9/11 conspiracies. Really, they still exist?

[Sixties Spidey]

Isn't 9/11 already a conspiracy enough to make the theorists happy? I mean don't these people know that something so small, so crazy, and so mean can destroy something big and beautiful?

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Because they're different units of measurment, perhaps?

so? i don't understand what the problem is? he isn't using them interchangingly(real word lol?) hes just showing them both side by side.

But he said that the "necessary temperature" was "ten times greater" than the temperature of the burning jet fuel. The only way that could be true is if he was comparing directly the 210 degrees Celsius of the ignition point of jet fuel with the 2,000+ degrees Fahrenheit melting point of steel. In actuality, the difference was half that if you compare Celsius to Celsius, or Fahrenheit to Fahrenheit. It would be like saying someone who weighed 140 lbs is twice as heavy as someone weighing 70 kilograms.

 

[101194]

Look, Just to clear some stuff up, I'm not a Conspiracy Theorist, I just think we need to investigate 9/11. Find out and show That Conspiracy theorists are wrong, Or that whoever was behind the attack be put to justice. Whoever that might be.

 

[Mcupobob]

http://xkcd.com/258/
this.

 

[101194]

Because they're different units of measurment, perhaps?

so? i don't understand what the problem is? he isn't using them interchangingly(real word lol?) hes just showing them both side by side.

But he said that the "necessary temperature" was "ten times greater" than the temperature of the burning jet fuel. The only way that could be true is if he was comparing directly the 210 degrees Celsius of the ignition point of jet fuel with the 2,000+ degrees Fahrenheit melting point of steel. In actuality, the difference was half that if you compare Celsius to Celsius, or Fahrenheit to Fahrenheit. It would be like saying someone who weighed 140 lbs is twice as heavy as someone weighing 70 kilograms.

Look back at my argument, I was comparing the Tempature at which steel burns, To what jet fuel burns at, I exagerated to make a point. Sence anyone who really cares, Would be american. Thank you.

 

[captainwillies]

Regarding the steel. It didn't melt, it just was heated to the point where the steel beams could bend enough, thus all the weight it supported came crashing down.

there are still the interview's with the firemen were they clearly state that there were "pool's of liquified steel".

makes me wonder if anyone has seen Zeitgeist on this site?

 

[101194]

Regarding the steel. It didn't melt, it just was heated to the point where the steel beams could bend enough, thus all the weight it supported came crashing down.

there are still the interview's with the firemen were they clearly state that there were "pool's of liquified steel".

makes me wonder if anyone has seen Zeitgeist on this site?

I have, But about 90% in that movie was compelte bullshit, Just like "Loose Change" and every damn conspiracy movie out there, They make me feel bad about questioning 9/11.

 

[Cryo84R]

So i was bored and went on youtube watching commentaries for south park, and i listen to the one about the "mystery of the urinal deuce" and down below i see comments from people saying that it was the government that planted bombs in the building and that it wasnt planes that crashed into the buildings. Really? There are still retards out there that dont believe that terrorists were the ones who blew up the two towers? The biggest arguement being "fire cant melt steel". If i remember right i think thats how they made swords back in the dark ages. I dunno, im a bit tired at the moment so i cant remember the melting point of steel, but ya, i dont believe any of these conspiracies about 9/11, what about you ppls?

Have you ever seen the documentry "Loose Change ?" look it up on youtube because it perfectly explains how 9/11 was a inside job with great detail.

Oh and there are some obvious "WTF"'s in 9/11 because of the melting point of the structures metals and the fuel that was said to catch fire did not match up since kerosene ( I think thats the fuels name) burns with a lower tempreture then the metals boiling points.

as well as the obvious one. Buildings only collpase on them selves with controlled demoltion ! seriously if you see that way they fall considering they were hit by a damn plane it makes no sense to why the towers ended up falling in on them selves rather then breaking apart or toppling over.

but true fact is that there is more to 9/11 then what people say and the american goverment perfectly has the potential to do this since they did something similar back in the 50's (or 60's sorry don't know the exact date) ,, where a plan was made to frame cuba for attacking a airline with american citizans in it when really it was a dummy plane that would be flying over cuba and be there were bombs inside and they would be denonated remotely from another area, ofcourse this plan was never executed but it proves what there capable of now and watch that documentry if you want realistic answers.

(And another thing thats for sure they really pissed of the muslims for making them sound like terrorist)

Kill yourself.

 

[dochmbi]

Whether the towers were blown up or not I do not know, but whether the government arranged for the planes to crash into the towers, that is possible.
Most conspiracy theories are just ludicrous but this one, I regard it as a very real possibility, doesn't mean I absolutely believe it was arranged, like some stupid people would.

Many wars have been started in the same way. Create a decoy attack in order to justify "defending" yourself.

 

[AvsJoe]

So i was bored and went on youtube watching commentaries for south park, and i listen to the one about the "mystery of the urinal deuce" and down below i see comments from people saying that it was the government that planted bombs in the building and that it wasnt planes that crashed into the buildings. Really? There are still retards out there that dont believe that terrorists were the ones who blew up the two towers? The biggest arguement being "fire cant melt steel". If i remember right i think thats how they made swords back in the dark ages. I dunno, im a bit tired at the moment so i cant remember the melting point of steel, but ya, i dont believe any of these conspiracies about 9/11, what about you ppls?

Have you ever seen the documentry "Loose Change ?" look it up on youtube because it perfectly explains how 9/11 was a inside job with great detail.

I did. It was the most idiotic thing I've ever watched.

<url=http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html>And here's why.

Dude, thanks! Up 'til now I thought that movie was real (Go ahead, laugh). Thanks for pulling my head out of the sand my ass.

Well they DID do a pretty good job on making the movie persuasive, even though 'tis a pack of lies.

I'll say! I gave it a 10-star rating on IMDB when I first watched it and I'm not changing it despite knowing the truth. That Avery guy still gets kudos from me despite him being a massive liar. I wish I had even half of his skills in the editing room.

 

[captainwillies]

Regarding the steel. It didn't melt, it just was heated to the point where the steel beams could bend enough, thus all the weight it supported came crashing down.

there are still the interview's with the firemen were they clearly state that there were "pool's of liquified steel".

makes me wonder if anyone has seen Zeitgeist on this site?

I have, But about 90% in that movie was compelte bullshit, Just like "Loose Change" and every damn conspiracy movie out there, They make me feel bad about questioning 9/11.

alot of people hand pick stuff but

-the steel beams melting
-the buildings falling at terminal velocity
-the passports found in the rubble
-the "NoD" defence system

those four are pretty solid stuff. but what normal people seem to do is look at things in ether black or white hence "ITS A CONSPIRACY YOU NAZI SHEEPLE" and "QUIT TALKING YOU STUPID HIPPY". were surely there can be middle ground like say the goverment had pre-knowledge of the attack but failed to do anything because they suck (not surprising since thats when bush was still prez) and to cover up their massive failure planted passports to make it look less suspicious.

of course that still doesn't explain "everything" but like i said there is surely a logical "middle ground"

 

[NeutralDrow]

I think the camera angle leads this person to believe they were insubstantial hits. Oh, and kudos to the person who sited Popular Mechanics...beat me to the punch =p.
www.debunking911.com has a lot of good information as well and addresses point by point most of the arguments theorists make.

I like my kudos thank you. What is a kudo anyways?

Kudos is the singular. It's Greek (and essentially means "praise").

There's no such word in greek.

Kydos, then. Happy?

The truth is, the media can create evidence, influence popular opinion, do anything they want really. They are the terrorists; they make you afraid of conveniently faceless people. You should be afraid of nothing!

*blink*

Governments lying to its people for a hidden cause is nothing new. Many dictatorships around the world can attest to this (past and present). Ah ah ah, I know you're thinking "The US is not a dictatorship!" Sure, but it does remind of one. What with all the policing, influencing of popular opinion through the media, breaking human rights in the name of "security"... That last one really did begin as a measure against "terrorists", people that don't even exist. Seriously, would you have ever seen a terrorist if not on TV? Think good and hard about it.

*blink*

A lot of people say "Killing 3,000 people just like that! What government would do that? You people are loonies!", yet you forget how little any government cares. If governments really cared, TVs would be long gone. If they really cared, alcohol would be illegal (or, to the same effect, all drugs would be legal). if they really cared, they would not start wars for any reason.

"The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it". A. Hitler

Any similarities with contemporary events is clearly coincidental, of course.

Clearly.

I know you guys are pretty biased, but you should look at this documentary made by an Italian Europarliamentarian. So that you don't say that it's american politics game or anything.

http://zero911movie.com/site/

I have yet to find an intelligent argument against the "conspiracy theories", by the way. They always focus on lack of evidence or something, while forgetting that evidence can be forged and manipulated. They do not explain the US' extremely militant (with very little effect) behaviour post-9/11, both within and outside its borders.

You haven't been paying attention, of course. Every single anti-conspiracy link posted in this thread so far has been counteracting supposed "evidence" of conspiracy. Frankly, the biggest piece of evidence is simply that we don't have that much money.

And what the hell are you talking about, don't explain U.S. militancy? There was no other reason to go to Afghanistan, and considering the neocon control of the government in the early decade, an invasion of Iraq was an inevitability, terrorist attack or no.

And what exact military operation within our borders are you talking about?

Many wars have been started in the same way. Create a decoy attack in order to justify "defending" yourself.

Yes, because the Taliban was such a huge and obvious threat to us. And the supposed Iraqi threat had everything to do with terrorist attacks, and nothing to do with nuclear stockpiles.

 

[101194]

Regarding the steel. It didn't melt, it just was heated to the point where the steel beams could bend enough, thus all the weight it supported came crashing down.

there are still the interview's with the firemen were they clearly state that there were "pool's of liquified steel".

makes me wonder if anyone has seen Zeitgeist on this site?

I have, But about 90% in that movie was compelte bullshit, Just like "Loose Change" and every damn conspiracy movie out there, They make me feel bad about questioning 9/11.

alot of people hand pick stuff but

-the steel beams melting
-the buildings falling at terminal velocity
-the passports found in the rubble
-the "NoD" defence system

those four are pretty solid stuff. but what normal people seem to do is look at things in ether black or white hence "ITS A CONSPIRACY YOU NAZI SHEEPLE" and "QUIT TALKING YOU STUPID HIPPY". were surely there can be middle ground like say the goverment had pre-knowledge of the attack but failed to do anything because they suck (not surprising since thats when bush was still prez) and to cover up their massive failure planted passports to make it look less suspicious.

of course that still doesn't explain "everything" but like i said there is surely a logical "middle ground"

Thank you, You made my day...OR night...Lol

 

[captainwillies]

Thank you, You made my day...OR night...Lol

by the way did you know there is a second zeitgeist

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912#

zeitgeist:addendum

 

[101194]

Thank you, You made my day...OR night...Lol

by the way did you know there is a second zeitgeist

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912#

zeitgeist:addendum

Watched it allready, Still standing by my 90% bullshit standard.

 

[somekindarobot]

The truth is, the media can create evidence, influence popular opinion, do anything they want really. They are the terrorists; they make you afraid of conveniently faceless people. You should be afraid of nothing!

Y'know, the media don't own the police so they can't falsify evidence, and they're not owned by the government so they have little reason to obey them.

Governments lying to its people for a hidden cause is nothing new. Many dictatorships around the world can attest to this (past and present). Ah ah ah, I know you're thinking "The US is not a dictatorship!" Sure, but it does remind of one. What with all the policing, influencing of popular opinion through the media, breaking human rights in the name of "security"... That last one really did begin as a measure against "terrorists", people that don't even exist. Seriously, would you have ever seen a terrorist if not on TV? Think good and hard about it.

Well, the only policing I noticed since 9/11 is the TSA (take 3 0z. of my goddamn piss, why don't you?), I said earlier the media, which you talk about as if it's a single entity which it certainly isn't, is NOT owned by the government, although unfortunately your right about violation of human rights in the name of security, we're trying to make amends for that one. But are you trying to say that terrorists are made up? Then who the hell keeps setting up those bombs, especially when they cause more complications for the government than conveniences? Who killed Archduke Ferdinand and William McKinley, or put all that gunpowder under Parliament, or did all of a millennium's worth of what can you could call terrorism?

A lot of people say "Killing 3,000 people just like that! What government would do that? You people are loonies!", yet you forget how little any government cares. If governments really cared, TVs would be long gone. If they really cared, alcohol would be illegal (or, to the same effect, all drugs would be legal). if they really cared, they would not start wars for any reason.

Hands off my goddamn TV and booze, you fuckin' fascist!

"The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it". A. Hitler

Godwin's Law, *****.

Any similarities with contemporary events is clearly coincidental, of course.

I know you guys are pretty biased, but you should look at this documentary made by an Italian Europarliamentarian. So that you don't say that it's american politics game or anything.

http://zero911movie.com/site/

Speak for yourself on being biased. And no. You see one crackpot conspiracy video, you've seen them all, in my opinion.

I have yet to find an intelligent argument against the "conspiracy theories", by the way. They always focus on lack of evidende or something, while forgetting that evidence can be forged and manipulated. They do not explain the US' extremely militant (with very little effect) behaviour post-9/11, both within and outside its borders.

If all evidence, no matter what, could be forged, how the hell do you "know" your evidence is more real than the established evidence. Also, you don't need to forge an overly complex false flag operation that our bungling government couldn't possibly control to explain recent American militancy. All it takes is perception of a threat, a large standing army, and a particularly belligerent regime (again, sorry about that). Also I don't know if you know, but America is not a police state. I know, I live here. It's quite lovely actually, you should visit.

 

[captainwillies]

Thank you, You made my day...OR night...Lol

by the way did you know there is a second zeitgeist

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912#

zeitgeist:addendum

Watched it allready, Still standing by my 90% bullshit standard.

lol the second isn't so much conspiracy as it is "the monertary system sucks" which is why i like it much better.

 

[101194]

Thank you, You made my day...OR night...Lol

by the way did you know there is a second zeitgeist

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912#

zeitgeist:addendum

Watched it allready, Still standing by my 90% bullshit standard.

lol the second isn't so much conspiracy as it is "the monertary system sucks" which is why i like it much better.

I guessed wrong, I'm watching it right now, Thank you!