A MAN'S TOPIC: Why are They Obcessed with sex?

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matrix3509

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Ignignoct said:
So it's up to the Escapist community to train ourselves to become the supremacy we wish to guide humanity towards.

ONWARD!

Mate you foul, fickle nerds, MATE! SPREAD YOUR SEED AND YOUR RSS FEEDS!
Thanks for the sarcasm...[/sarcasm]
Its not a call for nerds to go out and start mating with everything that moves. It was simply a rant on the inefficiencies of biology and evolution. We have so many biological relics as a species, its rediculous, but we still managed to grab the top of the food chain against far more effient killing machines.

Its our minds that set us apart initially, you would think it would become more important than the ability to fend off wild animals eventually.
 

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it's pretty much evolution, all male creatures try to spread their "seed" as much as possible, i think we think about it a lot more because the male's main concern is the fertility of a woman, and when a woman is hot it usually means she is fertile. Because humans generally stay with their young for a long time, the female usually wants someone who who will take care of her kids, not just someone who will have a good chance of impregnating her.

Not sure if all that is right but that's what i think until i learn more, although that probably won't happen because it is a well known fact that chicks are crazy and it is impossible to figure them out.
 

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Because of what scientists call awesomeness. Sex has an awesomeness count of over ten thousand.
 

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well for different men the reason differs some men just like to get spunk on their trunk some are crumbling under peer pressure and with the occasionaly few men its not about the sex they just want someone to care for them but sex seems like the only way to make it clear you want to be involved. and as for the "assholes" that girls rave on about they probly used to be good guy until they relized that girls quite litarly like assholes because they feel that they arnt good enough and try to impress the jerk so argue about it as much as u want girls but i have put this theroy into play the simple truth girls are into asshole.


"If you want a girl to hate you make them think your shit, if you want a girl to like you make them think there shit."
Dane Cook

"Suck my dick"
Ron Jeremy
 

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matrix3509 said:
Saskwach said:
matrix3509 said:
All of that depends on which species you are talking about. From what you said, it seems like you are talking more about lions than humans. We don't really know what our evolutionary behavior was before the advent of speech and written language. To assume that because one species' social behavior is one way, does not mean every other species of animal is the same.

Penguins for example, choose a life mate, yes even the alpha male. The alpha penguin does not go around screwing everything that moves.
I was under the impression we were talking about human behaviour. Why have penguins suddenly entered the fray?
Its a contrast between the social interactions of different species. You seemed to be talking more about lions (regarding your description) than humans anyway. Like I said, we know next to nothing about the social or mating practices of proto-humans, so saying that they were like some other species' practices are taking some assumptions a bit too far.

However, even if you are right about human's geneticly programmed behaviors. That still doesn't address my argument, which is that these behaviors are totally, hopelessly out of date. As a species, we are no longer worried about some random wild animal attacking and eating us. Therefor the biological drives behind our need to mate, are also hopelessly out of date. We are no longer in evolutionary competition with any other species on this planet. Therefor our goals as a species must change from survive to spread. To do this, intelligence must eventually take over as the main attractive force for humans.

Again I pose a question:

How long will we survive in outer space (which is our eventual destiny, mind you) if our species still picks mates based on who will keep the wild animals at bay?

Its only a matter of time before our genes change to accomodate our new genetic supremacy (thats what it is so don't call it anything different) over the world. However, patience is not a stong virtue of the human race, and evolution operates of millions of years.
First off your nerd rant is making me lol.

Secondly, the Issac Asimov novel The Gods Themselves deals with interstellar mates rather interestingly. You should read it.

Finally, Penguins, which are a member of the bird family of species, developed many of its distinctive traits around the end of the Cretaceous period. Mammals, wherein which the humans are derived from, developed their specific traits at around the same time. So blabbering about birds and how they relate to humans is quite irrelevant if your thinking like I am about a man's urge to purge his genitalia of reproductant.
 

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This thread has made me sign up after a few months of just visiting ^^

Anyways I'm a student in psychology and let me just say that there have been many books written on this subject as well as various ways of seeing it depending on if you're analyzing from a biological point of view, a evolutionary point of view etc...

A lot of the answers so far have had an element of truth in them at the very least, but our culture has deformed our views on sexuality so there are some distortions that I feel should be corrected. And some I should note were bang on in their theory (Finnboghi) and others were almost there (matrix3509,only part he got wrong was the population control part).

I think I might be posting a lot on this subject but for now I'll try and pace myself, I'll start with the evolutionary point of view:

-For men its been efficient to mate with as many mates as possible in order to increase the likely hood of offspring, back in the olden days this would be the best strategy for survival as often the males would be hunting and doing dangerous occuptions, putting them at risk of dying early. This isn't the case anymore but this where we evolved from, and where our instincts originate from. One reason nowadays why men fear sexual infedility more then they do emotional infidelity is because they might be raising the offspring of another, so not helping their own genes to propagate.

-For women it was in their best interests to be more selective with their mate, choosing the best mate available so they can pass on their genes to the offspring.
However having multiple mates was inneficient as the mates wouldn't help the woman in raising the offspring (see above) and so the best mating strategy was to stick to only 1 mate so that mate could help protect and care for the woman while she raised the child.
This is partly a reason why women fear emotional infidelity more then they do sexual infedelity. If it's emotional then the man might abandon the woman and take care of the other's offspring instead while if it's sexual the risk is lessened.

That'll be enough for now,just going to correct a few things before I end...

"Some men are like that. Other men are gentlemen.
It is just that there a so few gentlemen these days that men are stereotyped into being pigs who are hungry for sex."

No. That is a complete deformation. All men have the sexual drive and the desire in them.
There is no such thing as a gentlemen who's completely uninterested in sex. What you're trying to say is some can repress their animalistic instincts better then others.
You wouldn't be alive today if the desire to reproduce wasn't in you.

Kryson was very correct when he said "Men are genetically made to want to mate as much as possible. Guys who say this is not true are either A) lying, B) in denial, or C) truly asexual. I'd say A and B are the more likely answers. Wanting to have sex does not make one a pig and one can certainly be a "gentleman" and have a healthy lust for sex. The thing about humans is that we can easily go against our natural instincts if we so choose. It's just much easier to follow said instincts"

"Anyway, my obvious answer is that sex is great; I'm as obsessed about sex as I am about everything that makes me feel good: video games, an extremely one-sided argument in my favor, spinning around really fast until you get that brain-twisting high."

This is the opposite example, following your instincts. And following your instincts makes you feel good. That's why we follow them.

"But back to the topic at hand. Yes i believe men are obsessed with sex, its just Women tend to control it on a deeper level. We will ache your pole by not letting you stick it in our hole."

Indeed ^^ Women tend to master their own sexual urges much better then men do, and use it to their advantage in the mating game. Giving yourself up on the first night would be a "noobs" mistake as after that, your desired mate would likely lose interest in you if he has no emotional attachment.

"awh, but luvy remember our gender is also loaded with the quite stupid ones who are obsessed with the ones that will harm them, and often too weak to back away... but then again, I know many of my male friends have spent time with an utter soul killer who sucks the life out of them ( and NOT in the good way :p)but they atleast get to the point where they can walk away from things that are not healthy."

The reason why women are typically attracted to the ones that would harm them are based on their archetypical idea of perfection. There is a reason why nice guys are less desirable then "bad boys" for the majority of women, at least at first.
Same goes for men, their archetype of the perfect woman usually favors physique over mental attributes, hence the "soul killer" you speak off :p Again, at least at first.(I fear some will take offense at my comments :S)

Anyways that should be plenty enough for me and a rather long first post.
It's far from a complete resume (the dutch guy was right, cultural factors are VERY important) and there are a lot of things I've left out.
Please do not be offended by anything I have said, my tone was cut and dry simply because of the volume of information, and I have but grazed the subject here.
I spent a whole trimester on this subject and will be continuing to study it for 2 more years so trust me when I say human sexuality is not as simple as to be contained in a few easy fit all theories.
 

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matrix3509 said:
Its a contrast between the social interactions of different species. You seemed to be talking more about lions (regarding your description) than humans anyway. Like I said, we know next to nothing about the social or mating practices of proto-humans, so saying that they were like some other species' practices are taking some assumptions a bit too far.
I never once mentioned penguins or lions or three-breasted green aliens. Your first post was this:
The difference in the sex drive of a man and woman is this:

The male's biological imperative is to spread his seed to as many willing females as he possibly can.

The female's biological imperative is to seek out the single best male with which to share her genes. This is the female's way of enacting semi-population control, thereby insuring the species doesn't become ruled be genetic deformities and mental retardation.

Obviously, this biological programming has become somewhat (greatly) diluted over the past millienia.

If the internal programming of people were actually that efficient, the earth would be ruled by scientists by now, with the jock becoming extinct after the second generation.
Which didn't mention lions or penguins once - and neither did mine. So can we drop the animals? Neither of us brought them on until you seemed sure that you could make my argument mean something it didn't. Besides, if we're looking at which creature is closer in sexual behaviour to humans - penguins or lions - it's almost undoubtedly lions. Only three percent of mammals are monogamous while a much higher percentage of birds are (the percentage is higher in primates - fifteen percent - but is still closer to the mammal average than the bird one). A theory is that monogamy develops in species where the male and female can form an equal partnership in child-rearing. Since female mammals produce milk while the man can only hang around, monogamy isn't quite so big a deal among our furry brethren than for our feathery friends.
Oh, and most penguins don't choose a life mate: they choose a single mate per breeding season. They're just as interested in spreading the seed around - they just want to make sure that seed will grow up big and strong. Once it has, mummy and daddy go their separate ways.

However, even if you are right about human's geneticly programmed behaviors. That still doesn't address my argument, which is that these behaviors are totally, hopelessly out of date. As a species, we are no longer worried about some random wild animal attacking and eating us. Therefor the biological drives behind our need to mate, are also hopelessly out of date. We are no longer in evolutionary competition with any other species on this planet. Therefor our goals as a species must change from survive to spread. To do this, intelligence must eventually take over as the main attractive force for humans.
As a species, though, we are constantly worried about our fellow man bonking us over the head. Therefore, being of the jock genetic mold still has value. It's all well and good to say "why don't we breed out aggression" but that's seriously unrealistic, and if not then it's disturbing. I personally don't like the idea of a great big government entity of some kind saying who can and cannot breed with who else.

Again I pose a question:

How long will we survive in outer space (which is our eventual destiny, mind you) if our species still picks mates based on who will keep the wild animals at bay?

Its only a matter of time before our genes change to accomodate our new genetic supremacy (thats what it is so don't call it anything different) over the world. However, patience is not a stong virtue of the human race, and evolution operates of millions of years.
I don't speculate hundreds of years into the future, and you should be careful to yourself. Personally, I think we might not even get there (space is so much more expensive to travel in than anything else humanity has ever achieved) but if we do, we should do fine. Humanity has a remarkable capacity to bungle along.
 

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I have had no interest whatsoever in having sex with some of the girls I have dated. I like to go by waiting to find that right girl/guy that will make me feel differently otherwise the entire act is pointless and selfish. Usually get laughed at for thinking like that.
 

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^ It's a perfectly valid mating strategy aswell (sorry for puting it like that xD).
If you are capable of surpressing your sexual desires enough so it doesn't overwhelm you and you seek emotional security and a long term mate, then why not?
And if people laugh, screw them, it's your life not theirs, and following what you believe is best will make you happier then if you forced yourself to follow what others think.

Humanity is wonderfully diverse after all ^^
 

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Social evolution of the two genders makes it appear such that men are more obsessed in this regard than women, not to mention higher levels of testosterone in men.

Otherwise, both men and women are 'obsessed' with sex.
 

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SuperFriendBFG said:
GyroCaptain said:
Gormourn said:
I'm, for one, obsessed with GRAMMAR.
Grammar IS sex.

Oh yes, you dirty, dirty vowels. Wrap those prepositions around me again.
Oh yeah, properly place those parentheses! Don't stop there, I'm almost there... ALMOST THERE!

....,,,,;;;;;....,,,,;;;;;;!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~ *squirt*
that is win on so many levels


men are not obsessed with sex, they happen to be easy to seduce into it sometimes. the same way some girls are easily seduced.
 

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Holy crap, I didn't realise I was obcessed, or obsessed with sex. The stereotype will never die. Ever thought that some of us just blatantly don't give a shit? Honestly. A close friend of mind (who is a girl by the way) is completely frustrated with my behaviour because it doesn't fit her perceptions of how males should naturally behave in relation to carnal relationships. She also thinks I'm damaged which I find absolutely hilarious!

High five anyone? That's a manly sport surely...
 

garfoldsomeoneelse

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The same reason I smoke and play video games: stimulation.


SmartIdiot said:
Holy crap, I didn't realise I was obcessed, or obsessed with sex. The stereotype will never die. Ever thought that some of us just blatantly don't give a shit? Honestly. A close friend of mind (who is a girl by the way) is completely frustrated with my behaviour because it doesn't fit her perceptions of how males should naturally behave in relation to carnal relationships. She also thinks I'm damaged which I find absolutely hilarious!

High five anyone? That's a manly sport surely...

'Fived.
 

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I do think that society loads a lot of sexual pressure onto young men and women.

I mean, they have pretty much raised generations of children to believe that the nude human body is a sex object instead of something that is just natural, what with the amount of censorship in the media and advertisements. And everyone knows how much people love to rebel.

But yeag, there are biological factors that drive men a little harder than women, it probably has to do with what impact testosterone has with the generation of sperm. I mean, men create up to 300,000,000 sperm everyday, so obviously that will have some sort of impact on you.
 

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This thread almost died there for a while. It's a very silly thread and I'm not going to interview it.
Sindaine said:
Hey, at least they're not ABCESSED with sex; that'd mean they had herpes!
STOP STEALING MY THOUGHTS!
 

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I, being male, have absolutely no aspirations of any kind towards sex, to me the entire over importance of the human mating ritual to males of our species is so undignified to me, so I say screw it, have your perversion, I'll stick to my lonliness and literature.
 

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I can't say anything that hasn't been said already. It always just seems to boil down to our natural instincts.