A question to quickscopers.

[TheEndlessSleep]

I never said there was anything wrong with Quickscoping...

I just want to know why most of them seemingly hate Hardscoping so much.

And neither did I.

You said I was 'incredibly mad' and that, 'its just a game'...

Sorry, but thats the kind of reply you give someone who's complaining about something... I am not complaining; i'm posing a simple question.

You didn't say that there was something wrong with it, its just what you said made out that I did

 

[klasbo]

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There is so much good content in this point, so I'm giving you 5 points.

I'll just make a small addendum:
A sniper's high damage and high accuracy are balanced by low rate of fire. An assault rifle is just as good at long range as a sniper is at close range, with the added benefit of being able to quickly change target without reloading. Also, all other weapons can aim down sights to make them more accurate, it doesn't make that a "noob tactic".

M24 or M95 sniper rifles with magnum ammo and recon ball spam.

OH GOD IT HURTS! STOP IT, AAAAAHH
Also, mortars. Why did you give all the powerful stuff to the snipers, again? Balance? Wut.

 

[Strid]

I, myself, do quickscope but I only ever do it when I actually need to.

For example: running around a corner with a sniper rifle and seeing an enemy out of knifing range, or while sprinting for cover I may as well put out a few shots without stopping and being vulnerable.

As for "hardscoping", over long ranges I do hardscope as much as I like, and there should be nothing wrong with that.

 

[GothmogII]

I don't play Sniper on TF2 a lot, but one of my favourite things to do is no-scoping, that is, simply firing using the targeting reticule to aim rather than the scope. :3 That said, I've found quick-scoping to be very viable when a Pyro or such is bearing down on me, no time to let the rifle charge.

I don't really understand it, I'm supposed to let myself get killed rather than do everything I can to make sure I don't end up a smoky crispy Australian? Maybe it works differently in other FPSes, in TF2 at least I've always found it a rewarding tactic when you can do it right and highly useful at that. No, it's probably not the 'best' way to use a Sniper rifle in game, but then, I'm sure rocket jumping had its detractors in its day.

Every-time I read a hate topic (not that this topic is) why do I feel the words: "That's not how you do that! Stop having fun!" Run amok in my head?

 

[Flames66]

I have no problem with quick scoping. Of course when i play FPS games i am usually a sniper and no one gets within 50 yards of me so i destroy them with ease. I don't understand the hate for quick scoping. If you had to wait 3 seconds before you could pull the trigger on your sniper rifle everyone would be Camping then. And i think camping is much worse then Quick scoping.

I don't understand why people complain about camping. I have never played any CoD games so maybe it is specific to them.

Camping is an FPS tactic in general. It works best in CoD. I actually tried a CoD game for the first time in a long time and was just playing to see if i could get people angry but it wasn't working as well as i hoped. And most would sit in corners and wait.

That's pretty much what I do in FPS games. I find a good defensive position and hold it as long as I can. In TF2 I often sit in a corner invisible for some time waiting for the perfect backstab. I have always been much more keen on surviving a round than winning one.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

That's what the mute button is for. There's nothing wrong with "hardscoping," in fact that's what a sniper rifle is for. Trust me, when you kill someone in game, they'll look for anything and everything to insult you for, even if it makes no sense.

 

[LondonBeer]

I don't get this "Snipers are meant to be used from range!!" argument at all.

It's pretty clear this is thought by people because it is how they perceive sniper rifles to be used in real life.

In other words, trying to balance a twitch-based FPS with one-shotting ballistic knives and tomahawks, shotguns with a range of about 10 feet and people who can see claymores through walls, based on realism.

So if we're going to apply this realism to sniper rifles (not like the pathetic ranges they get to be used in CoD maps is realistic in the first place), why not apply it to assault rifles aswell?

Did you know that many assault rifles are not even capable of being fired on full auto because it is so rarely used? If you fire something like an AK-47 in real life on full auto you will go through the entire clip in about 2 seconds (literally).

The average soldier only has enough ammunition so that he could only actually fire for about 6 seconds if he fired on full auto.

So why arn't all you people bitching about assault rifles "Not being used in the propper way"? Or shotguns having piss-poor range?

Because you only use the realism argument when it suits you. And it suits you here because you see people doing something genuinely difficult and skillful, rather than just spraying away with an assault rifle like a spastic, and you get jealous because you know you can't do it.

Dude we have to pick our battles. One hurdle at a time. First we get gamelistic (Emulating realism insted the engine and practices of players to real world useage) then we get the Whenever more than your body weight in bullets strike near the player they piss themselves & start crying.

 

[Merkavar]

quickscopers are glitchers too me.

i also dont care if people camp or use grenade luanchers.

if you cant kill a camper then you suck at the game. i have no trouble from campers.

and most games only have 2-3 grenades for your luancher.

 

[omega 616]

Personally I think sniping in FPS games could be considerably improved if it did two things:

1.Have to be in Scope for a full second before any sort of accuracy is achieved

2.Bullet Drop. This one isn't as implementable in COD, but other games that use larger maps (Battlefield) should definitely use it. It would balance the distance on rifles, so the user had to be good to use it at range. Maybe some battlefield titles already use this, but I've only played BC and it definitely doesn't.

1. CoD did have this but the fanboys threw a hissy fit and they removed it.
2. BC2 has it and it makes sniping all the more rewarding and requiring skill, this is also great for me because I am brilliant at predicting drop so I am a awesome sniper in BC2.

I never saw it work to be honest, I made some mega range shots, some proper across map stuff and still got head shots without aiming higher.

Quickscoping isn't a skill, it isn't luck, it's a pure exploit that anybody with 5 minutes can learn. There are videos on youtube about it, it just comes down to learning when the screen goes black to fire and where the cross hairs land when you do scope in.

All the work is done by the aim assist, I have seen countless people spout how lucky a shot was or how much skill it took ... if only they knew the truth.

 

[Daveman]

Hardscoping is the only way you should be able to use a sniper rifle.

Quickscoping, for all intents and purposes, is an exploit that shouldn't be in any FPS. Making a weapon that can be used effectively at any range? Feck off.

It's not really an exploit because although you can do it, for every no scope, quick scope and ridiculous 360 you see on youtube there were 99 cases of somebody shooting that dickhead with an assault rifle. If you actually get fairly good at it, you might be able to maintain a K/D greater than 1.

 

[MinionStarwind]

Quick-scoping? What?

What, you mean you cant no-scope people from across the map by now?

Sillies.

 

[Zipa]

I cannot STAND quickscoping... it doesn't take "skill", it just shows one's mastery of exploiting an irritating loophole as opposed to learning how to think and play the damn game like a member of a team. Treyarch had the right idea nerfing it for Blops, but fell victim to the massive tidalwave of tears from whiney 12-year-olds...

What do you mean "they nerfed it and un-nerfed it?" How did the nerf it in the first place? The only applicable thing I saw is in the benefits of sleight o' hand pro, the ADS speed is NOT increased for scoped weapons. I saw this and wondered if this was the key to quick-scoping, and now maybe the practice would be gone forever. Was there more to the nerf than this limit on sleight of hand, or was the limit removed and nobody told me?

They made it so when you scoped in the cross hairs would not be lined up with your non scoped crosshair, so you had to aim manually before shooting if you wanted to hit something.
All the kids cried so trayarch caved in and removed it.

 

[Fishyash]

Hardscoping is the only way you should be able to use a sniper rifle.

Quickscoping, for all intents and purposes, is an exploit that shouldn't be in any FPS. Making a weapon that can be used effectively at any range? Feck off.

This is my stance. I was quite happy to see it much less useful in black ops.

You should not be running around the map with a sniper rifle as you would with an SMG.

Quickscoping seems like just kind of glancing at aiming and praying to be lucky. If you spend the extra second in the scope to be more accurate, you are considered a noob in COD? Glad I quit the multiplayer after 4, considering that that was the last COD game in my eyes.

Auto-aim does wonders.

If you get it down you should be able to land a shot every time you do it.

 

[jrubal1462]

They made it so when you scoped in the cross hairs would not be lined up with your non scoped crosshair, so you had to aim manually before shooting if you wanted to hit something.
All the kids cried so trayarch caved in and removed it.

That sounds like a reasonable idea. Wow, with the undeniably sniper-heavy DLC maps and all the unnerfing, they must have really got an earful from snipers. Sadly I don't think that represents the community, they're just a very vocal minority

 

[psivamp]

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Camping is an FPS tactic in general. It works best in CoD. I actually tried a CoD game for the first time in a long time and was just playing to see if i could get people angry but it wasn't working as well as i hoped. And most would sit in corners and wait.

One of the last games of Black Ops I played, I got kinda stuck in a room and people just kept coming in trying to kill me. Was I camping at that point or pinned down? I'm not entirely sure. It was on the enemy side of the map but not a strategic point in any way.

One of the other things that happened before I quit Black Ops was the quickscope nerf making me miss a nice clean sniper shot at the side of someone's head from maybe 30 yards. The guy was completely oblivious, I held my breath, scoped in and steadied and missed by 40 degrees. The second shot splattered his brain stem across the broken wall next to him, but the first hit the window sill in front of me and tumbled up over his head harmlessly. I went back and made a video because I was in such disbelief.

 

[psivamp]

M24 or M95 sniper rifles with magnum ammo and recon ball spam.

OH GOD IT HURTS! STOP IT, AAAAAHH
Also, mortars. Why did you give all the powerful stuff to the snipers, again? Balance? Wut.

I used to play Rush with an Assault guy using one of the non-class guns.

Sneak over to a Satcom that my team isn't near.
Plant 6 C4 on Satcom.
Drop ammo box and magically create 6 more C4.
Detonate first batch of C4.
Plant second batch.
Detonate second batch.
Satcom is destroyed, enemy received about 10 seconds warning that someone was even there.

 

[zamot201]

To anybody who says that quick-scoping is in any way a cheap exploit or overpowered.
It takes an incredible quickscoper to hang with even decent players using assault rifles. My friend is one of the best quickscopers I have ever seen and I'm a 1.3 KD player. if I use an assault rifle and he quick-scopes.
I WILL WIN 10/10 TIMES. HE WILL GET PLOWED OVER. snipers cannot be even close to as good as assault rifles.