A rational discussion about the advantages and disadvantages of the ps3 and xbox 360
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Ive got a 360 and I like it would not mind having a ps3 but not going to bother because none of the exclusives interest me at the moment there is a big 360 title that is coming out that interests me Fable 2 coming in the future and from the few videos Ive seen it looks really good http://www.lionhead.com/fable2/index.html
Ironically most of those were on (or are now on) pc or playstation 3. Dead Rising was a neat concept though. Like I said the past two years have pretty much sucked for consoles.
*headdesk ad infinitum*
Let me sum up the entire console war in a tidy post 'kay?
Each console has their ups and downs, and are good and bad in their own way.
A better thread would be, "Which console has better games, and would have a more worthwhile experience in the long run?"
Let me sum up the entire console war in a tidy post 'kay?
Each console has their ups and downs, and are good and bad in their own way.
A better thread would be, "Which console has better games, and would have a more worthwhile experience in the long run?"
i dont get why so many people complain about the playstation controllers or the xbox controllers. i personally prefer the playstation ones but that's just because im more used to them and saying a controller is the reason you wont buy a console is just ridiculous there are plenty of 3rd party controllers to suit anybody's needs.
No there are not and if you think so you need to wake up. Most third party controllers suck more than the first party offerings. That said overall controller design in general just is not very good at all period. Stick buttons always manage to suck because they are designed in such a way that they require too much pressure to push in making them useful only for toggles. Things also get interesting when you are manipulating the sticks and trying to push them in at the same time since the amount of pressure you need to apply actually increases because the stick is no longer dead centre on the inner button.Heatseeker said:
Controllers are a very big factor, certainly for me. If PS3 or 360 (maybe Wii) had come with a fully supported keyboard and mouse option for FPS it might have been enough to get me to get one. My main games being FPS,RPG and stratergy. FPS really are best played on mouse and keyboard IMO cos i suck with gamepad, and gamepads always get creamed when playing against someone on mouse and keyboard.
Not saying that applies to everyone but to say controllers arent a big deal, your wrong. The Wii has been very successfull, mainly due to its controller, its shortsighted to say otherwise.
Not saying that applies to everyone but to say controllers arent a big deal, your wrong. The Wii has been very successfull, mainly due to its controller, its shortsighted to say otherwise.
The Xbox 360 struck me as better value for money. So far, I have not been disappointed. There is only one game on the Playstation 3 that I would like, and that is Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. Moreover, most cross platform releases, such as The Orange Box haved turned out considerably better on the Xbox 360. As things currently stand, the Playstation 3 is not worth its pricetag, especially for those of us on a tight gaming budget.
Yay, I made someone laugh! And, just to make this post relevant to the thread, I'd like to say that I enjoy making fun of both consoles, but at the end of the day, I think even if the 360 has more (maybe better) games, the PS3 is more powerful and sturdy, and will probably be longer lasting.AnGeL.SLayer said:
hmm sorry but im going to pick some holes in thisDangerousFat said:
firstly where is this info of the ps3 is doing well i would like to know (i havent fully researched this and i am feeling lazy soz)
secondly the ps3 will only survive as long as blu ray stays alive it, therefore my argument is that its unclear how this will run as i doubt companies will continue to run 2 different formats if one is doing better than the other. But thats a if factor being that i can only speculate at the moment
thirdly psn dosent look to be learning from xbox live if anything its keeping seperate and trying to become unique while taking some pointers from xbox live and evolving? i dont understand truly what your getting at if you could elabourate a bit more that would be appreciated. thx
I really want the PS3 to be successful if only to justify digging through the couch cushions for spare change so my broke ass can someday afford to buy the thing. At the same time I'm kind of hoping the Blu-Ray thing is recognized as a failure and dropped if only to drop the price lower to a much more reasonable amount.
But I'm just griping about the price, which is definitely not the only concern. It's the fact that there does not seem to be a whole lot of support from third-party developers to design games for it that would actually justify the price. Sure, it's a super-powerful technological mastodon that has an enormous amount of potential to be great, but it seems that the only thing it can offer console gamers as far as strength goes over the other systems is just that, and if that's the case, developers are going to want to do everything they can to take full advantage of it, and what does that mean for them? Longer waits for game releases, more work required to put into them to perfect these games, and this could probably mean higher prices.
Everyone who purchased a PS3 wants to see it do well, and I'm really hoping it does. I'm just starting to lose faith.
I've got nothin' good to say about the XBox 360. I'll leave it at that.
But I'm just griping about the price, which is definitely not the only concern. It's the fact that there does not seem to be a whole lot of support from third-party developers to design games for it that would actually justify the price. Sure, it's a super-powerful technological mastodon that has an enormous amount of potential to be great, but it seems that the only thing it can offer console gamers as far as strength goes over the other systems is just that, and if that's the case, developers are going to want to do everything they can to take full advantage of it, and what does that mean for them? Longer waits for game releases, more work required to put into them to perfect these games, and this could probably mean higher prices.
Everyone who purchased a PS3 wants to see it do well, and I'm really hoping it does. I'm just starting to lose faith.
I've got nothin' good to say about the XBox 360. I'll leave it at that.
It's late and I'm getting old, so I've not read the whole thread. I do own a 360, though, and so feel vaguely entitled to spout off some opinions.
As far as I can make out, and having spent a good deal of time perusing the System Wars forum at Gamespot (actually most of the forums seem to be system wars there, but,,,) the 'More Power' argument generally invoked by PS3 advocates is based on fairly thin logic ice. They'll say something like 'but it's got eight 3.2Ghz processor cores! It doesn't take a genius to see that makes more power!' (actually they'd use more exclamation marks: I'll put them in for authenticity: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) But if pressed on the matter, few people can really explain how having eight shit hot processors is any better than having three, as I gather the 360 does. The argument becomes a bit redundant because few people seem all that well versed in the ins and outs of multi-core computer programming. It's not always the case in life that just having a load of stuff is better- stuffing a Bugatti engine into a Mini doesn't automatically give you a car that can travel at 250mph but can also be carried in a suitcase. Probably.
But as a 360 owner I wouldn't say I'm particularly happy either. I resent having spent a good chunk of money on something which, by anyone's reckoning, can be very tempermental. Should I have the nerve to accidentally touch my 360 when it's running then, sure enough, red lights spring up. I have to turn it off, put some Bach on in the background, and wait for it to calm down. The DVD drive often doesn't come out when I press the eject button- it just clunks around pathetically until I pry it open with a pencil. The very fact that the console comes WITH it's own series of flashing red lights as code for just how broken it is makes me suspicious. It's hardly as if it can be claimed that the makers had no inkling of the faults. More than anything the 360 seems to scream 'rushed to market'.
And the Wii. Who knows about the Wii? It's such an unknown quantity at the moment. Part of the fuel for the demand seems to be it's scarcity, the newspapers telling them this is what they want, and the kids wanting it 'cos everyone else seems to have one except them. I like the Wii- Mario, Zelda...um...others, they make a good use of the controller and the console, and everyone has a good time. At the same time I'm not wholly convinced it's not a flash in the pan, that people will realise that motion sensitive controls can (and certainly will) be accomplished on other home consoles, alongside superior graphical fidelity and better online functionality. Nintendo didn't invent motion sensitivity, and if there's not a bit more imagination shown in using the motion sensitivity then there could be trouble. What's the use of mapping jump to a sharp, upward jerk of the Wiimote? It's just replacing one repetitive gesture with another- normally you'd move your thumb and press a button.
Anyway, that's a review of the past and present. If my years of gaming have taught me anything, though, it's that predicting the future is entirely hopeless. I can be fairly confident, though, that the PC will always be there, sitting patiently in the wings like a zombie stagehand. The old girl's got life in her yet...
As far as I can make out, and having spent a good deal of time perusing the System Wars forum at Gamespot (actually most of the forums seem to be system wars there, but,,,) the 'More Power' argument generally invoked by PS3 advocates is based on fairly thin logic ice. They'll say something like 'but it's got eight 3.2Ghz processor cores! It doesn't take a genius to see that makes more power!' (actually they'd use more exclamation marks: I'll put them in for authenticity: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) But if pressed on the matter, few people can really explain how having eight shit hot processors is any better than having three, as I gather the 360 does. The argument becomes a bit redundant because few people seem all that well versed in the ins and outs of multi-core computer programming. It's not always the case in life that just having a load of stuff is better- stuffing a Bugatti engine into a Mini doesn't automatically give you a car that can travel at 250mph but can also be carried in a suitcase. Probably.
But as a 360 owner I wouldn't say I'm particularly happy either. I resent having spent a good chunk of money on something which, by anyone's reckoning, can be very tempermental. Should I have the nerve to accidentally touch my 360 when it's running then, sure enough, red lights spring up. I have to turn it off, put some Bach on in the background, and wait for it to calm down. The DVD drive often doesn't come out when I press the eject button- it just clunks around pathetically until I pry it open with a pencil. The very fact that the console comes WITH it's own series of flashing red lights as code for just how broken it is makes me suspicious. It's hardly as if it can be claimed that the makers had no inkling of the faults. More than anything the 360 seems to scream 'rushed to market'.
And the Wii. Who knows about the Wii? It's such an unknown quantity at the moment. Part of the fuel for the demand seems to be it's scarcity, the newspapers telling them this is what they want, and the kids wanting it 'cos everyone else seems to have one except them. I like the Wii- Mario, Zelda...um...others, they make a good use of the controller and the console, and everyone has a good time. At the same time I'm not wholly convinced it's not a flash in the pan, that people will realise that motion sensitive controls can (and certainly will) be accomplished on other home consoles, alongside superior graphical fidelity and better online functionality. Nintendo didn't invent motion sensitivity, and if there's not a bit more imagination shown in using the motion sensitivity then there could be trouble. What's the use of mapping jump to a sharp, upward jerk of the Wiimote? It's just replacing one repetitive gesture with another- normally you'd move your thumb and press a button.
Anyway, that's a review of the past and present. If my years of gaming have taught me anything, though, it's that predicting the future is entirely hopeless. I can be fairly confident, though, that the PC will always be there, sitting patiently in the wings like a zombie stagehand. The old girl's got life in her yet...
I agree with NecroSwanson and the hound. Both consoles do very well in their own right.
I have nothing more to say.
Furthermore, now I have found a place were rational people reside.
Finally I'm away from the Festering Fanboy pools of Youtube.
I have nothing more to say.
Furthermore, now I have found a place were rational people reside.
Finally I'm away from the Festering Fanboy pools of Youtube.
The Playstation 3 is slightly more powerful than the Xbox 360. The problem is that the Playstation 3 is significantly more difficult to develop for. It is easy to get a PC game running well on the Xbox 360, or an Xbox 360 game running well on the PC, whereas porting any game to or from the Playstation 3 is somewhat trickier. This situation is similar to the last generation, excepting that the Xbox was more powerful than the Playstation 2. Unfortunately for Sony, the Playstation 3 does not have the incredible lead which they enjoyed in the last generation, so it makes little business sense for publishers or developers to spend the resources necessary to exploit the potential of the Playstation 3. There is little incentive to do so while the installed base is low, software sales lacklustre and the Xbox 360 offering an alternative.
The consequence is that Xbox 360 games will tend to look as good as Playstation 3 games, cross-platform releases will often look better on the Xbox 360, and Playstation 3 games will tend to have delayed release dates with cross-platform games arriving months later.
The main problem with the Xbox 360 has been reliability, but from what I understand this will only remain a problem for those who purchased an older Xbox 360, with the new models far more reliable. Moreover, the Xbox 360 is considerably better value for money. I tend to agree with Valve' Gabe Newell, Sony have made a dogs dinner of the Playstation 3. Please understand that I do not think that this is a good thing, since I am under no illusions: Microsft meet my demands better when facing competition. I have nothing against Sony and owned a Playstation 2 in the last generation for much the same reason that I own an Xbox 360 in this generation. I just think Sony have dropped the ball this time.
Edit: Most importantly though, the Xbox 360 simply has a better catalogue, not only does it have more exclusive title but also better exclusive title. Moreover, cross-platform releases are almost without exception, superior on the Xbox 360.
The consequence is that Xbox 360 games will tend to look as good as Playstation 3 games, cross-platform releases will often look better on the Xbox 360, and Playstation 3 games will tend to have delayed release dates with cross-platform games arriving months later.
The main problem with the Xbox 360 has been reliability, but from what I understand this will only remain a problem for those who purchased an older Xbox 360, with the new models far more reliable. Moreover, the Xbox 360 is considerably better value for money. I tend to agree with Valve' Gabe Newell, Sony have made a dogs dinner of the Playstation 3. Please understand that I do not think that this is a good thing, since I am under no illusions: Microsft meet my demands better when facing competition. I have nothing against Sony and owned a Playstation 2 in the last generation for much the same reason that I own an Xbox 360 in this generation. I just think Sony have dropped the ball this time.
Edit: Most importantly though, the Xbox 360 simply has a better catalogue, not only does it have more exclusive title but also better exclusive title. Moreover, cross-platform releases are almost without exception, superior on the Xbox 360.
I decided to buy a PS3 for a few reasons.
1: Backwards compatability - I have PS1 and 2 games which all work on my PS3. I am disappointed so far in the whole Guitar Hero/Rock Band fiasco, but I still have a PS2 hooked up for just those games and will wait to see how it turns out before dumping the old system.
2: My PS3 doesn't "explode" - I bought it a year ago, and it still working just as good as the day I bought it. With the experiences that my buddy had with the regular XBox and from what I've heard from the 360, I didn't want to dump money into a system that I'd be worried about conking out at any moment.
3: The greatest "promise" for a library - I remember the PS2 not having a large library when it first came out, but it eventually surpassed everyone's expectations. The XBox has a terrible library of games, if you own a computer, and the 360 is looking to be the same way. I have a high end computer, and all of the games worth owning to me for the XBox are on the PC and done better. Elder Scrolls, Fable, KOTOR are all on the PC. For the 360 Oblivion is on the PC. I fully expect Mass Effect to end up on the PC, as well as Fable 2 et al. The only argument is whether I will be forced to upgrade to Vista for them. Ergo, I have no need for a 360, and a PS3 was a much better choice.
1: Backwards compatability - I have PS1 and 2 games which all work on my PS3. I am disappointed so far in the whole Guitar Hero/Rock Band fiasco, but I still have a PS2 hooked up for just those games and will wait to see how it turns out before dumping the old system.
2: My PS3 doesn't "explode" - I bought it a year ago, and it still working just as good as the day I bought it. With the experiences that my buddy had with the regular XBox and from what I've heard from the 360, I didn't want to dump money into a system that I'd be worried about conking out at any moment.
3: The greatest "promise" for a library - I remember the PS2 not having a large library when it first came out, but it eventually surpassed everyone's expectations. The XBox has a terrible library of games, if you own a computer, and the 360 is looking to be the same way. I have a high end computer, and all of the games worth owning to me for the XBox are on the PC and done better. Elder Scrolls, Fable, KOTOR are all on the PC. For the 360 Oblivion is on the PC. I fully expect Mass Effect to end up on the PC, as well as Fable 2 et al. The only argument is whether I will be forced to upgrade to Vista for them. Ergo, I have no need for a 360, and a PS3 was a much better choice.
Hah, I own all three of the major consoles-- that's the way to go, laddie. Sure, my wallet took a hit, but now instead of being caught up in some lame console war I can simply stroll into my local GameStop and grab any game I wish.
How can you say that.shadow skill said:
consoles do have more games but pc's have much better graphics.
and now u will say that one needs to own a 3000$ pc to enjoy those graphics, but tell me one thing does every body buy a mercedes or a lamborgini.
CONSOLES ARE FOR AMATUERS BUT PC's ARE FOR HARDCORE GAMERS !
jaisimar_chelsea slightly off topic ... besides that all depends on what you prefer i mean you'll always have different callibers of gamers on whatever you play i know people who both on and suck at halo3 whereas its the same with counter strike but the fact is you dont have to buy a pc to be "a hardcore gamer" you just gotta be good at what you play simple
btw sorrry for this off topic post
btw sorrry for this off topic post