Its times like these when I wish we were under the iron grip of a cruel and sadistic dictator. Then we would KNOW our government is out to get us.
9/11 conspiracies. Really, they still exist?
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Well they DID do a pretty good job on making the movie persuasive, even though 'tis a pack of lies.AvsJoe said:
It was much more then "a little off-centre" but that's beside the point. I refuse to believe that a plane crashing into the towers near the top would cause them to completely collapse. And that's all I'm saying on the matter!grimsprice said:
Why are you confusing the flash point with something completely different?101194 said:
There have been one or two days here in Seattle where the high temperature was higher than the "Highest point Jet fuel Burns at" according to you. Elsewhere, such as in Arizona, that temperature is regularly achieved. Now I want you to understand something: a summer day in Arizona or Texas, while very hot, is not like putting your hand into burning jet fuel.
Yes I totally agree...But unfortunatly people convince them selves that their believes are the onlly true solution to a problem...which leads to a Holy War...Now I know that hasn't happened in a long time but trust me give a person too much rights and freedom and he will abuse itNoMoreSanity said:
Don't be so condiscending, because every once and a while you end up looking like and ignorant asshole. Like now. Jet A has a fairly high flash point of 38°C (100°F), with an autoignition temperature of 210 °C (410 °F).101194 said:
flash point
-noun
1. Also, flashing point. Physical Chemistry. the lowest temperature at which a liquid in a specified apparatus will give off sufficient vapor to ignite momentarily on application of a flame.
Autoignition is the temperature needed to ignite the vapor. Not the amount of heat given off by a fire with said fuel in it
FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). As stated by Popular Mechanics.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
On another note: 100 degrees F is less than a a hot shower. You're telling me that if i put jet fuel on my skin and ignite it, its only going to be as hot as a cool shower?
Thats totally alright.101194 said:
Unfortunately you're still wrong. Thats the temperature needed to ignite it. If you put Jet fuel in an oven and turned the temperature up to that level it will ignite.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
As i said before. 800-1500 as stated by Popular Mechanics.
9/11 theories will live as long as assholes like Giuliani use it as an answer for everything. And as other people have stated 'loose change' is a bad example of 9/11 theories. It raises good questions but forces itself to answer those questions terribly like a round peg being forced in a square hole.
But neither side (between apple pie fuckers and tin foil hat aficionados) is worth joining. I myself don't have a theory, I'm not a armchair engineer. But the official 9/11 commission report and council that wrote it are bullshit inside and out.
But neither side (between apple pie fuckers and tin foil hat aficionados) is worth joining. I myself don't have a theory, I'm not a armchair engineer. But the official 9/11 commission report and council that wrote it are bullshit inside and out.
Look, Thats the tempture is would be when it is IGNITED No where can I find other does it say that Jet fuel burns at 800-1500 degrees. Even if it "Does" Average Steel melts at 1,000 °C (1,830 °F Still not enough to burn steel. I hate having to use wikipedia But It's the fastest way I can find it.grimsprice said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel
Jet Fuel Ignites at A Below average Burning tempature of 210 °C (410 °F). I'll keep looking to back up your facts.
the belief in these theories is just proof that people are getting more stupid with every generation. these people would have tried to prove that the attack on pearl harbor was planned and executed by our own government! people belive everything they hear from bad sources. some woman in the grocery store tried to tell me that high fructose corn syrup wasnt bad for you cause it was natural and made from corn. she said it as though i were the idiot and told me "didn't you see the commercials?" that was when i asked her "ok did you see who put out the ad?" "No". "IT WAS PUT OUT BY THE CORN REFINERS ASSOCIATION YOU STUPID FUCKTARD!" this would be like the tobacco industry puting out ads saying "tobacco is safe!" and having people believe it! so who puts out the 9/11 conspiracies?? PEOPLE WHO HATE THE US GOVERNMENT! of course these idiots will try to put ANYTHING on the US government to try and make it look like pure evil. they will use half truths and whole lies to make it seem they have "facts" that prove thier theories. its all bullshit.
TERRORISTS ATTACKED THIS COUNTRY!
WE WENT TO AFGHANISTAN TO PUT AN END TO THEM!
and dont bring up WMD's cause that doesnt apply. that was Iraq's deal not Afghanistan's.
TERRORISTS ATTACKED THIS COUNTRY!
WE WENT TO AFGHANISTAN TO PUT AN END TO THEM!
and dont bring up WMD's cause that doesnt apply. that was Iraq's deal not Afghanistan's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-Fe-IwAPA8shadowstriker86 said:
yep they sure are still out and about.
escpially since "Zeitgeist 2" came out
There's no such word in greek.NeutralDrow said:
The truth is, the media can create evidence, influence popular opinion, do anything they want really. They are the terrorists; they make you afraid of conveniently faceless people. You should be afraid of nothing!
Governments lying to its people for a hidden cause is nothing new. Many dictatorships around the world can attest to this (past and present). Ah ah ah, I know you're thinking "The US is not a dictatorship!" Sure, but it does remind of one. What with all the policing, influencing of popular opinion through the media, breaking human rights in the name of "security"... That last one really did begin as a measure against "terrorists", people that don't even exist. Seriously, would you have ever seen a terrorist if not on TV? Think good and hard about it.
A lot of people say "Killing 3,000 people just like that! What government would do that? You people are loonies!", yet you forget how little any government cares. If governments really cared, TVs would be long gone. If they really cared, alcohol would be illegal (or, to the same effect, all drugs would be legal). if they really cared, they would not start wars for any reason.
"The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it". A. Hitler
Any similarities with contemporary events is clearly coincidental, of course.
I know you guys are pretty biased, but you should look at this documentary made by an Italian Europarliamentarian. So that you don't say that it's american politics game or anything.
http://zero911movie.com/site/
I have yet to find an intelligent argument against the "conspiracy theories", by the way. They always focus on lack of evidende or something, while forgetting that evidence can be forged and manipulated. They do not explain the US' extremely militant (with very little effect) behaviour post-9/11, both within and outside its borders.
so? i don't understand what the problem is? he isn't using them interchangingly(real word lol?) hes just showing them both side by side.Dense_Electric said: