95% population reduction

[Doug]

I like the way insular little human beings think that theres a conspiracy against them when their frakking ineptitude in all things prove far more deterimental than deliberate action.

6.5 ish BILLION breeders continuing to squirt out babies on a planet that can only support 1 B happily.

Its amazing isn't it? Never underestimate the stupidity of a herd of people, or gullable people. Apparently, something close to %50 of Americans think the moon landing never happened, and that 9/11 was a US government conspiracy.

 

[SeleneRose]

I like the way insular little human beings think that theres a conspiracy against them when their frakking ineptitude in all things prove far more deterimental than deliberate action.

6.5 ish BILLION breeders continuing to squirt out babies on a planet that can only support 1 B happily.

Its amazing isn't it? Never underestimate the stupidity of a herd of people, or gullable people. Apparently, something close to %50 of Americans think the moon landing never happened, and that 9/11 was a US government conspiracy.

So, seroiusly?
You really think that the planet can only support 1 bill happily?
..
You far underestimate the power of human innovation

 

[Lios]

The majority owns food, in no way can they control all farmers and industries.

Sure they can--in fact, they already have the means to do so. Check the latest EPA rule on C02 emissions. Farming (hell, just BREATHING) produces CO2--which is now considered a pollutant and thus regulated by the EPA. The only thing stopping them from literally taking control of everything and anything that anyone does is the willingness of people to put up with intrusions into their lives. But they have the *legally-declared* power to do it, the only way to resist this new EPA is to willfully become a criminal and risk fines or even jail time.

The U.S. is a de jure dictatorship. It's just not (hurrah!) one de facto quite yet.

Basically what he's suggesting is that if the entire government were to restrict our food supplies, there would be far too many people for even the EPA to stop. An entire government can be taken down by the simple rejection of its people.

Laws can be broken, and when a majority of people break the laws at once, including the people working for that government (such as police or even the military who feel the governments decision is way past wrong), not much can be done about it. You could kill everyone that resisted the change, but hell even that would end up in a really shitty situation, and it might go horribly wrong and they would win in fighting back.

Sure they can enforce laws, but they can't stop people from reacting.

 

[Doug]

I like the way insular little human beings think that theres a conspiracy against them when their frakking ineptitude in all things prove far more deterimental than deliberate action.

6.5 ish BILLION breeders continuing to squirt out babies on a planet that can only support 1 B happily.

Its amazing isn't it? Never underestimate the stupidity of a herd of people, or gullable people. Apparently, something close to %50 of Americans think the moon landing never happened, and that 9/11 was a US government conspiracy.

So, seroiusly?
You really think that the planet can only support 1 bill happily?
..
You far underestimate the power of human innovation

With the current level of technology, yeah. Add to that, the vast majorty of nations around the world can't afford the technology to support our overly large population.

And its not just a matter of food, its of ecological impact, resource consumption, energy consumption, space and land consumption, clean water usage, farm land space... to name but a few. As Sir David Attenbourgh (the renowned nature show presenter) said recently, "I've never seen a problem that wouldn't be easier to solve with fewer people, or harder, and ultimately impossible, with more."
(source [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7996230.stm]), and bare in mind this guy has been around the world for something like 50 years. He knows what he's talking about, heh.

 

[Horticulture]

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/codex-alimentarius.html

I learned about it off a movie called 'Esoteric Agenda.' Pretty good, kinda preachy towards the end. Anyhow, the World Health Organization and the world's top governments are planning to start 'codex alimentarius' on December 31, 2009.

I'm no conspiracy theory psycho-type with tin foil on my ceiling, but given all the food recalls and the downward slant of worldwide diplomacy, it's doesn't seem so far fetched that top officials will regain control over people by controlling one of our basic necessities- food. For instance, fluoride in the water is bad, to say the least. It puts holes in your blood cells and screws up your teeth in large amounts. The after the food recalls of peaches, tomatoes and spinach, people started to notice it didn't taste quite the same, something seems to be 'missing.'

Anyhow, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daN8249zTYk&feature=related

Thats just one video you can watch to see what people are saying about it. Just be sure to mute it at 5:55.

I personally blame the Illuminati.

 

[DalekJaas]

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/codex-alimentarius.html

I learned about it off a movie called 'Esoteric Agenda.' Pretty good, kinda preachy towards the end. Anyhow, the World Health Organization and the world's top governments are planning to start 'codex alimentarius' on December 31, 2009.

I'm no conspiracy theory psycho-type with tin foil on my ceiling, but given all the food recalls and the downward slant of worldwide diplomacy, it's doesn't seem so far fetched that top officials will regain control over people by controlling one of our basic necessities- food. For instance, fluoride in the water is bad, to say the least

Do you know anything about Fluoride??

 

[Lukirre]

I DO NOT have a black and white view of the world. Im the grayest person there is. It's just people tend to underestimate the stupidity of other people.
Just because ZP is an entertainer doesn't mean he doesnt have an important point. Besides, he was reviewing Hawx, which was produced by Tom Clancy. Someone who has actually war and political expeirience.
Your right in that you cannot control what A PERSON thinks. But you can control the group mentality. A person is smart, people are dumb. and its true. We live in a world where majority rules. There has probably never been a place where every body agreed on everything, even a little, but its not like WWII happened because hitler had a minority. And people don't die for money for themselves on purpose....i hope, but you know.... People do die for other people, pieces of dirt, idealogy, and yes money(not intentionally of course). If someone threatened to kill the one you love, etc.....Its not about money, it has, is and always will be about power. Wow that was actually B/W. Let me rephrase. I have hope for humanity. I love humanity but i am frustrated with the fact it keeps repeating fundamenatal mistakes. Humans ARE animals, and are suceptible to basic pathetic primal urges. I'm sorry but this is true. I really want the world to change. And if it takes a Private military /world domination scheme to do it then so be it. But we really need to change NOW.
Also, generally, yes, people want to die or consider suicide on an average of 1-5 times a year.

That actually sounded pretty black and white to me.
"A person is smart, people are dumb, change people."
You say that humans are animals, so it's only natural that they have 'primal urges' (or pathetic urges, as you wish to refer to them).
You continue to say that people have to change (for...no apparent reason at all), which in your eyes includes that people have their entire world views changed, and that a government force steals any sort of instinct that they have and turns it into a computerized thought processor.

It may not be what you said, but it's what's implied.

1) Welcome to the "I hate humans" bandwagon. If you look to your left, you see many angst ridden teenagers who feel the same as you, and if you look to your right, you'll see that no one really gives a shit. It seems only popular nowadays for people to not accept humans as social animals. We are not meant to progress at a rate that is normally reserved for beings of myth. Were we to, I'm sure all stupidity and ignorance would be erased from humanity, right? Well, quite wrong indeed. Humans, as you said, are just pathetic animals. You can domesticate one generation but the next will be a different story. That, and, I don't really see why the world is in such drastic need of change, if we're talking specifically about human beings. Do you propose we elimate those with an IQ of less than 95?

2) "And if it takes a Private military /world domination scheme to do it then so be it."
You know, Hitler thoroughly believed that what he was doing was in the best interest of mankind, and that society would develop into a unified utopia or peace, splendor, and euphoria. I think I can safely say that it's not what happened. The UN won't gather around one day and say "You know...if someone tries to blow us all to Hell...why not? I'm tired."

3) No, Zero Punctuation is not a credible source. I don't care how funny you find him to be, he's a humourist. Don't even try to defend your using him as a citation. Actually, don't even try to defend yourself.

 

[Uszi]

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/codex-alimentarius.html
... For instance, fluoride in the water is bad, to say the least. It puts holes in your blood cells and screws up your teeth in large amounts. ...

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

General Jack D. Ripper: I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

I can't have been the only one to think of this right away.

 

[Doug]

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/codex-alimentarius.html
... For instance, fluoride in the water is bad, to say the least. It puts holes in your blood cells and screws up your teeth in large amounts. ...

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

General Jack D. Ripper: I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

I can't have been the only one to think of this right away.

Bwhhaha, I'd forgotten about that one. Quick, launch all nuclear attack wings for Russian!

 

[dwightsteel]

The majority owns food, in no way can they control all farmers and industries.

Exactly, the masses cannot be controlled. Lets see 5% of the world controll 95% of the world, there aren't enough bullets.

All power to the people.

But the people don't control the FDA, who can take all the food on the basis of "Health Safety".

Not that I don't think that the whole argument is complete bullshit to begin with. But it would be possible, and no one would really notice.

 

[Baneat]

Yeah whatever, go put it in the massive landfill of conspiracy theories on your way out.

 

[SyphonX]

Okay, I've read enough of the "5% of the population can't control the other 95%" bullshit. Pull your head out of your fucking ass.

1% of the world owns more wealth than everybody else combined. <1% of the world writes your laws and activates your armies. Grow up.

 

[Lullabye]

I DO NOT have a black and white view of the world. Im the grayest person there is. It's just people tend to underestimate the stupidity of other people.
Just because ZP is an entertainer doesn't mean he doesnt have an important point. Besides, he was reviewing Hawx, which was produced by Tom Clancy. Someone who has actually war and political expeirience.
Your right in that you cannot control what A PERSON thinks. But you can control the group mentality. A person is smart, people are dumb. and its true. We live in a world where majority rules. There has probably never been a place where every body agreed on everything, even a little, but its not like WWII happened because hitler had a minority. And people don't die for money for themselves on purpose....i hope, but you know.... People do die for other people, pieces of dirt, idealogy, and yes money(not intentionally of course). If someone threatened to kill the one you love, etc.....Its not about money, it has, is and always will be about power. Wow that was actually B/W. Let me rephrase. I have hope for humanity. I love humanity but i am frustrated with the fact it keeps repeating fundamenatal mistakes. Humans ARE animals, and are suceptible to basic pathetic primal urges. I'm sorry but this is true. I really want the world to change. And if it takes a Private military /world domination scheme to do it then so be it. But we really need to change NOW.
Also, generally, yes, people want to die or consider suicide on an average of 1-5 times a year.

That actually sounded pretty black and white to me.
"A person is smart, people are dumb, change people."
You say that humans are animals, so it's only natural that they have 'primal urges' (or pathetic urges, as you wish to refer to them).
You continue to say that people have to change (for...no apparent reason at all), which in your eyes includes that people have their entire world views changed, and that a government force steals any sort of instinct that they have and turns it into a computerized thought processor.

It may not be what you said, but it's what's implied.

1) Welcome to the "I hate humans" bandwagon. If you look to your left, you see many angst ridden teenagers who feel the same as you, and if you look to your right, you'll see that no one really gives a shit. It seems only popular nowadays for people to not accept humans as social animals. We are not meant to progress at a rate that is normally reserved for beings of myth. Were we to, I'm sure all stupidity and ignorance would be erased from humanity, right? Well, quite wrong indeed. Humans, as you said, are just pathetic animals. You can domesticate one generation but the next will be a different story. That, and, I don't really see why the world is in such drastic need of change, if we're talking specifically about human beings. Do you propose we elimate those with an IQ of less than 95?

2) "And if it takes a Private military /world domination scheme to do it then so be it."
You know, Hitler thoroughly believed that what he was doing was in the best interest of mankind, and that society would develop into a unified utopia or peace, splendor, and euphoria. I think I can safely say that it's not what happened. The UN won't gather around one day and say "You know...if someone tries to blow us all to Hell...why not? I'm tired."

3) No, Zero Punctuation is not a credible source. I don't care how funny you find him to be, he's a humourist. Don't even try to defend your using him as a citation. Actually, don't even try to defend yourself.

I say people need to change and you take it personnaly. I dont hate humans at all. I love them (especially females). Christ almighty this is the problem! On one side we have angsty teenagers who hate everything cause they feel life's unfair etc.... and then we have you dipshits who say "dont care, boohoo, life sucks so what deal with it" which just shows you are as immature as they are, in fact its easy to see that you at one time were one of them and your views never really changed, you just had to deal with it. Yes, I am an angsty teenager, I realize that. When i reread my posts i can see the angstyness. But im also a realist, and a dreamer. I do not remember implying in any way that "a government force steals any sort of instinct that they have and turns it into a computerized thought processor." Thats what you took from that because thats what you would mean if you had said that. But im not you. I know people have emotions, people need emotions to live, without them ther is no meaning to life for us. Thats why the last thing I want is that "perfect society" everyone so often refers to. I want a SMART goveernment and world order. I dont see whats so angsty about that. But my being a realist I wont let myself be fooled into thinking it would work now with the way people are. Honestly, just LOOK at the state of the world! The ECONOMY IS CRASHING! I dont think its because of warlocks or gremlins either.
I concede defeat on the ZP point. I wasnt actually him as a reference, just the plotline of hawx.
And finally, addressing the whole world domination bit. You said I hate humans, that i think all humans are stupid, but the instant somebody talks about ruling the world you say "nope, hitler, HITLER!!!' so if your going to blame me for hating humans that at least acknowledge the fact that you and everybody else are small minded indiviuals. Not every attempt a WD will be done by a hitler clone. Man this ticks me off. Say for instance, if Jesus(hypothetical) wanted to unite the world, do you really think he'd pull a hitler. What about Ganhdi? hitler had the right idea but the wrong(very very wrong) way of doing it. Hitler was wrong for what he did because it was detrimental to humanity as a whole. If say, the only thing standing between me and world domination was a bunch of zealots who love their countries freedom, then i'd weigh the situation, see if I could resolve it peacefully, and if not, then I'd annihilate them. Because world peace, for our children and our childrens children, outweighs nationalistic pride anytime. Pride is the original sin after all. And correct me if im wrong but isnt the UN supposed to SUPPORT world peace? If anything it will be the UN who takes over the world.
Humans are animals, that statement without fail; manages to insult everybody i say that to. but thats because the truth hurts. You said we are not meant to progress at the rate of things usually reserved for things of legend.
How the fuck do you know?
In case you hadnt noticed, there is nothing holding us back. We can now fuck with the genome and make superhumans! Why not? Its immoral? Please, thats fucking sad. Its immoral to kill people but you support your country in war. (dont give me that, we wereinvaded though:selfdefense crap, murder is murder) I dont want to kill off everybody under a certain IQ, i just think we shoul stopp them from breeding, or at least make sure they breed with someone smarter/stronger. Eliminate the weakest links.
I think there is nothing wrong with advancing humanity in everyway possible. I want to get this done b4 we get off this planet to. Otherwise it could be trouble. Wars between planets, thats a very forseeable future for people unless they change, and by change I mean, become nicer and smarter. There see, I'm not that angsty, just a dreamer.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Wait I'll get Malthus on the line

 

[SqueeFactor]

again, just throwing out whats out there. its up to you, i dont believe in it, im just bringing to light whats out there

 

[Sparrow]

You underestimate how many bullets there really are.

Well, there's definately not enough "aim".

I'm totally hoping for a Fallout soon. It want a neat Vault tracksuit.

 

[The Gardener]

You seem to be missing the point. If such a plan existed, they wouldn't break into everyones house with a bunch of soldiers and take all your food, the plan would be carried out by economic sanctions, wars, and generally legal methods.

According to some, the 1994 UN Biodiversity Conference recommended a 80% reduction in population. I've never heard of the Alimentarius, and I believe that Esoteric Agenda was referring to something else (I haven;t seen it in a while). I really, really keep up with the conspiracy movement, and though I've heard tonnes about the UN using a plan (the name of which escape me) to reduce the population, this Alimentarius reeks of misguided attention.

 

[KissofKetchup]

The majority owns food, in no way can they control all farmers and industries.

Exactly, the masses cannot be controlled. Lets see 5% of the world controll 95% of the world, there aren't enough bullets.

All power to the people.

You'd be surprised, 9% White population effectively controlled the 89% of blacks during apartheid, so it really can be done unfortunately.