A question about Solo
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I don't know. I mostly heard about the political anti-feminist backlash against TLJ from a friend of mine, I don't follow any forums other than this one. I'm probably going to have to change that once this one fails...StatusNil said:
What gets me is that the major complaint I heard about TFA is that it was basically a retread of ANH, which it kinda was. So TLJ did something almost completely different and people hate it.
Personally if I was going to boycott this movie it'd be because I don't want to see any more of these damn spin-off movies.
Disagree.Samtemdo8 said:
Phantom very much cribs from A New Hope, in a lot of places. A lot of it is going for that 'space adventure' feel. Yes, we have the politics, and yes, we have the time on Tatooine (but that's a callback in of itself), but otherwise, Phantom is pretty light-hearted. More light-hearted than its successors, but that's what you'd expect, given the storyline of the prequels.
But even that aside, Attack of the Clones...bleh. There's some good stuff, but when I think of AotC, I think of AnakinxPadme (bleh), and the lacklustre ending sequence.
I liked the suit - I'd rather go into it than be submerged like Luke was. If anything, it indicates that technology has progressed.Bobular said:
I don't get this idea - there's no limit on the Star Wars alien roster, why would you want the same aliens to pop up over and over? By this standard, we'd never see any alien that wasn't in the cantina in A New Hope.
Y-Wings were already antiquated by ANH. The bombers we see in TLJ are a bit weird, but at least it's something different.
I...really don't get this.
If you say "TLJ doesn't feel like Star Wars," sure, I'd bite - that's kind of the point of it. But looking at the films so far, what have we got? Force Awakens, which is basically New Hope 2.0, and that extends to the ship design (Last Jedi at least gives us something new). We have Rogue One, which is different in tone, sure, but still a prequel, and drenched in nostalgia. Then we have Solo, which is another prequel, and drenched even further in nostalgia. If anything, apart from TLJ, Star Wars is feeling too much like Star Wars, or at least, is stuck in a rut about it.
I don't want to pretend that there aren't multiple facets to why people are boycotting. I'm trying to listen. Some critics focus on the storytelling, while some also focus on Rey (in particular, her being female. Or pushing leftist agenda onto them.)StatusNil said:
I don't think Rey is a good character but neither is Luke or Han, or Finn for that matter. They are bare bones skeletal outlines of a character. The story didn't make sense in'77 and got a pass becuase it had good special effects and we were kids,
I gave Phantom Meance a shot. I then didn't see Attack of the Clones at the movies, I thought Menace was that bad. I saw Force Awakens and nothing else of the new one. Star Wars isn't for me. But I'm also not about to try and force a company or director to make a Star Wars I like. That would be ridiculous.
Well at least those are legitimate reasons for hating it. ...and honestly stuff I'd not considered. I mean I hated what they did to Luke's character, but a lot of that other stuff hadn't occurred to me.Ogoid said:
... Who is Keneally?
Anyway, eh. While I refuse to associate with these people boycotting, I can't deny that I am not comfortable how this push for diversity has affected Star Wars. The chick that Finn was hanging out with (was it Rose?) is the worst part of the movie, and they only added her as an afterthought to the script to have more ladies in the movie.
I have no problem with diversity, but that is exactly the kind of shit that crosses the line for me.
But yeah, boycotting Solo is ridiculous.
Anyway, eh. While I refuse to associate with these people boycotting, I can't deny that I am not comfortable how this push for diversity has affected Star Wars. The chick that Finn was hanging out with (was it Rose?) is the worst part of the movie, and they only added her as an afterthought to the script to have more ladies in the movie.
I have no problem with diversity, but that is exactly the kind of shit that crosses the line for me.
But yeah, boycotting Solo is ridiculous.
False. To quote Wookiepedia:Bob_McMillan said:
The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson conceived Rose because he realized that having Poe go with Finn to Canto Bight would have been boring. "It was just these two dudes on an adventure," he said. "I knew something was wrong when I looked at their dialogue and realized I could interchange any of the lines. There wasn't conflict between them. So I realized I had to come up with something else. Finn needing somebody else to go with who would actually challenge him and push him and contrast with him was where Rose came from.
He did not envision Rose with a specific ethnicity, auditioning Caucasian actresses and women of color for the role. "We saw a lot of talented actresses of a very broad range ? but honestly, it was more about finding Kelly," he recalled. "There was something about Kelly that had that kind of genuine oddball nature and a real sweetness to her. She has the most open heart of anyone I've ever met and I knew that was going to shine through onscreen.
The only good thing about the new Star Wars films is how progressive the universe got. The plots all suck, but I am glad that women and other skin colors are heavily featured.
Besides, Leia was a feminist icon since the original film.
Besides, Leia was a feminist icon since the original film.
Bob_McMillan said:
I do not like Rey, but I do not think her being a woman is why she is badly written. I think JJ Abrams vision is why she is badly written.
If you do not like Rose, that is ok, but if you think a push for diversity is relevant to why, then that is worrysome.
Do you think Rose being a woman is why you do not like her? If Finn was getting flirty with a man, would that be better? Cause uh...that would probably a bigger diversity push than another straight romance plot, cause there are more of those in media than stars in the sky at this point.
You are not making your position any better if you don't respond to these arguments.Saelune said:
This isn't someone saying to "Killing people randomly is good" scenario where you can just right it off with ease.
This video has 10 minutes of a guy explaining his side. An explination I feel deserves a rebuttle.
The movie was okay. They're all okay. Impossible to get worked up about them. It's just dumb fun at this point. Could've done without the sassy equal rights robot talking about her off switch like it was her clit though. But what the fuck ever.
Well if he says so.Hawki said:
Yes, I thought someone might object to that.Saelune said:
You know what, fair enough. TL;DW, Becker showcases tons of Youtube channels from people of all walks of life who, much like himself, have made videos criticizing current Star Wars films for a variety of reasons, and points out that the response has been, on the part of so-called "professional" media, to completely ignore said criticism and instead publish demonstrably biased trash like this [http://archive.li/P0lap], and on Disney's and Lucasfilms', to adopt the Paul Feig approach to marketing and PR, apparently believing the only reason it didn't work two years ago was that they weren't quite insulting enough towards their own audience.
"Dozens" is being generous.Ogoid said:
Since he's fond of the potato analogy, let's say I want to address the issue of homophobia. I show people showing that they're not homophobic. That doesn't disprove the notion the homophobia exists. Or to address the video directly, congratulations, not everyone is an asshole who likes to make death threats against directors and verbally abuse anyone who might disagree with them. Doesn't change the fact that those people still exist.
An article that points out toxic fandom, that provides direct quotes of detestable language...is baised? One its first paragraphs is Something is deeply broken among the Star Wars faithful. Respectable discourse has deterioriated completely as a small but determined minority of ?fans? turn to the Dark Side?hate-spewing assholes looking to ruin the party for everyone, and often succeeding. Notice the words "small but determined" minority. It doesn't preclude people having legitimate grievances with TLJ, but its onus is to focus on the people who post the garbage the article quotes verbatim.
Not every side deserves to have their opinions considered. If his side was worth listening to, he would have not title his video in a way that only encourages people in his echo chamber to watch it and piss off the other side. It is not meant to encourage honest debate between differing sides, it is meant to antagonize.Samtemdo8 said:
Here is a video that summarizes many of my issues with the new Star Wars films without devolving into a sexist tirade of BS.Ogoid said:
Yes, for those aware of the channel, often his videos are more for humor sake, but this was a lot more legit criticism than just jokes.
Look, I actually think the new Star Wars are pretty terrible, but the diversity is actually the one good thing about them. Unfortunately, the sexists and racists are making it harder for real criticism to apply. I blame no one but the bigots here...and J.J. Abrams.
I am also sick of things being shoved on me. Like bigoted religious fundamentalism. So I tend to not feel bad about people being bothered when people try to force them to care about other people.Natemans said:
No one would have to deal with people preaching about equality if ya know, we had it.
It is like people complaining about the people screaming in the burning building next door cause they are trying to sleep.