A realistic discussion of Pirates vs. Ninjas

[PedroSteckecilo]

Depends... Samurai armor can't stop a bullet, hell Samurai Armor can't even stop a European Sword.

Remember Children, the Katana is a great sword for cutting down unarmored peasants and bandits and engaging in dramatic duels with other unarmored samurai, but when it comes in contact with chain mail... well, it doesn't hold up so well.

 

[Aardvark Soup]

Considering pirates still exist (especially in Somalia) and are usually armed with AK-47's I'd put my money on them.

 

[CY_Definitive]

Depends... Samurai armor can't stop a bullet, hell Samurai Armor can't even stop a European Sword.

Remember Children, the Katana is a great sword for cutting down unarmored peasants and bandits and engaging in dramatic duels with other unarmored samurai, but when it comes in contact with chain mail... well, it doesn't hold up so well.

God that was a lovely quote. Finally someone who didn't jump on the Rurouni-Kenshin-Realism-Bandwagon when the show came on Cartoon Network. Its people like you who make my day, Pedro. *Thumbs up*

Assuming there's no distinction between modern and old world pirates (Blackbeard and Mtumbo from Somalia) and no distinction between old world and modern ninjas (The generic Ninja Stereotype from the Feudal era and a Special Forces soldier (no country in particular) trained in Ninjitsu (again, no country in particular), I think...well...Pirates have ships?

If the ninja can get on it (or pull a NATO/SEALS-style takeover and snipe every baddie on deck), then ninjas would be superior.

 

[traceur_]

Ninjas win because they are full of win

agreed

 

[Skullcheese501]

Contrary to common belief ninjas were never reported to use shuriken, it was invented by the media to make ninjas seem cooler i personally believe that it would a tie in the fight mainly beacause some ninjas were trained swordsman for instance hattori hanzo who was a clan leader and very skilled swordsman. most pirates were ex sailors and turned to piracy for some cash.according to japanese history the ninja appeared around 14th century and continued from the Kamakira to the edo period.I don't know where i had found this but ninjas sometimes used shinpads with fottpirnts on them to mask their tracks.Pirates were found near japan so the pirate v.s ninja thing my have happened

 

[TheMatt]

Ohh! This seems like a perfect time to show people this picture I made!!

What do you think?

Shut up. So it was discussed before 6 years ago, who the hell cares? Let's discuss it again with hundreds of new members possibly bringing hundreds of new opinions and interpretations.

I swear to god you ppl live to say shit like this. "We talked about this before, go away" Go fucking DIE. Or maybe... just maybe, do not even come into the fucking forum. YOU have discussed it before, this guy, and myself for that matter, haven't so pls, fuck off and die.

On another note, Ninja's obviously win. Their fricken ninja's. It's too bad they will never meet on spike's "deadliest warrior" as the ninja has already been defeated by the... ummm... spartans I think and the pirate lost to the knight (again, I think, it's been a while since I saw those episodes.)

 

[Squedee]

I started this, becasue I am sick and tired of the whole pirates vs. ninjas thing. Even today I still find stuff about it. So this is to appropriately put down any more hypothetical nautical/asian battles.

Pirates that we think of originated around the 1600s, when globalization first started to occur. Interestingly enough, a lot of the more infamous pirates (such as Blackbeard) started out as privateers, government funded pirates hired to disrupt shipping of foreign trade. Your cliche pirates really got big around the 1700s, with trading among the Americas, India, and China. They gained further fame through movies such as Pirates of the Caribbean, though most of the cliches in the film were not even true. Basically, pirates were vicious and cruel, and killed, raped, and plundered. They were not the free, fun loving bunch of misfits misunderstood by common society as depicted in Pirates of the Caribbean.

I know its why im a pirate plus i hate being sneaky

 

[Sewer Rat]

Been done before, and ninjas. When will someone ask the real question the real question, Pirates vs Vikings? I guess its because Vikings obviously would win.

 

[ElephantGuts]

Pirates have ships and various gunpowder weapons. Clearly they would have the advantage in a military engagement.

Besides that pirates are way cooler than ninjas.

 

[xXGeckoXx]

Pirates......Okay I played puzzle pirates but that will always be my final choice.

 

[Lazzi]

I started this, becasue I am sick and tired of the whole pirates vs. ninjas thing. Even today I still find stuff about it. So this is to appropriately put down any more hypothetical nautical/asian battles.

Pirates that we think of originated around the 1600s, when globalization first started to occur. Interestingly enough, a lot of the more infamous pirates (such as Blackbeard) started out as privateers, government funded pirates hired to disrupt shipping of foreign trade. Your cliche pirates really got big around the 1700s, with trading among the Americas, India, and China. They gained further fame through movies such as Pirates of the Caribbean, though most of the cliches in the film were not even true. Basically, pirates were vicious and cruel, and killed, raped, and plundered. They were not the free, fun loving bunch of misfits misunderstood by common society as depicted in Pirates of the Caribbean.

Now on to ninjas. Ninjas start much further back, during medieval feudal Japan. I know considerably less about ninjas than I do pirates, but I know that they were not magic. Often, they were simple peasant farmers fed up with their government. Ninjas also did not wear black, as black fabric would have been commodity too precious for a commoner. Most ninjas actually wore dark reds or blues. However, ninjas did employ stealth, martial arts, and a number of chemical tricks to confuse their opponents. For instance, hallucinatory powders thrown into the face of an opponent could make them believe that they were seeing double, as if the the ninja had mystical cloning techniques (familiar?).

However, the biggest issue here is time and place. Two different types of people from opposite sides of the world from different times could not fight. You might as well ask "Who would win, an Aztec Soldier or a Cassock Soldier?". However, if time travel ever becomes possible, I would pay to see such a fight between a pirate and ninja, but for now, let us safely assume that the two do not exist within the same time frames, and so could not battle without that technology.

Now that you've seen my thoughts, what are yours? Simply put, do you agree, disagree, have a different interpretation, or just don't care?

You sir, have a stick up your ass.

 

[Lazzi]

"Who would win, an Aztec Soldier or a Cassock Soldier?".

Obviously the Cossack, he's got a horse and they scare the crap out of Aztecs.

that and the Aztec has never encounterd the common cold.

 

[Masterthief]

Pirates have ships and various gunpowder weapons. Clearly they would have the advantage in a military engagement.

Besides that pirates are way cooler than ninjas.

Actually, ninjas adapted to the use of gunpowder-based weaponry as well. However, I am forced to admit that, in any sea-based confrontation, pirates would win hands down. In a land-based confrontation, held on ground that the ninjas chose and if the two forces were of equal strength the ninjas would probably get the better of the pirates. The pirates' weaponry was generally poor quality steel, unless the were quite successful and/or lucky, and the pistols at the time took so long to reload that they were practically one shot only in any particular battle. The ninjas used very high quality blades, which (mythbusters or no mythbusters) could probably shatter a cutlass with a well placed blow. The ninja were also masters of the theatrical, they supposedly used smoke bombs to cover their movements and various other distraction techniques. In a battle on their own terms, ninjas would win, purely because the pirate tactics were created for battles at sea and on the confined decks of ships, not for the guerilla-style warfare waged by the ninja clans.

 

[messy]

Ninjas were far better spies than assassins. They wore street clothes (well, what were street clothes at the time) - not black "I'm a ninja" robes. They were armed with farming equipment, because only samurai were allowed to have swords. They also had black powder and tear gas stuffed in eggshells. The ninjas we're familiar with are stage ninjas who wore black because black was the clothing that stage workers wore - it was a cue that said "I'm invisible" to the audience.

I think there's only been one confirmed kill by a "ninja" and a whole bunch of failed attempts. Pirates on the other hand, rape, murder and pillage was in their job description. Pirates versus ninjas? The pirates'ed rape them to death, eat their flesh, and sew their skins into their clothing. And, if they're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.

But if we're talking about fictional ninjas, all it takes is one.

Yeah serenity reference! OT; depends where the fight took place cause i a japaneese peasent guise would work in peseasnt villages. If they fought anywhere where the ninja's surprise and stealth were lost the pirates would win.

 

[Lazy Kitty]

Depends, what do you count as ninjas? Only the farmers who didn't have swords, because only military was allowed to carry those, no shuriken, a monk had one, it was the symbol of their monastery which they sharpened. They did have farm tools like nun chucks, originally used for harvest grain, and tonfa, (yes like modern police tonfa) for making the grain into flour. Or do you also count the monks and samurai. Or maybe you were referring to Naruto (in which case it would be an easy choice).Then what kind of fight would it be 1-on-1 or a large scale battle. And what kind of place would they be fighting? Open fields, the pirates ship, a forest, or a small confined space?
I'd say the pirate would kill the ninja, then later die of the poison in his rum (or grog)

 

[Maze1125]

Ohh! This seems like a perfect time to show people this picture I made!!

*insert kitty pic here*

What do you think?

As this hasn't been modded, I can conclude that pictures of pictures of cat's arses are considered acceptable material for the Escapist.

 

[Xvito]

Ever since I saw the Mythbusters episode about Ninja, I'm fully convinced that a Ninja could beat anyone.