I heard. I'd probably watch it on Netflix if it came there, as I dont see myself paying for it specifically on that platform. I mean, I can't not pay for the shows and movies that I don't like on NetlifxHawki said:
A question about Solo
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Boycotting does not work when a film is released international.trunkage said:
China is the biggest box office then India when released, so don't think Disney really cares who boycotts it in EU or US. So the film should be very solid release , even with the Chinese edit to remove any mention to Solo's personal sexual preference.
Why people want to boycott?
It could be the horrible way Disney likes to release gimmicks to get more people in seats over story. (first character to be this or that). It could also be the reason that Disney is releasing these films almost on a monthly basis and people do grow tired of franchise in general. Plus the cost of movie tickets have gone up in some places, so people find it cheaper to stream more.
Would this lead to more female leads?
Well , when they write films they are usually months if not years in advanced. So Solo might have been to pen before Last Jedi or even further than that.(misdirection is common) Solo might not directly lead to more females leads to pop up when its boycotted.That might be already been decided long prior to the release of this film.
Am i going to see this film?
To be honest, i might stream it as i am starting to get burnt out with Star Wars.That is saying a lot as i am a huge fan, collecting original posters and film props.Quick release after release,as well as future T.V shows is just making it less appealing.It is losing that magic that kept me interested.
You definitely should, it is a good movie with an interesting story and varies enough from the EU that it is predictable, but in fun ways, and it has enough variety to be fun.Major Tom said:
I feel the same way. I enjoyed Episode 8 in theaters, but the whole point of the new movies for me is to make sure that Han abandoning the one woman who made him want to stick around and have a family makes sense in the universe. Other than that, I don't really expect Kylo Ren to survive the new trilogy, and since he is the obvious protagonist with the only back story and character development in the new trilogy, I am not sure where Star Wars could go from here for me...RobertEHouse said:
I noticed that the Fan Event opening for Solo was much more subdued than the midnight showing of Episode 3, and I don't know if that is because people enjoyed it less or because it was the 4th Star Wars movie in less than 4 years, or just because it was in a different location than when I saw Episode 3...
Either way, the magic of getting new Star Wars is definitely worn off
Basically, yeah. You aren't punishing somebody by withholding your business if they never had your business in the first place.Kyrian007 said:
So, if they had decent tasting chicken, I could be boycotting them by refusing to go there... so the decision on whether or not I'm boycotting them is up to them, and not me? That doesn't sound right.altnameJag said:
I guess that's assuming their disgusting chicken is a deliberately that bad, as opposed to just basic incompetence on their part.
This is still confusing to me. I'll just continue to feel smugly superior because of my "boycott," whether it really is or isn't.
I agree Ehrenreich did fine, but he doesn't have the same level of raw charisma as Harrison Ford, which played a large role in making the latters portrayal of Han Solo so memorable to begin with. Unlike Glover, who is charismatic enough to make a good Lando.Natemans said:
I don't think we watched the same film. In the movie I watched, they were both trying to Force pull a lightsaber to themselves, which broke in half, then Holdo did her hyperspace jump into the ship. Next thing we know, Rey has escaped and Kylo Ren wakes up among the wreckage.Spade Lead said:
I think you may need to watch this movie again, as you are making up scenes.
Nope. They dislike how the main demographic which has made this franchise a household name (white dudes) are being actively pushed away by the people in charge of making Star Wars movies.trunkage said:
Kennedy pushing slogans like "the force is female" is highly divisive and many young boys and men will not want to go to a "chick flick". She also said things like "we don't need male fans" which is even more divisive.
JJ calling everyone who criticized The Last Jedi (which is a bad boring movie that would have bombed hard without the Star Wars brand name attached to it) "insecure men who are afraid of women" is just the icing on the cake.
You don't talk like that to your customers.
Imagine this:
You go to a particular store all your life. It has what you like so you shop there. Then, the owners change and suddenly, the store changes everything except the aesthetic. When you voice your disapproval, you get called a bunch of names and told that they don't need you.
Would you still shop there? I wouldn't.
The customer is king in a capitalist society and companies need to be reminded of that.
The boycott worked and now Disney will have to think things through, which is a good thing.
no, Kennedy said "I have a responsibility to the company that I work with. I don?t feel that I have a responsibility to cater in some way. I would never just seize on saying, 'Well, this is a franchise that?s appealed primarily to men for many, many years, and therefore I owe men something"Vanilla ISIS said:
She was saying the she wanted to expend the fan base and appeal to everyone and not only the males.
No, JJ didnt not said that eveyrone who criticized TLJ insecure men who are afraid of women, here's the real quote"
"Asked by IndieWire about pushback from ?Star Wars? fans who decried Rian Johnson?s film for its focus on more female-centric stories (bolstered by the edition of franchise newbies like Laura Dern and Kelly Marie Tran), Abrams was clear: ?Their problem isn?t ?Star Wars,? their problem is being threatened.?"
So let me correct, what he say is that epeople who criticized TLJ for having too many female lead "insecure men who are afraid of women".
So, you know what make up a made of your own, and go watch fact before eating any stupidity that some ass youtubers about star wars. Really, i'm kind of feed up by this. i hate extremes. i liked TLJ and i liked Solo. are they perfect ? no. can i understand that some people like it and some dont ? yes Can they did better ? probably.
But people who rant that every star wars is shit and that everybody that defend the movies are either SJW or paid by disney are stupid, And people who say that the new star wars are perfect and that everybody who criticised them are right extremist are pretty stupid too.
Seriously, people on the internet. you think that because a few thousand people on a forum or on youtube decided that they must boycott star wars have any effect on the global market of star wars ? wake up...
yes it did underperformed, but i think it might be possible that the second week might be surprising. i do think that freleasing a star wars movie 5 months after the last one is an error, and might explained a lot, but also it was memorial weekend, and also, yes some people decided to not see it because of what they tought of TLJ, but also the NBA finals were this weekend, and the final of the champions leagues that is a very big deal in europe. and it's just a week after deadpool. and bad marketing, and bad PR with all the behind the scene drama.
so they was a lot against this movie, and the so call boycott if just a very small portion of it. but so far the rfeviews are not that bad. a lot of people say that it was a good movie. not a great movie, but at least an enjoyable one. so maybe next weekend people will decide to go see it.
I would just not shop there. Go find something that suits me.Vanilla ISIS said:
But the problem is that this boycott hasn't worked. Keanelly can read this as - we gave them the male lead and supporting cast. They aren't happy. Maybe we should go more SJW becuase pandering to the SQWs hasn't made them happy.
Star Wars came out at a time when people didn't criticise it for all its flaws. I wonder what would have happened if they came out during the time of the Internet. The two actual Jedi - how lazy and unheroic are they? Hiding in the ass end of space. They're too scare to help, letting other people fix up their mistakes. They hold Luke back all the time.
But it got a pass becuase nerd culture wasn't a big thing then
No, of course, he's... serviceable. But I thought he was more charismatic in Hail Caesar, just from that one scene where he gets that one take right ("I'm... complicated").Natemans said:
Sorry, I'm going to stop you there - that isn't how the world works. That isn't how art works.Vanilla ISIS said:
Fans don't make the art they consume. Fans are not "owed" anything. The creators of art aren't obliged to kowtow to the fans.
If we're looking at Star Wars in particular, did fans direct the movies? Edit them? Cast them? Write for them? Compose for them? Do anything in regards to their actual construction? While you might be able to point to a few individuals that "made the leap," so to speak, the answer in most cases is going to be "no." Fans consumed a property. That's it. Fans aren't patrons in the sense of a patron sponsering an artist, they're consumers. The act of consumption isn't an act of creation.
Nice tactic in cutting out that if we want this analogy to be accurate, the customer started calling the owner names before the owner returned the favour (if at all).
Also, I'd just stop shopping there. The store isn't obliged to cater to me. If they want to do something different, that's their prerogative. I'm not obliged to support them, but they're not obliged to support me.
Source needed.
I mean, if you want to cite Solo as a bomb, sure, but I'd need better evidence of causation than simple assertion.
Fun fact, I kinda prefer going to the movies alone...sometimes. The problem is that if I go with friends/family, I'm left hoping that they're having as much fun as I am (or if I'm not having fun, that my dislike is justified).Major Tom said:
On the other, if I'm really out of place in a cinema for whatever reason, I can kind of feel awkward. Funnily enough, when I saw Ready Player One, I was actually the youngest person there (I'm 28, most of the crowd were oldies). Though on the flipside, when I saw Goosebumps when it came out, I was the oldest person in the cinema, and...yeah. Did get at least one awkward look from one of the mothers.
Whether the boycott worked or not, am I the only one that's kind of confused about it? If you don't like TLJ, fine. If you want to boycott, fine. But Solo is pretty much the opposite of the Last Jedi (male lead, safe story, completely different style, different pacing, etc.), so wouldn't it make more sense to support a movie that isn't like TLJ at all? I can sort of get boycotting Ep. 9 if that's your thing, but the whole "boycott Solo because of Last Jedi" seems like going after a fly with a shotgun.trunkage said:
While this is undeniably true, I'd argue fans of a given work of art are at least partially responsible for its success; no, they're not owed anything, but to intentionally go out of one's way to antagonize them, as seems to be the cool and hip thing to do among Hollywood types these days, has the predictable effect of turning away large amounts of people who would otherwise be the most eager to throw their money at one's product.Hawki said:
Again, that's fair. But then, on one side we have supposed professionals working in a billion dollar industry, and on the other, random idiots on the internet. Surely it's not outlandish to assume the former should hold themselves to higher standards than the latter?
Lord knows I've precious little respect for the artistic chops of, say, Michael Bay or Zack Snyder, but I do have to respect the fact that they know how to behave professionally; for all the hate they caught from fans of Transformers or Watchmen (and I know for a fact there was plenty, having my fair share to throw around), whatever need they may have felt to have a go at them clearly took a backseat to their sense of the standards of behavior expected of public persons working in an entertainment industry.
I agree that it's up in the air how much this hypothetical boycott is responsible for Solo's box office results. But I do think it's no secret there are several people who are dissatisfied not only with TLJ (although that, of course, is the main point of contention) but with Disney's handling of Star Wars as a whole. And I believe there are, as well, people who aren't "boycotting" it, but have simply lost interest in the entire franchise as a result.