9/11 conspiracies. Really, they still exist?

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UNKNOWNINCOGNITO said:
Have you ever seen the documentry "Loose Change ?" look it up on youtube because it perfectly explains how 9/11 was a inside job with great detail.
Someone cue the facepalm graphic.

Bigeyez said:
You also do realize that a controlled demolition of the twin towers would take hunreds upon hundreds of pounds of explosives and weeks to setup. So they somehow smuggled in all those explosives, wired them up, installed fuses, all in not just one but TWO of the most active buildings on the planet and no one noticed?

Thats not mentioning that our gov't had no motives to do this, nor would our gov't even be able to pull the elaborate scheme that "Loose Change" tries to insinuate that they do.

But my cousin's uncle's doctor's sister's nephew's old former roommate said he totally saw workers in there like the day before installing explosiveszzz comon gaiz im cereal.

The government is able to pull off something like that? Forget motive-- we are talking about the same government right? the US government? The bay-of-pigs government?

Not likely.
 

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I think the camera angle leads this person to believe they were insubstantial hits. Oh, and kudos to the person who sited Popular Mechanics...beat me to the punch =p.
www.debunking911.com has a lot of good information as well and addresses point by point most of the arguments theorists make.
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canadamus_prime said:
Well I'm not about to make any accusations or blame anybody, all I'm going to say is that I find it pretty fucking hard to believe that planes crashing into the towers near the top would cause them to collapse, esp. since one of 'em barely nicked the thing.
What do you mean by barely nicked the thing?
If I recall the second plane to hit the second tower (which incidentally was the fist to collapse), barely nicked the corner of the tower, almost missed it completely.
Both planes disappeared into the towers and didn't come out. The second did hit slightly off center, but the plane and all its jet fuel stayed in the tower. They were both solid hits.
I think the camera angle leads this person to believe they were insubstantial hits. Oh, and kudos to the person who sited Popular Mechanics...beat me to the punch =p.
www.debunking911.com has a lot of good information as well and addresses point by point most of the arguments theorists make.
 

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So i was bored and went on youtube watching commentaries for south park, and i listen to the one about the "mystery of the urinal deuce" and down below i see comments from people saying that it was the government that planted bombs in the building and that it wasnt planes that crashed into the buildings. Really? There are still retards out there that dont believe that terrorists were the ones who blew up the two towers? The biggest arguement being "fire cant melt steel". If i remember right i think thats how they made swords back in the dark ages. I dunno, im a bit tired at the moment so i cant remember the melting point of steel, but ya, i dont believe any of these conspiracies about 9/11, what about you ppls?
steel requires a very high melting point, higher than that of a normal fire(i know this cause i was doing research on how to smith metal because i want to make a sword lol)
the cause of the steel being melted was jet fuel. jet fuel from the crashed plane leaked out and created a much hotter fire, hot enough to melt steel.
Ask any blacksmith or metal worker, around 1000 degrees F steel looses a lot of its integrity...and for something holding a lot of wieght to loose 40-60% of its strength is a really bad thing. It wouldnt have to melt.
 

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HandsomeJack said:
I think the camera angle leads this person to believe they were insubstantial hits. Oh, and kudos to the person who sited Popular Mechanics...beat me to the punch =p.
www.debunking911.com has a lot of good information as well and addresses point by point most of the arguments theorists make.
I like my kudos thank you. What is a kudo anyways? Yeah, how can someone look at an article from Popular Mechanics and say no, no thats a lie. That would be like not trusting the Mythbusters, something i just can't tolerate.
 

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There is nearly 1 problem with 9/11 conspiracies; every person I have known who thinks George Bush blew up the Twin Towers also believes he is a complete retard. The problem being that in order for Bush to exicute the 9/11 attack he would have to be a genius of unparralled evil (in America) and have tabs on everyone involved and kill anyone who would speak aloud. Even with the Watergate scandal Nixon was spoken against and revealed. Now who really believes the government could keep their big mouth shut for 8 years and not have any credible leads or evidence that points to the government that isn't speculation or circumstantal. The believes simply have no credible evedience.
 

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Bigeyez said:
You do know that buildings on demolitions, again ESPECIALLY skyscrapers, are notoriously unpredictable and even demolition experts can predict how a building will fall.

You also do realize that a controlled demolition of the twin towers would take hunreds upon hundreds of pounds of explosives and weeks to setup. So they somehow smuggled in all those explosives, wired them up, installed fuses, all in not just one but TWO of the most active buildings on the planet and no one noticed?

Thats not mentioning that our gov't had no motives to do this, nor would our gov't even be able to pull the elaborate scheme that "Loose Change" tries to insinuate that they do.

But you know those are just facts, who listens to facts when someones spinning a good story.
But interesting facts are what make a good story. Why is the way the towers fell proof against a controlled demolition? A conspiracy to destroy them wouldn't care how they fell, so long as they did so, leaving the rest to chance. After all, the plot is to kill thousands.

A busy building makes smuggling easier, not harder. You expect to see thousands of strangers in dozens of uniforms swarming up and down with packages of all kinds.

The melting points and weaknesses of metals are irrelevant to the conspiracy-believing mind. Maybe the aircraft could've brought down the towers, but that's not what they were form. They were props for the alibi; any additional devastation caused was a bonus.

Motives abound. Machievelli, a man much admired (and misunderstood) by Rove, once said that the best way to bring a country together was through war. And what better than a permanent war to bring the country together permanently? Whatever crazy ambitions we might imagine the government to have, many benefit by a docile and trusting populace. Regulate the Internet? Invade other countries? Give cash to big business? A shadowy foe allows such activities to be cloaked in Patriotic rhetoric.

Now that I'm doing playing the Devil's Advocate, I'd like to point out that it's the Bush Administration's failures to capitalize on the fervor after the attacks that convinces me that, rather than the brilliant and effective manipulators the conspiracists would have us believe, they're the foolishly idealists that they appear. The internet wasn't regulated, Muslims weren't rounded up into camps, dissidents didn't find themselves jailed, elections were not suspended, independent news sources were not shut down, martial law was not imposed, etc. Genuine dictatorships take these types of steps to impose order and further they're agenda. Further, a brilliant conspiracy would not jump into a war in Iraq and then sink. They'd fight, win, get the oil and glory. Another sharp victory, another opportunity to press their agenda. I can't simultaneously believe that some group is both masterful and idiotic at the same time.

And where all the follow-up terror attacks to cement their rule? Where are the WMDs? I'm still waiting.
 

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grimsprice said:
HandsomeJack said:
I think the camera angle leads this person to believe they were insubstantial hits. Oh, and kudos to the person who sited Popular Mechanics...beat me to the punch =p.
www.debunking911.com has a lot of good information as well and addresses point by point most of the arguments theorists make.
I like my kudos thank you. What is a kudo anyways? Yeah, how can someone look at an article from Popular Mechanics and say no, no thats a lie. That would be like not trusting the Mythbusters, something i just can't tolerate.
A Kodo is the racial mount of Taurans and can be purchased in Mulgore, just a short trek away from Thunderbluff. It comes in a variety of colors and in two different speeds...oh...wait...kudos....um
Kudos
?noun (used with a singular verb) honor; glory; acclaim: He received kudos from everyone on his performance.

Anyhoo yeah you'd be surprised man. I've shown people that same article and have been told "well thats probably just a cover up by the gov't!". Ignorant people and Ignorant.
 

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There are still JFK Conspiracies[/B]

I don't think 9/11 is going to go away soon.

Dammit, Ninja'd,

thiosk said:
UNKNOWNINCOGNITO said:
Have you ever seen the documentry "Loose Change ?" look it up on youtube because it perfectly explains how 9/11 was a inside job with great detail.
Someone cue the facepalm graphic.
On it!

http://www.opaquelucidity.com/facepalm.jpg
 

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grimsprice said:
HandsomeJack said:
I think the camera angle leads this person to believe they were insubstantial hits. Oh, and kudos to the person who sited Popular Mechanics...beat me to the punch =p.
www.debunking911.com has a lot of good information as well and addresses point by point most of the arguments theorists make.
I like my kudos thank you. What is a kudo anyways?
Kudos is the singular. It's Greek (and essentially means "praise").
 

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Unfortunately, these people exist. I found this fruitcake on youtube, he believes that the controlling, rich, secret totalitarian world government was behing 9/11 and more.

http://www.youtube.com/user/deagla
 

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Veylon said:
Bigeyez said:
You do know that buildings on demolitions, again ESPECIALLY skyscrapers, are notoriously unpredictable and even demolition experts can predict how a building will fall.

You also do realize that a controlled demolition of the twin towers would take hunreds upon hundreds of pounds of explosives and weeks to setup. So they somehow smuggled in all those explosives, wired them up, installed fuses, all in not just one but TWO of the most active buildings on the planet and no one noticed?

Thats not mentioning that our gov't had no motives to do this, nor would our gov't even be able to pull the elaborate scheme that "Loose Change" tries to insinuate that they do.

But you know those are just facts, who listens to facts when someones spinning a good story.
But interesting facts are what make a good story. Why is the way the towers fell proof against a controlled demolition? A conspiracy to destroy them wouldn't care how they fell, so long as they did so, leaving the rest to chance. After all, the plot is to kill thousands.
Because demolished buildings don't fall like that.

A busy building makes smuggling easier, not harder. You expect to see thousands of strangers in dozens of uniforms swarming up and down with packages of all kinds.
And knocking down walls?

Motives abound. Machievelli, a man much admired (and misunderstood) by Rove, once said that the best way to bring a country together was through war. And what better than a permanent war to bring the country together permanently? Whatever crazy ambitions we might imagine the government to have, many benefit by a docile and trusting populace. Regulate the Internet? Invade other countries? Give cash to big business? A shadowy foe allows such activities to be cloaked in Patriotic rhetoric.
The absolutely insane cost of blowing up those buildings and keeping it secret would offset any possible gain in every way imaginable. I despise Karl Rove, but I know his IQ is higher than 40.

Now that I'm doing playing the Devil's Advocate,
The Devil would know when to fold.

I'd like to point out that it's the Bush Administration's failures to capitalize on the fervor after the attacks that convinces me that, rather than the brilliant and effective manipulators the conspiracists would have us believe, they're the foolishly idealists that they appear. The internet wasn't regulated, Muslims weren't rounded up into camps, dissidents didn't find themselves jailed, elections were not suspended, independent news sources were not shut down, martial law was not imposed, etc. Genuine dictatorships take these types of steps to impose order and further they're agenda. Further, a brilliant conspiracy would not jump into a war in Iraq and then sink. They'd fight, win, get the oil and glory. Another sharp victory, another opportunity to press their agenda. I can't simultaneously believe that some group is both masterful and idiotic at the same time.
I choose to believe that means you know the conspiracy is a load of crap. And I desperately hope I'm right in doing so.
 

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Yep, they're still around, best advice I can give about conspiracy theories, ignore them and they will go away because one of two things has happened...

1. They just want attention by posting something outlandish and bizarre, nobody pays attention, they give up, and may even remove their videos.

2. They actually believe what they're saying and get convinced that the Zionist/Illuminati/Lizardmen brainwashing is too entrenched for them to handle and take off their videos.
 

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Bigeyez said:
Thats not mentioning that our gov't had no motives to do this, nor would our gov't even be able to pull off the elaborate scheme that "Loose Change" tries to insinuate that they do.
I agree with your other points, But as a Brit I must say, No-one really[/I] made much attempt to take out Saddam & Al-Qaeda till said attack. Im not saying it was all a big ploy, But i think the US govt is more than capable of pulling off a 9/11-esque attack.
 

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Regarding the Cuban plan, it was called Operation Northwood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood . I wonder how things would have turned out if Kennardy had authorized that plan?
 

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canadamus_prime said:
Well I'm not about to make any accusations or blame anybody, all I'm going to say is that I find it pretty fucking hard to believe that planes crashing into the towers near the top would cause them to collapse, esp. since one of 'em barely nicked the thing.
Barely nicked it? They both plowed through the walls/windows and burned for awhile inside... if one of them 'nicked' the tower, it'd have fallen out. :p
 

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tthor said:
shadowstriker86 said:
So i was bored and went on youtube watching commentaries for south park, and i listen to the one about the "mystery of the urinal deuce" and down below i see comments from people saying that it was the government that planted bombs in the building and that it wasnt planes that crashed into the buildings. Really? There are still retards out there that dont believe that terrorists were the ones who blew up the two towers? The biggest arguement being "fire cant melt steel". If i remember right i think thats how they made swords back in the dark ages. I dunno, im a bit tired at the moment so i cant remember the melting point of steel, but ya, i dont believe any of these conspiracies about 9/11, what about you ppls?
steel requires a very high melting point, higher than that of a normal fire(i know this cause i was doing research on how to smith metal because i want to make a sword lol)
the cause of the steel being melted was jet fuel. jet fuel from the crashed plane leaked out and created a much hotter fire, hot enough to melt steel.
1,148 °C (2,098 °F)=Normal Steel Melts at
210 °C (410 °F)=Highest point Jet fuel Burns at

This lasted for 56 Minitues untill the Giant support collums broke down. Something about Jet fuel burning at ten times its highest tempture to burn Molten Steel Doesn't seem right, Or that an Aluminium plane Crashing into the WTC's Towers at 913 km/h Somehow Breaking the foundation allowing Jet fuel to seek into the collums to break it down causeing a pancake effect that the building was designed to stop. I'm not crazy, I don't believe anyone did anything. But Questions arive and I think we need to find out a little more about the 9/11 attacks
 

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Btw, a big piece of speculation that the government wasnt involved in 9/11: They couldnt even cover up a burglary in a cheap motel in the 70's.
 

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101194 said:
1,148 °C (2,098 °F)=Normal Steel Melts at
38 °C (100 °F)=Highest point Jet fuel Burns at
I'm pretty sure burning jet fuel isn't 100 degrees. its 800-1500, which is enough to soften steel.
 

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NeutralDrow said:
UNKNOWNINCOGNITO said:
shadowstriker86 said:
So i was bored and went on youtube watching commentaries for south park, and i listen to the one about the "mystery of the urinal deuce" and down below i see comments from people saying that it was the government that planted bombs in the building and that it wasnt planes that crashed into the buildings. Really? There are still retards out there that dont believe that terrorists were the ones who blew up the two towers? The biggest arguement being "fire cant melt steel". If i remember right i think thats how they made swords back in the dark ages. I dunno, im a bit tired at the moment so i cant remember the melting point of steel, but ya, i dont believe any of these conspiracies about 9/11, what about you ppls?
Have you ever seen the documentry "Loose Change ?" look it up on youtube because it perfectly explains how 9/11 was a inside job with great detail.
I did. It was the most idiotic thing I've ever watched.

<url=http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html>And here's why.
Dude, thanks! Up 'til now I thought that movie was real (Go ahead, laugh). Thanks for pulling my head out of the sand my ass.