moreover, none of these studies have done a multiple-thousand subject, long-term study of consistent, moderate-to-heavy violent videogame play. Remember last week's Jimquisition? The horrified responses to it came from just such a sample: thousands of gamers across both genders and an enormous variety of ages, social/economic backgrounds, an overwhelming majority of which have hundreds to thousands of hours logged into violent games.

Most damning of all, violence is definitely going down in society, despite the massive influx of violent games. Kinda hard to say "violent games => IRL violence!" when violence is not only not increasing, but also decreasing.
 

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In these sorts of discussions it is always said that it is simply human nature to blame our problems on the easy targets. But is that really the case? Alot of people, especially those of us on The Escapist are able to look beyond that in order to try and find the real cause. Does that mean that it is only the nature of stupid people, or are we simply the exception to the rule?
We aren't exceptions to the rule, because we do it too. Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY blames everything they and others do on something or someone else other than the true cause all the time, either to avoid responsiblity for what they've done or to avoid admitting that bad things happen for no easily quantifiable and definitely not preventable reason. There isn't a single person on the planet who hasn't done it, and it hard to find anyone that truly will not do it again in the future, even if they sincerely say they won't. It probably won't take you long to think of at least 1 thing you've blamed on a cause other than the actual one in the past few days, not to mention your lifetime.

The fact is, violence will ALWAYS be a part of the human race. The fact that we love killing and seeing other things get killed is one of the largest reasons that our species didn't go extinct, and it's still with us. Even if we somehow found a way to remove that, we'd be dooming our species to eventual extinction if we did. It's just that a few people (and really, if you gathered up all the incidents of unprovoked crime and murder throughout history all together and compared it to the whole of the human race, you'll find the number is comparatively negligible) decide to listen to that side of them that says "be a dick!" or "KILL!!! KIIIILLLL!!! KIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLL!!!!!!!!" instead of that side that says "be nice to people" or "I'd be better off if the people around me weren't killed" for countless reasons that are cumulative. There is no 1 thing that drives a person to violence, it's the cumination of a lifetime's worth of experiences and their own innate nature, negative AND positive that does it.
 

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I read this as 89% of parents don't want to take responsibility when their kid gets in a fight.
 

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We just need to outlast this phase until a new form of entertainment media arrives that we can hate on instead.
 

RobfromtheGulag

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One of these billions of articles on game violence surmised my opinion:

Games can and do increase Aggression. Aggression however only turns into Violent Action if the person acts on the impulse. Thankfully the overwhelming majority of us do not act in impulse.
 

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no americans are not stupid. all parents who say video games lead to violence are stupid. and that does not only include american parents. parents who usually are too busy in their lives or just dont give a crap about what video games their kids buy or have no control over them are stupid.
you know who else is stupid ? the parents who themselves gift their kids M rated games like dumbasses like call of duty every year are stupid. not only cod mind you .
so parents stop behaving like kids and grow up and please exercise some control over what games you kids play.
and its not just games either. keep a tab on what movies your kids watch too rather than just complaining and whining like kids.
and i believe movies and games have absolutely no connection with real life violence.
its the kids upbringing thats to blame. so blame yourself parents . rant over
 

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Sounds like 89% of parents need to take some responsibly and raise their kids instead of letting video games do it for them.
 

Saladfork

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There's no way they got a random, statistically significant sample where 89% of them agreed on anything important without skewing either the testing methodology or the results in some way.
 

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I guess more people should of watched Penn and Teller's show, Bullshit. They cover the topic so much better than I can so take it away guys.


TL;DR version is that kids (and for the most part adults) Can see a clear distinction between fake cartoony video game violence and actual violence.
 

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Again , people on this site is jumping the gun . 89% of PARENTS think that violent videogames are a problem. Now i am assuming they are talking about the fact that it is a problem FOR CHILDREN . I am assuming this because of the second line which says :"In addition, the survey concluded that 75 percent of parents found it difficult to shield their children from violence in media." . Take note that that line says in media and doesn't point soley at video games . That being said , and again assuming we are talking about children, that makes a lot of sense . Why? Because CHILDREN are highly influenceable . And most people would agree that children should not be exposed to highly violent media , be it music, film and videogames. Of course there are always exceptions , such as parents with mature children , or parents who don't care . But in GENERAL , people say a CHILD should not play games like CoD , God of War and other highly violent violent games . And that IS a problem . How children are playing and seeing violent media , when they shouldn't be
 

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Fuck it. I don't care enough except to post this.


There's your fucking "89%".
 

lRookiel

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Oh dear.

Are these yanks actually that stupid?

Well, back to blasting peeps on Borderlands 2.
 

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Common Sense is a group that pops up every time something happens, trying to link tv, music, video games and gay marrage to the decline of "American Values"

Their studies have been proven to be bull shit many times.
 

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I am biased against CSM to begin with because they give fight club and many other violant movies a 15+ rating. but assassins creed, a game where you can turn the blood off, get a "not for kids." I don't like them to begin with, but as other people have said, 1050 people is not a big number.
 

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Well it sucks to live in that country of yours then.

If it isn't feminism, it's violent video games, and if it isn't that it's something else.

Damn I'm happy to be a Romanian and not have that bullshit.
not really, willing to bet similar results would be gathered in any country. stupidity, particularly parental stupidity is hardly uncommon.
 

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Stavros Dimou said:
Uhm... Sorry,excuse my question which might sound silly to you,but I don't live in USA.
Is USA a place where pistols are sold in supermarkets next to butter products
At Wal Mart in the US, you can buy hunting shot guns, hunting rifles, plinking rifles, and on occasion semi-auto assault rifles and about any ammo that one would realistically use for the above types of weapons. As well as pistol ammo.
 
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You know what? It really doesn't matter. Because just as the previous generation grew up in a culture that was not approved by the one before that (loads of sex, drugs, and violence in an increasingly visceral media), they disapprove of ours. In ten or twenty years, the people who claimed a link between video games and violence will not matter, as they will not be in charge. We will be.