A rational discussion about the advantages and disadvantages of the ps3 and xbox 360

[GloatingSwine]

As for Uncharted, I simply don't think the lean against wall and shoot over mechanic from Second Sight will match up to Jak 2 and it's GTA crossed with platformer style.

Uncharted is a very good game. Could have done possibly with a little more platforming and a little less shooting, because the shooting isn't the strongest out there (the weapons feel piddly, and there's frequent cases of transparent whack-a-mole enemy spawning). Animation's gorgeous though.

My thoughts on Ratchet and Clank are that it simply wont be as funny as number 3 (especially Quarks plan of attack), although at least Insomniac decided not to include a multiplayer in tools of destruction.

It's better than the third game. Not as good as the second.

 

[eggdog14]

I would give my thoughts on the matter, but Gabe Newell said them for me:

So you think the Xbox 360s architecture is crap as well, since it wasn't that long ago he was complaining about that too.

Not exactly. At the time he was complaining about the multi-core processors, (which he now praises) they weren't mainstream. However, these days you cannot find a moderate ranged computer without multi-core processors. The market has adapted them, and they are now the leading technology.

The cell processor, however, will not catch on. It is far too expensive to produce. That and programming games for them is a disaster, especially on games designed for multiple systems. There's no reason for developers to completely alter their workflow for a tiny percentage of the market. This is why Apple switched from the G5, a cell processor, to the multi-core intel. Apple's are now much easier to program for, widening the market, while still maintaining a more stable OS.

 

[stevesan]

heh if you could rationally answer questions like this...you'd be a very rich man.

i think for mere mortals, the answer is "no fucking clue." the 360 has more great games now, but so will the PS3 come 2008 (MGS4, Gran Turismo, Little Big Planet). so it's really anyone's guess.

 

[Kermi]

Btw kermi surely you should be working instead of posting on a forum

In an insurance call center on Christmas eve? Yeah, I'm completely flat out.

 

[PurpleRain]

Get laid more if you own a Sexbox 3sexty. And if you own a Gaystation 3... you will die. Period.

 

[squirrelman42]

My thoughts:

Sony has been consistently pissing me off with all the bad PR, the overpriced systems, and just their attitude that they think they know better than the consumer. That said, I do acknowledge that the PS3 has something going for it....just not yet.

This is the X-mas to get a 360 (since the wii's are impossible to find) X-box has a bigger library, is more affordable (slightly), and has better exclusives.

Next year will be the year for a PS3. If Sony plays their cards right and focuses their console as a GAME SYSTEM instead of a blu-ray spewing colossus then next X-mas they will be the force to be reckoned with. The system will be more affordable, hopefully the PS2 library will be backwards compatible by then, the online store will have more going for it, and the big games that it's been promising will be out. If at least half of that happens, the PS3 will do just fine.

 

[shadow skill]

You know I hate the whole we WANT A GAME SYSTEM!!!!one eleventy! people. The fact of the matter is that game systems have always been computers, they were so before some of these people were born and they will be after. It's ironic because gaming on desktop computers is very big but you do not see them marketed for games by and large. You see them marketed as multimedia devices ...which is exactly what the 360 and the ps3 are in the first place! Sony's problem was that they marketed the product under the assumption that thier target audience was more intelligent than they actually are. The fact of the matter is that feature wise none of the consoles this generation were overpriced. It also did not help that the low end model failed to differentiate from the lower spec 360.

 

[eggdog14]

HL2-OrangeBox (360): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/halflife2theorangebox

HL2-OrangeBox (PS3): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/halflife2theorangebox




HAHAHAHAHAhahahahHAHAHhaha. Hahaha. Ha. HAHA. ha. ohhhh. ha.

i am amused.

 

[PurpleRain]

HL2-OrangeBox (360): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/halflife2theorangebox

HL2-OrangeBox (PS3): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/halflife2theorangebox




HAHAHAHAHAhahahahHAHAHhaha. Hahaha. Ha. HAHA. ha. ohhhh. ha.

i am amused.

I think that sums it al up right there.


Also I hate the PS3 ad (the one shown in Australia anyway) with the french-circus looking people dancing and doing ballet and putting a dog in a drycleaner and shit. The ads fine but at the end it states "Technology that upgrades itself" they fail to mention if you had it connected to the net. So me (who couldn't give a damn about Live or anything) would still be living with PS3 mk1. Why would they even need to upgrade their system in the first place? That's my only quarrel with the machine... Rainy out.

 

[Keyvias]

This is my second console war (first being the gamecube, ps2, xbox)
I started off with a gamecube and a ps2 completely trashing xbox and everything microsoft (mostly because my computer decided it had enough of playing games and wiped my drive by itself)
I liked the ps2 for it's large library mostly. I hated almost all of the games but with the sheer volume it guaranteed at least one or two good games every couple months.
Now I was planning on avoiding the 360 just to make sure I wasn't a hypocrite but then the ps3 price tag came out.
That's the killer, that and the fact sony thought they could get away with something like that.
That along with the AIM syndrome are the reasons I decided for the 360.
AIM syndrome is when you know so many people that have it that you will always have someone online with. I use it because the only reason I got AIM is because people kept asking for my screen name.
When people argue graphics I have this to say. Soon graphics will be a standard not something to brag about.
And my final point. If Microsoft wants it, Microsoft can and will buy it.
Hell they made a halo 3 ferris wheel. They have enough money to blow it on a ferris wheel.
Sony may have liquid millions but compare that to people who are willing to toss money at carnies to sell games

 

[PurpleRain]

It is also proven that reading more books makes you smarter.

 

[DangerousFat]

The 360 launched Nov 22, 2005 and the PS3 launched Nov 17, 2006 in North America. So that's a hair shy of a ONE year lead, not almost 3 like a previous poster said. That said... a one year head start is still a big deal. So, here's my breakdown:

PS3 - The PS3 is more powerful, period, we're not going to have that argument. It's doing well this holiday season and that pretty much means it's here to stay. Blu-ray is a wonderful format, as is HD-DVD, but with the drive in the system it has real and tangible backing unlike HD-DVD. The ability to have all regions on a single disc and the ability to support massive data storage on a single disc are definitely going to help in the long run. All models of the PS3 have a hard drive which means developers can, are and will continue to use it to cache data. This means faster loading games that eventually will run smoother too. The PlayStation Network is in its infancy and is progressing well. Sony is an axcellent student and is learning a lot from X-Box Live. Yes, the PSN has a ways to go, but it is evolving constantly.

XBox 360 - The 360 is a far superior system to the original Xbox in almost every way. XBox Live is better than ever, as was mentioned, the online experience on the 360 just isn't matched. The 360 has a year head start and has taken full advantage of this. Being the first Next Gen system it has sold well and built an impressive library that continues to drive sales. The system's pricing is better as well. The real issue is that the 360 launched a year earlier than the PS3 and isn't as powerful. Without a built in high capacity disc drive multiple discs and multiple regioned versions are going to become an issue over the remaining life of the system. Also, Microsoft simply dropped the ball by not including a hard drive in/with every system. The Core and Arcade bundles are great for comsumers looking to get into the Next Gen more cost effectively, but are going to seriously hurt them in the future because developers won't use it to cache data since they can't count on everyone that would buy the game owning a 360 with a hard drive.

Conclusion - The 360 will continue to do well for another 2-3 years and most likely maintain the lead it has over the PS3 though that lead may shrink in the coming years as the PS3 becoms more affordable and games being to equal or surpass the 360 visually. Sometime around 2010 or 2011 the 360 will start showing it's age. Developers will have all of their tools running much better for the PS3 and as many developers have stated they will start with PS3 development since it is harder and then port down to the 360. At that point Microsoft will have to launch a new console. This is where the issue really, truly lies. Microsoft will launch a new console as the PS3 is still gaining steam. They will hit a brick wall of consumers not willing to purchase another new console considering they already have atleast one and that many of them may already have Wii's or even Wii 2's and the new affordable PS3.

That's how I feel anyway. I own both. The 360 for gaming goodness now, the PS3 for the future.

 

[GloatingSwine]

Conclusion - The 360 will continue to do well for another 2-3 years and most likely maintain the lead it has over the PS3 though that lead may shrink in the coming years as the PS3 becoms more affordable and games being to equal or surpass the 360 visually. Sometime around 2010 or 2011 the 360 will start showing it's age. Developers will have all of their tools running much better for the PS3 and as many developers have stated they will start with PS3 development since it is harder and then port down to the 360. At that point Microsoft will have to launch a new console. This is where the issue really, truly lies. Microsoft will launch a new console as the PS3 is still gaining steam. They will hit a brick wall of consumers not willing to purchase another new console considering they already have atleast one and that many of them may already have Wii's or even Wii 2's and the new affordable PS3..

If the PS3 is still "gaining steam" in three years time, it will have failed. By then everyone in the world and their dog will already have a Wii, and the software library of the PS3 will be nothing like the PS2s (which is what it still keeping it going), because there's very little incentive to develop exclusively for it, given that it's in third place in the market.

 

[TheHound]

I do think its funny that everyone keeps talking about what a powerfull piece of kit the Playstation 3. Sure its good, but is it really that good at games? For all the benchmarks and uses ive seen of the PS3, ive never seen anything thats shown it can do something more impressive in a game than a PC or even the 360. I mean its a amazing at doing floating point operations but what about hyperthreading? What has the PS3 done or supposed to be able to do that the Xbox360 cant? (Btw this is a genuine question)

 

[HuCast]

You ll see the difference in one year when you compare "home" to the 360 dashboard

 

[GloatingSwine]

You ll see the difference in one year when you compare "home" to the 360 dashboard

"Home" is not going to replace the XMB as the system dashboard. It's a Second Life clone that runs as a program on top of XMB.

 

[daemonire]

A bit of a question: since this is supposed to be a rational discussion, could someone recall the highlights of the 360's first year of games? I mention this because if we're discussing the machines themselves rather than ahh which is currently the most slam-bangin', such discussion would benifit from timeline comparison, no?

Reason being that games tend to get more polished the longer a platform is out and folks get used to designing for it. Or it did in the old days any way... I'm somewhat out of touch~

I'd respond to Thehound's question, but I don't think a list of hardware features is what's wanted, nor am I a cell programmer capable of stating what 'normal' cpu / graphics card it would perform as for comparison. The thing is a bit difficult to assess (in terms we're used to)- at least in my perspective as a pc gamer.

 

[Saskwach]

It's early so I skimmed and I'm opinionated and talkative so I thought I'd post anyway (what a lovely combination).
It's quite hard to compare these two consoles from a hardcore perspective because hardcore console gamers take into account all the minute details of systems. Therefore analysing their choice is difficult. However, the casual view seems to me (a card-carrying hardcore gamer, albeit an opinionated one) a lot simpler.
PS3: HOW many zeros?! (in Australia the PS3 debuted for $1000 which in real terms costs more than 700 American. So stop whining you yanks.) Negligible graphics difference.
360: Hmmm, that's kinda steep but for whatever reason I haven't gotten a Wii. Larger and better games library right now. Negligible graphics difference. What's a red ring of death?

 

[eggdog14]

PS3 - The PS3 is more powerful, period, we're not going to have that argument. It's doing well this holiday season and that pretty much means it's here to stay. Blu-ray is a wonderful format, as is HD-DVD, but with the drive in the system it has real and tangible backing unlike HD-DVD. The ability to have all regions on a single disc and the ability to support massive data storage on a single disc are definitely going to help in the long run.

The PS3 is faster. Much faster. That is indisputable. However, as far as actual graphical capabilities are concerned, it is not all that much better. They built it like a supercomputer, NOT a gaming console.

Though i do agree, Blu-Ray looks like the winner right now, HD-DVD has less space, and isn't backed by anything else. That, and with the PS3 costing the same as any normal Blu-ray player, people may be inclined to get a playstation just for the hell of it.

Sometime around 2010 or 2011 the 360 will start showing it's age. Developers will have all of their tools running much better for the PS3 and as many developers have stated they will start with PS3 development since it is harder and then port down to the 360. At that point Microsoft will have to launch a new console. This is where the issue really, truly lies. Microsoft will launch a new console as the PS3 is still gaining steam. They will hit a brick wall of consumers not willing to purchase another new console considering they already have atleast one and that many of them may already have Wii's or even Wii 2's and the new affordable PS3.

I couldn't disagree more. Developers will NOT have improved tools unless they are developing exclusively for sony. When developing a game it is programmed on a PC, without a cell processor. When developing a game for multiple consoles, they won't start with the PS3, theres no reason to. Especially because PS3 is dead last in sales, there's no reason to shift their position for such a small portion of the market.

By the time the Xbox 3 or Wii2 comes out, PS3 will be dead in the water. Developers will move on to the new systems, not stay with an old one that was never easy to work with. Plus, by that time, nobody is going to buy a NEW last-gen console when new systems are coming out. The sales right now already show the PS3 as a failure. The consumer has already taken on the other systems.