A rant on PC fanboyism

[AMMO Kid]

I used to be a pc gamer, but now I am a console gamer because I prefer not having to meddle with getting new hardware for it

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

-So you dislike all PC gamers because a few a douche-bags?
Awesome!

-I don't see what your financial situation has to do with you getting annoyed at PC gamers.

-It's not that I think all PC gamers are dicks, it's just that 90% of the ones I've met were dicks.

-Because a lot of PC gamers I've run across have this weird, Aspergers-like denial that somebody can just not be able to afford to build a $400 rig.

But you can buy a console + games which are more expensive than PC games + extra controllers if you want to play with friends + monthly sub for Xbox live?

Guess you missed my post where I said I only paid under $200 for my consoles (Years apart I may add) and live off clearance games. Don't have to buy other controllers or anything else because I take care of my stuff. As for LIVE, I only bought it when I needed it, a couple of months out of the year. But I've moved over to playing my PS3 online because it's free.

 

[Johnny Impact]

I have both a middle-range gaming PC and a PS3. I use both for games. A good part of this is personal preference.

I play inFamous, Arkham Asylum, Burnout Paradise, and so forth on the PS3 because I think those types of game lend themselves to controller more readily than keyboard and because PC ports are often inferior. I also own PS3 for the Blu-Ray aspect.

Then there are games like Civilization or StarCraft, which simply cannot thrive on consoles. PC is their natural habitat. I also play all my FPS on PC because I cannot abide aiming with a stick. The PC also gives me Internet, music, data storage, and all the gazillion other things.

I see this dumbing down phenomenon. BioShock is a great example. Having played System Shock I can tell you the loss of inventory in the successor significantly reduces the realism and immersion. Are we expected to believe BioShock's protagonist doesn't have a back pocket in which to stuff a candy bar when he is able to tote thousands of rounds of ammunition? There is no good reason for doing away with it. And that's not all -- hacking is a joke, plasmids can be rearranged at will, you can't go twenty feet without tripping over a Pep Bar, and so on. Why is this done? "To make it simpler/easier" is not enough reason. I don't blame this on the existence of consoles although I think that is a contributing factor. If the trend continues there soon will not be any such thing as a complex or difficult game.

 

[Iron Criterion]

My pc was the top of the line, it still can play a lot of games getting a release, it cost me 500 pounds. My ps3, xb360 and wii 2nd hand (still with full warranty) cost me £320.

Does that PC cost include a cost of a moniter and all that shit?

If yes then shouldn't you include the cost of the TV in the cost of your console?

Why? That logic implies that anyone who has bought a console also went and bought their TV especially. I owned my HD TV long before I owned my console.

 

[DeleteThisAcc]

PC gamers get shitty console ports and complain about that. They actually have a reason.

And why is that, do you think?

Is it because consoles are shitty? No, actually, they are not. Not any more. They are powerful machines, with processing power well above the price point.

Have you possibly considered that the higher the system requirements, the more expensive a game is to create? And that it is much.. MUCH cheaper to create games with the expectation of a lower system requirement, because the majority of people buying the game for PC won't ever use the higher system specs? It's literally a waste of money that raises prices for no gain to the average consumer?

There are games that leverage the PC's strengths... sometimes a game is better with over a hundred buttons (MMOs, RTSs) and sometimes it's a lot cheaper to release a game with low cost with no middleman (Indy games I'm looking at you) but when you want to go Triple A... well... computers are just not the best platform for how much the company gets per dollar spent.

In an era where game development is getting more and more expensive, and PC gamers are demanding more and more shineys because of the money they put into their systems... maybe companies simply can't afford to focus on them any more. There just isn't enough money in it to justify making PC games their top priority.

There's many facets to the problem and rampant hat of consoles OR PCs doesn't help PC gamers get what they want.

But yes, a lot of it is entitlement... PC gamers feel entitled to games of quality the money they pay does not support. That's a reality that has nothing to do with consoles... be glad they have consoles to make their money from and make games at all.

Fine example of CONSOLE fanboy that has no brain. " They are powerful machines, with processing power well above the price point." He thinks that all PC gamers want is better graphics... I still play System Shock 2. Inventory alone would make his brain explode, and you have to aim yourself there!

System Shock 2 is not a terribly good example of what games they are making these days, nor of the PC-elitists bawwwfest about how they aren't being catered to.

But hey, don't address the points on expense of development and just go 'Well System Shock 2 was good so you're wrong.' Way to make an irrelevant point.

And System Shock 2's inventory system wasn't great. There's better ways to accomplish the same depth. I much preferred Deus Ex for that.

Also, your being an asshat about it only proves the point.

PC gamers get shitty console ports and complain about that. They actually have a reason.

<- amen /thread

You don't pay enough for many developers to afford top quality. When you pay more, they can afford to put in more. This is not rocket surgery. Game companies are there to make money, not lose it.

But you've missed my points, instead of ignoring the platform's weaknesses for developers, how do you leverage the PC so that it can be profitable enough to have the games you claim you want to pay for?

I know you want to ignore that question and just cry 'SHITTY PORTS WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA' again, which I'm sure is working out very well for you and is resulting in some very deep and complex games... or maybe you can shut the fuck up about it, and look at it like this: How can we get the companies that make the games we love the cash they need so they can make the games we love the way we love them?

No no, go ahead and cry and whine and piss and moan some more. It's not like that question's answer will save your platform of choice or anything. Just keep ignoring it and pretending your platform is the holy motherland of ubergaming and that it has absolutely no problems and that developers love its quirks and eccentricities and that ATI and NVIDIA aren't in some competition to make the others products look worse and that lack of standardization is good for gaming.

No no. Don't answer the important question. Just ignore it and it will go away!

How come you no get banned for being offensive?

let's see "how do you leverage the PC so that it can be profitable enough to have the games you claim you want to pay for?"

1. Increase numbers of PC gamers (console games are more profitable because and ONLY BECAUSE there is more console gamers)
2. Stop buying games. Ports won't sell on PC so they will have to stop making games for PC... But since they are greedy they will start making better ports- we are not asking that much to be changed after all AT LEAST MAKE DECENT CONTROLS FOR PC VERSION

next "You don't pay enough for many developers to afford top quality. "
What top quality do you speak about? Does adding manual aim instead auto aim is high quality? I need no fancy graphics or physics - you have ignored my example with System Shock 2 -> that kind of quality is enough for me as long as game is good.

"again, which I'm sure is working out very well for you and is resulting in some very deep and complex games" I don't cry for PC games dumbing down - I don't play that much (they dumbed down Alice so I do cry on her grave). And yes crying helps - Frozen synapse. THANK GOOD THERE IS INDIES

"System Shock 2 is not a terribly good example of what games they are making these days," THAT'S EXAMPLE OF WHAT GAMES THEY ARE NOT MAKING THESE DAYS...

and for
"asshat" "shut the fuck up about it" "go ahead and cry and whine and piss and moan some more"
1. prof you are defensive fanboy
2. Kid that doesn't know any manners
3. Kids like you are reason I will newer look at console gamers seriously (until exceptional individuals proves their worth to be taken seriously)

 

[instantbenz]

Fact: the broadening of the vast majority of game platforms to including both PC and consoles has resulted in an excessive dumbing down of games in various ways. Some of these include: control schemes, difficulty, complexity in all areas, content, graphics, and so on.

The problem with games being dumbed down is with developers not because of consoles. I have no idea why some pc gamers say otherwise but I think we can all agree that those pc gamers are entitled fuckwits.

When the developers develop a dumbed-down game for a console it's because it's being developed for a console . Thus it is due to consoles and console gaming that games are being dumbed-down.

simple logic there ... okay on to op

My opinion on the PC/console gamers' squabble is that it's a bit silly and everyone's got their reasons for being one or the other or SHOCK both.

I'm straying from console gaming as I can't trust the damn things and I'm completely at home with a computer. I can build one myself and I am confident with the control schemes of pc games.

Interface further allows for more complexity in the game world and that is why I agree with people saying that games are dumbed-down for consoles.

Lastly, consoles are easy to maintain and last for quite a few years before needing upgrades. There is certainly more responsibility in being a pc gamer. But, as a designer, I need to have a solid machine to work on my programs and I must invest in a powerful machine and keep it up regardless of if I just want to have recreational fun time on it.

I need a pc. I don't need a console.

 

[PlowmanMk]

Reading this entire thread has made me realise we need a gaming Buddha, to enlighten us all and direct us to peace and harmony. Or maybe a gaming Dalai Lama?

I prefer my PC over my consoles, but that is really just because it is more convenient for me. As I always say, how you game is up to you.

We are all gamers. We have different preference, but we are all one community.

 

[DeleteThisAcc]

I have both a middle-range gaming PC and a PS3. I use both for games. A good part of this is personal preference.

I play inFamous, Arkham Asylum, Burnout Paradise, and so forth on the PS3 because I think those types of game lend themselves to controller more readily than keyboard and because PC ports are often inferior. I also own PS3 for the Blu-Ray aspect.

Then there are games like Civilization or StarCraft, which simply cannot thrive on consoles. PC is their natural habitat. I also play all my FPS on PC because I cannot abide aiming with a stick. The PC also gives me Internet, music, data storage, and all the gazillion other things.

I see this dumbing down phenomenon. BioShock is a great example. Having played System Shock I can tell you the loss of inventory in the successor significantly reduces the realism and immersion. Are we expected to believe BioShock's protagonist doesn't have a back pocket in which to stuff a candy bar when he is able to tote thousands of rounds of ammunition? There is no good reason for doing away with it. And that's not all -- hacking is a joke, plasmids can be rearranged at will, you can't go twenty feet without tripping over a Pep Bar, and so on. Why is this done? "To make it simpler/easier" is not enough reason. I don't blame this on the existence of consoles although I think that is a contributing factor. If the trend continues there soon will not be any such thing as a complex or difficult game.

hear what sane person says. I completely agree with you, and I mean COMPLETELY.

 

[PettingZOOPONY]

My pc was the top of the line, it still can play a lot of games getting a release, it cost me 500 pounds. My ps3, xb360 and wii 2nd hand (still with full warranty) cost me £320.

Does that PC cost include a cost of a moniter and all that shit?

If yes then shouldn't you include the cost of the TV in the cost of your console?

Why? That logic implies that anyone who has bought a console also went and bought their TV especially. I owned my HD TV long before I owned my console.

And by that logic all PC gamers should include in price is a cheap GPU because who doesn't own a PC already.

 

[Connor Mulhern]

I like both, can this is very hypocritical, as now you are bashing PC gamers for trying to "PCify" games

 

[Jake the Snake]

DISCLAIMER: I'd like to start this out by saying not all PC gamers do this, and I really appreciate the ones that don't. This is not aimed at anyone not guilty of this, so put your flame shields down. For those that do do this, prepare thyself.

^ Beginning arguments like that will not lessen people's reaction to you flaming them.

OT:
*Facepalm* I don't understand why people get so worked up about this. Why are PC gaming and console gaming two separate fucking factions within the gaming community? People: they're just games. Developers make them for a variety of platforms. Are we seriously getting mad at each other for choosing one platform over the other? So what if "PC gamers" prefer the control method of a keyboard and mouse? So what if they want to make sure their games control well? You'd want the same thing for console games right? Now, I mostly play games on the PC, but i enjoy console games just as well. Why all the hostility? This isn't something worth getting angry over. If people are acting stupid about it, do what any mature human being does: Ignore it.

 

[PettingZOOPONY]

DISCLAIMER: I'd like to start this out by saying not all PC gamers do this, and I really appreciate the ones that don't. This is not aimed at anyone not guilty of this, so put your flame shields down. For those that do do this, prepare thyself.

^ Beginning arguments like that will not lessen people's reaction to you flaming them.

OT:
*Facepalm* I don't understand why people get so worked up about this. Why are PC gaming and console gaming two separate fucking factions within the gaming community? People: they're just games. Developers make them for a variety of platforms. Are we seriously getting mad at each other for choosing one platform over the other? So what if "PC gamers" prefer the control method of a keyboard and mouse? So what if they want to make sure their games control well? You'd want the same thing for console games right? Now, I mostly play games on the PC, but i enjoy console games just as well. Why all the hostility? This isn't something worth getting angry over. If people are acting stupid about it, do what any mature human being does: Ignore it.

Because its fun to argue and talk shit to each other, at the end of the day watch someone talk shit about gaming and general and both groups will forget about their bullshit and descend on the lesser beings who don't play games like angry pissed hornets.

 

[Jake Martinez]

I'm a PC gamer (but not exclusively, I have an xbox360 that I use for xbox only titles). My only complaint about consoles really is that they hold back gaming technology like nobodies business.

People always talk about graphics, but really - that's a no brainer. I have dual high end video cards with a multitude of ram and gpu's and pretty much all I get from a console to PC port these days is better textures. The real issue I have is in the limitations the low rate CPU/IO on consoles bring to the table and how they prevent developers from even attempting anything new or cool.

I mean, hell, you want a persisent world in your video game with NPC's that go and do crazy stuff and live their lives when you're not there? You could build something insanely intense on a PC (but not a console) because of the CPU/RAM/IO limitations and given how popular sandbox games are, it would be insane to see what a good developer could do around modeling a real world/people.

Hell - ever notice that in all these sandbox games, the game (world) or NPC's never really work against you? It's not because game developers are incapable of making a computer player (a real computer play that can co-ordinate game events and NPC's according to a rule set), but it's because anything more complicated than a few rudimentary AI rulesets for combat would bring most gaming consoles to their knees.

It really annoys me actually - the long-ass console life cycle (and even though this latest one has been terrible, it'll probably only get worse) has majorly stifled game development in terms of creativity and possibilities.

I want that potential unleashed... which is why I disdain game consoles. I don't think they're good for anyone, not even gamers. I think they promote an inferior product that exists only to make a select few publishers rich.

I doubt anyone cares about my opinion - but there you have it.

 

[Tortoiseloz]

well, this thread is full of trolls so
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/121/563/i%20wub%20woo.jpg?1304928747

Well said indeed

 

[Archer666]

I prefer the PC to consoles. I love buying new hardware once every 2-3 years, and installing it myself. I do have a PS3, but thats mostly for fighting games. The rest of the lineup just doesn't interest me. Then again, I mostly play RTS, fighting games and cool adventure games like Witcher 2.

 

[PettingZOOPONY]

well, this thread is full of trolls so
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/121/563/i%20wub%20woo.jpg?1304928747

Well said indeed

You take your friendship magic and shove it up your...god that thing is cute.

 

[Waaghpowa]

From where I am standing, the only difference between consoles and PCs is that PCs can run a few programs

"From where I am standing" so your perspective is an opinion, not necessarily based on fact?

The reason for the frequent upgrades in the past is because during that time, technology was moving incredibly fast. Now, it's slowed down, we're not going to get much better. The next generation of consoles wont be much better than the current one. In other words, your perspective is stuck in the past, it doesn't apply to current technology.

The current game PC I'm running cost me 1500 dollars initially 3 years ago, haven't had to make a single change to it since then, and it currently plays everything on the highest settings. And guess what, since the next generation of consoles wont be much better, I wont have any problems running the games they come out for the Xbox whatever.

 

[Pearwood]

How can you make a very bold, sweeping statement, when it was established quite early on in this thread that those PC gamers who are vocal about how much better they are than console gamers are a very loud minority?

Hence the "those pc gamers" rather than just "pc gamers".

 

[Chibz]

Reading this entire thread has made me realise we need a gaming Buddha, to enlighten us all and direct us to peace and harmony. Or maybe a gaming Dalai Lama?

Fine.

There is no casual gaming, there is no hardcore gaming. Merely gaming, and the pursuit of oneness.

There are many paths to the ultimate goal, many different ways of walking the paths. But so long as you do it honestly, and without actively harming others on their path it's all the same.