A sad day for humanity or at least the public image of these women.

[BRex21]

I am going to issue you the same challence I did to zefichan who you quoted. Show me where all these people are saying horrible things about women who arent at least being trashed in the mainstream media if not being outright fired.

Off the top of my head, I can think of three.

1. Charlie Sheen
Beats and abuses almost every woman he's with, shot one in the arm at one point after a heated argument (which I still think is attempted murder) and despite women coming forth often, telling people what an insane misogynist pig of a human being he is, he remains one of the most well paid and successful actors on television.
There are even some men who say that he's 'living every man's dream'.

2. Bob Ellis
An Australian film critic who made an article detailing how good decent men are getting arrested for rape. Note he is not talking about men who were actually accused of rape, he's talking about men who very much DID commit acts of rape. He undermined the severity of the crimes these men had committed and put blame on the women who got those men punished.
Sure he got a lot of negativity, as have the women on this show clearly, but he wasn't fired.

3. The guy who writes Dilbert
Made a post about how rape is a natural thing and it should be every man's right to do it and that it was cruel that women were allowed their natural right to avoid being raped but men weren't allowed to continue the acts of rape.
He ultimatley had to delete the post he'd made, but he wasn't fired.

Plus, for every psycho feminist blog out there, there are at least a couple of male written blogs that talk about how society is crumbling apart because women are allowed to vote.
Point is, this stuff does exist and it's so in your face in our society to this day... and yet we never get as outraged and we NEVER blame males as a whole whenever it surfaces up. We are also far more likely to use words like 'ironic' to justify that to ourselves.

I will stop blaming feminists for womens unpunished behavior like this when feminists actually stand up against this kind of bias in there ranks.

Zefichan was right, the second four obnoxious women talk shit on a talk show, we go ahead and blame feminism for it. We blame women as a whole and charge them all as being equally resonsible and immediatley put the blame on the women who work tireless hours to fight for equal rights.
There a many different types of feminist out there, it isn't all one single movement with one head like so many people think there are. Are there some people who try to make life easier for women? Yes.
But there are also feminists out there who do a lot of good for this world. And I'm sick of seeing people like you lump them together with the crazies. Both of my sisters are feminists and they don't adhere to ANY of the stereotypes people keep pushing on them, in fact virtually all the girls and women I know are femininists and NONE of them adhere to those stereotypes.

But obviously, four women on a show agree with the actions of a crazy woman, hence they ALL must agree and it must be part of some evil conspiracy to use feminism to turn men into slaves.

Why can they never just be assholes on their own individual merits? Why do we always have to say:
Feminism has allowed them to do it!
As though they are Lex Luthor or something. Like they are a small part of some kind of conspiracy much bigger then themselves that threatens to tear the very fabric of reality apart.

Bob Ellis is the only person there payed for his opinion and im going to assume you never read his article, it has valad points about what constitutes rape, his examples being attempting foreplay with a woman who then bushes you off and says no , having sex with a woman who has given conscent but then fell asleep and hiring a prostitute. While his tone may be somewhat mysogynistic stating rape laws are too harsh on some of the border issues is a far cry from stating that one gender intrinsically deserves torture and mutilation. you are also SEVERELY mis-construing what Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert said, im wiling to bet you never read it but rather read about it on a feminist blog or some such thing, I suggest you look these things up before you post. Finally Charlie Sheen is violent towards everyone this is not a womens issue but rather that of a drugged out crazy man threatening every human being he is near and he WAS fired for his behavior, not the drugs but being verbally abusive at work. He has no respect for anyone not even himself.
I am not quoting the psycho feminist blogs, in a previous post I have clearly stated this. Everything I use as examples are mainstream groups who receve taxpayer dollars for there organizations, Such as the Vagina monologues celebrating lesbian rape or the National Feminist Association in the Bobbit case threatening to castrate 100 innocent men if they dont get there way. I have never claimed feminists are responsible for every stupid thing any woman says anywhere, I have said they are responsible for a culture that gives women a protective bubble when they are threatening, mocking or assaulting men. Earlyer i said this

Danny Dyer was fired for joking that you could always stab a woman in the face so no one else would want her, A Toronto cop was recently reprimanded for telling women "not to dress like sluts" as it often attracts unwanted attention and in my previous post I mentioned Robert Swope who was fired from his newspaper for having the audacity to suggest that the government shouldnt be funding and the university shouldnt be supporting programs that encourage lesbian rape. In all three of these cases both mysogyny and the patriarchy were blamed.

These are three examples of all men being blamed for the actions of one. I also think there is some delicious irony in the concept that you are stating that this forum when the overwhealming numbers are saying "these women" and less than a dozen mentioned feminism, all the while you stand by saying only a vocal minority of women display anti-male bias. Yet virtually every government funded Womens Studies class and most womens shelters use the Mary Koss 1 in 4 rape statistic. This study found that based on a liberal defenition of rape 1 in 4 women at college would be raped. further investigation found that 3 out of 4 of those women outright dissagreed with the studies finding that they were raped, of the remaining 1 in 16 only 26% actually agreed that it was rape. This puts the statistic somewhere between 1 in 16 and 1 in 64 still high numbers but less sensationally high. (Link im talking about http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html )
The 1 in 4 statistic is however still used in programs across America to label male college students as "potential rapists" and to justify add campaigns that say the same about all men. If using fake statistics to paint all men as "potential rapists" and using them to justify the removal of due prosess from their trials isnt man hating I really dont know what is.

 

[TheFinalFantasyWolf]

(BTW, Just saying, I know not all abusers are male, but since the majority are, it has a negetive impact on the overall image of men.)

Actually every couple of years or so a major university does a study and usually finds that men are only the perpetrators of about 30%-40% of violence when it is non reciprocal, the earlyest being that of Erin Pizzey (i strongly reccomend reading her blog or at least her wiki page) who stated 62% of the women in her shelter were equally if not more violent than the men they left(ironically she got death threats largely from women for stating that women are just as capable of violence as men). the most recent that I have seen being a Harvard ( http://www.patientedu.org/aspx/HealthELibrary/HealthETopic.aspx?cid=M0907d ) people say that its worse when a man does it because they cause more damage, but men make up 40% of the injuries caused by domestic violence more often when women cause damage there partner is asleep or they use weapons "knoves are the great equalizer".
Despite this England has only 60 shelters for battered men registered with the government Canada only has 2 and the USA has zero, although some shelters will give out vouchers paying for part of a stay in a motel. All three countries have requirements that shelters receving government funds have to be gender neutral in there services by the way.
The "only men are violent mentality" has done wonders to promote a system of rehabilitation that demonises the man and calls the woman a helpless victim, even our public opinion when we see a woman assaulting a man is he must deserve it.

Interesting, but when I said abusers, I didn't just mean domestic violence, I meant people like rapists and child molesters aswell. Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough.

BTW, is your avatar a Solid Snake/Big Boss cat? It kinda reminds me of them.

 

[Vrex360]

ludicrous snip

Okay fine, you win. I'm really not up to arguing with a wall of text that size.

I will just say this though, I oppose this idea that 'women have it better now' or 'they use rape charges to manipulate men' because I've seen how people respond when they act under that mindset and for the most part they use it as a justification for old school misogyny.

 

[SnipErlite]

And that is pretty much why people do the things they do today. They don't think, they react, if they see something they don't like in a person, they'll react negatively, and with today's society so accepting of hatred and violence, sometimes people will react rather violently to situations like this. Sometimes, people will hate just for the sake of making someone else's life miserable (I know, I serve 74 of them on a route). But there's one thing that I believe everyone should come to realize.

HATE IS SOMETHING THAT IS TAUGHT, NOT BRED.

No one is born with hatred or anger already instilled in their brains, but like I said, society and the way we live our lives today quickly exposes children to violence and how "glorious" it is to slay another being that is of a different mindset than you.

Spoiler: This will pretty much sum up our world today.

On the contrary, if I see something I don't like in a person, say a view they hold or something they're affiliated with it doesn't bother me that much. Perhaps the quote I used from I have no mouth... was a little strong. That's not really the level of hate I feel for them (I've just been waiting to use that quote), as people I don't hate them. If I met one of them on the street I'd have no problem with them.

But when they're sitting around laughing about a horrific situation that's ruined someone's life in a painful and humiliating way - Giving no thought or empathy for the man's feelings, that bothers me.

 

[lucaf]

that was actually so bad. I mean, how the hell can they actually get away with making jokes about that? the man in the video was completely right, there is a huge double standard. if a woman files for divorce and her husband lays a finger on her in retaliation, he is (rightly) called a monster. but reverse the situation and it is a joke?

 

[silversnake4133]

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On the contrary, if I see something I don't like in a person, say a view they hold or something they're affiliated with it doesn't bother me that much. Perhaps the quote I used from I have no mouth... was a little strong. That's not really the level of hate I feel for them (I've just been waiting to use that quote), as people I don't hate them. If I met one of them on the street I'd have no problem with them.

But when they're sitting around laughing about a horrific situation that's ruined someone's life in a painful and humiliating way - Giving no thought or empathy for the man's feelings, that bothers me.

True, and while my generalizing doesn't hold water for some people, it really is quite accurate for a lot of people I see on a daily basis. But I guess it's just a natural reaction. Sometimes the disturbance people feel toward people is stronger than others, but all I'm saying is that today's society as a whole is a lot more violent than what it was just a few decades ago. However, on the flip side we as a society are a lot more tolerant of things such as the LGBT community, inter-racial families, and so on.

And yes, I completely agree with you on that. Those women were in the wrong to laugh and joke about something like that and I really feel sorry for that poor man while hoping that that wicked woman is locked away for a good long time. But television does weird things to people, and Sharon Osborne is no exception. Although, I did find it a bit odd that she was so strongly amused by the story, and how quickly she took to the woman's side of the matter since on her other show "America's Got Talent" she's usually the very sympathetic one.

 

[Lionsfan]

Oh hey, its you again.

Yeah I noticed that as soon as I replied, that's what great about the Escapist. Nobody has any hard feelings over debates

 

[Vault Girl]

I appreciate what Feminism has done, maybe i should have put "Modern Feminism". Its the fact that i've read that loads of women have agreed with the fact that the guy "deserved it". I believe that apart from ignorance, these women talk under the pretense of a feminist view point. I'll go back to my earlier comment about the hypocrisy of the "slap to get in the kitchen".

Really? A lot of women agreed with this? Can you provide some links? I thought people in general were disgusted by the behavior of the women on screen. If not, then I can partially understand your hatred for the "modern feminism", which is basically idiocy dragging the word through the mud.

On SKY news Andy Grey got sacked from SKY SPORTS NEWS because he suggested a women referee didn't understand the "offside rule" in Football.

These Women are laughing at the mutilation of a man. Feminism gave women the right to do a lot of things, but it is the false pretense of these women that give it a bad name.

Yeah, which is why I said freedom of speech doesn't go both ways. And yeah, the word feminism and feminism itself has been thoroughly damaged these last few years. The system is flawed and sexist itself, which is the reason stuff like this still happen. When it comes to the law, women do generally have more rights than the man and I don't see it changing any time soon. We'll just have to live with ridiculously stupid stuff like this.

Osbourne used to be on TV a lot in the UK until she shot her mouth of (much like she does in the video of The Talk) she's sort of blacklisted now which is probably why she's doing the show in the first place.

I'm starting to love the UK more and more because of stuff like this. Good to hear that at least the general UK population has the brains to see that the woman is a horrible and disgusting human being.

I'm talking about the majority of Women that the producers and presenters of the show are aiming at. Working class/stay at home mothers/ Middle class women who will see the show for a number of reasons are more inclined to take on board something these women say. I'm a media studies student (a wide variety of media) and we studied out own version of the show, which i'm going to use as an example. "Loose Women" is the UK can be equated to "The Talk" show in America. These shows are specifically designed to cater almost exclusively to women.

The women are talking about something that is taboo but is mostly used in jest or passing. the "If my husband/boyfriend cheated on me i would"... scenario (which as an equal to the "if my wife/girlfriend ever cheated" scenario)

We've all almost been in the scenario where someone has said something like this. All the women on that show are doing (about 3 of them at least) are applying this actual physical event and are joking about it in front of a majority audience of women who are more inclined to accept their views.


I'll say right now that i am NOT speaking for women everywhere, only highlighting that these women are paid to entice a majority target audience in to watching their show. This target audience happens to be a select group of women. In terms of media these women can be suggested as having an effect on feminism. they are celebrated (and i wonder why with this behaviour) people, are probably well known, many women see them as role models or follow them in some way (fashion, opinion)

This is how feminism is being damaged, these women are SEEN as speaking for women everywhere (at least this show specifically in the USA. Look at the reaction. what they speak has major consequences on the group they represent.

I commend the women second on the left (and to an extent the one on the far left) for saying that it is sexist and it is wrong to laugh at. in general and in passing it may be somewhat funny (i find some sexist jokes against women funny) specifically because they are not backed up by the opinion of the speaker. But to be so careless about a real, specific attack on a guy is not really funny at all.


I'm not going to make this sound completely serious.

Comedians will probably make jokes but that's a different concept.

 

[BRex21]

ludicrous snip

Okay fine, you win. I'm really not up to arguing with a wall of text that size.

I will just say this though, I oppose this idea that 'women have it better now' or 'they use rape charges to manipulate men' because I've seen how people respond when they act under that mindset and for the most part they use it as a justification for old school misogyny.

Here are the bullet points then:

- Your examples stated were either incorrect or blown out of proportion to the point that I have to assume you got them from a game of telephone rather than reading them yourself.

- You are complaining that the people of this forum are blaming feminism for the actions of individual girls saying hatefull things yet you are ignoring that only a small portion of people said it while stating that radical feminists make up only a handfull of the population and therefore should be ignored.

-You said men never get blamed en masse for the actions of a single man and I pointed to the arguments against the Patriarchy.

-You accused me of quoting radical feminists, but i pointed out that i had only quoted large feminist groups who receve federal funding and could still point out extreme examples of hate speech.

-I pointed out fearmongering in the rhetoric that virtually all feminist organizations use and how it is used to launch hatefull campaigns against men.

My problem isnt that one gender "has it better" than the other its more that one gender has virtually all the support. Men are 5 times as likely to commit suicide yet there are more programs to support depressed women than men. Men are more likely to live in poverty but there are more programs to support women when it happens to them. Men are less likely to go to university yet there are more scolarships and support programs for women. Yet women in power are usually quick to dismiss this while proudly displaying the male privilage checklist.

 

[InsomniJack]

Julie Chen hosts Big Brother.

I think that's more than enough punishment for her.

 

[Catie Caraco]

Cutting off a man's penis is almost the worst thing that can be done to them (ask any man if they would rather lose an arm or a leg instead). It is no joking matter, and I would bet every man feel sympathy for the victim. They have a right to say such things, but the consequences should be harsh as well.

Agree. Freedom comes with responsibility, it's not a blank check to leave decency at the door. The women on that show should be disgusted with themselves, and the victim of that crime should sue their pants off of them. This is blaming the victim, and don't women always cry foul when that happens to one of us?

As a woman, I can not think of anything a man could do to me bar rape that would make me want to cut his privates off. That's just sick. If it was used as a weapon to hurt me, via rape, then I can understand it. But I wouldn't cut it off because of an affair, I'd just leave him. And as for the reason stated, getting a divorce, are you kidding me? Part of me wants to make a video game Overkill joke, but most of me thinks that would be crass, so make one up in your own mind.

 

[Rad Party God]

That was certainly a dick move.

In all seriousness... ouch... even my little friend was afraid of reading about this horrible woman.

 

[JochemDude]

Good I lost my faith in humanity ages ago.

If I were him I would cut her fucking head off.

 

[Mxrz]

Wow. Oversensitive much? "SUE SUE SUE" Good grief.

Plenty of crap is going on in the world today, most worse than this. Much it it will be the subject of someone's poor taste or choice in words at some point. But I don't see a million threads being made about those. So I guess i'm suppose to share in the outrage because this involves a tallywacker, and isn't justifiable by the usual Internet-Tough-Guy-Standards. But no, I still don't rightly care any more about this than any of the other unconnected violence that goes on in the world, wingwang or no.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Oh hey, its you again.

Yeah I noticed that as soon as I replied, that's what great about the Escapist. Nobody has any hard feelings over debates

Well, no, you ujust provided a logical one. So couldnt really have hard feelings.

 

[prince_xedar]

Now I'm sure that some of you have heard about the Catherine Kieu incident. And if you don't then it goes a little like this: Catherine Kieu cut off her husbands dick after they had an argument. Her husband filed for divorce in May and they had a fight about friends staying over the day prior to the whole dick cutting. She complained that friends of his were staying in the house he owned, so she drugged his food, tied him to their bed, cut of his dick and just to add insult to injury she threw it in the garbage disposal.


Now a few days later on "The Talk" the women that hosted the show that day talked about she was in the right for cutting off her mans dick and even laughed about the whole thing. Not only is it disgusting but quite frankly something that should not be broadcast on television.

I know that the world is a harsh place and that life is no yellow brick road, but this is shit that should not be fucking happening. I find it funny how humanity has prospered for so long with shit like this going. I would have expected us all to have killed each other long ago.

Now Escapists, what is your opinion on the matter, and do you think that women on "The Talk" should be punished in some way, no matter how major or minor.[footnote]And before someone goes on a rant about freedom of speech I only have one thing to say, is common decency not a little more important than freedom of speech.[/footnote]

I love how this world is so feminized that Females can talk about the mutilation of Male genitals on TV and noone says a thing, but God Forbid, if a male talked about the mutilation of Female genitals the way they did, NOPE.JPEG They would be out of a job quicker then a hooker would be out of church

 

[SnipErlite]

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True, and while my generalizing doesn't hold water for some people, it really is quite accurate for a lot of people I see on a daily basis. But I guess it's just a natural reaction. Sometimes the disturbance people feel toward people is stronger than others, but all I'm saying is that today's society as a whole is a lot more violent than what it was just a few decades ago. However, on the flip side we as a society are a lot more tolerant of things such as the LGBT community, inter-racial families, and so on.

And yes, I completely agree with you on that. Those women were in the wrong to laugh and joke about something like that and I really feel sorry for that poor man while hoping that that wicked woman is locked away for a good long time. But television does weird things to people, and Sharon Osborne is no exception. Although, I did find it a bit odd that she was so strongly amused by the story, and how quickly she took to the woman's side of the matter since on her other show "America's Got Talent" she's usually the very sympathetic one.[/quote]

Yeah, people don't usually want to bother to find out about something. Although I'm not surprised....any new and unexpected, especially slightly horrifying situation, the first reaction is to act instinctively and go with your emotions. Rational thought comes afterwards.....doesn't change that this is disgusting, but there we go.

 

[SpaceBat]

Oh don't worry guys, I'm sure they're being ironic.
After all, that's what we always say whenever an Australian critic starts calling rape by men against women as 'a natural thing', or whenever a game like Duke Nukem Forever depicts graphic depictions of rape and forced impregnation while encouraging us to laugh at it.
Yes sir, whenever WE do something sexist, it's not a bad thing. It's ironic, but when women do it, it's obviously due to them being evil and hateful witches of the west... right?

Haha, I love it when people say stuff like this. You must have been gone during the time that people complained their asses off about that DNF level or whenever people RIGHTFULLY complain about men throwing out sexist or just downright disgusting comments. I love it how people just ignore everything that goes against their argument and still claim that their comments aren't filled with delusional dribble. Sexist comments in basically every media is always discussed and complained about to hell and back, regardless of the gender of the culprit. It has always been this way and I honestly don't understand why people just keep ignoring this fact.

Another thing, does DNF have to do with anything here? While basically everyone and their moms believe that DNF is an unfunny, disgusting, unwitty piece of shit and is not the place to look for political correctness (Seeing as the Duke is supposed to be a sexist douchebag), this is about women cracking jokes about male mutilation on a popular TV show. It's like complaining that one of the awful scary movie films makes a joke about rape or murder or is plain sexist.

That said, I don't think that is what the majority of this thread has been about up until now.

Uh, wait what? I honestly don't get you people. You do realize that the sentence above just completely contradicts what Zefi was talking about, right? You do get that, while what she says isn't completely flawed (See section of my comment above to see why), her entire post was about ESCAPISTS HERE ON THIS THREAD!? There is barely any sexism in this thread and out of the hundreds of people, only three or so have blamed feminism (one of them being a girl) and most have been shot down immediately. Is such sexism not present in general? Of course it is in high numbers. Both genders are filled with tons of sexist people who say tons of sexist stuff, but.not.fucking.here.

I'm going to repeat this once more, though, since people can't seem to get this through their thick skulls: Sexist comments of both sides are often discussed and complained about. This isn't only happening on one side as you and Zefi are claiming for some reason. NONE OF THE GENDERS ARE DELIBERATELY IGNORED WHEN SHOUTING SEXIST COMMENTS.


NOTE: I do agree with you when you say that people should stop blaming feminism as a whole, seeing as feminism was and should be about equal rights for women, I also agree that many feminists should stop ignoring the vocal, radical psycho people within their movement and try to fight any kind of inequality, instead of ignoring the ones that are beneficial to women, because it's really harming the word and the movement.

Snip.

I commend the women second on the left (and to an extent the one on the far left) for saying that it is sexist and it is wrong to laugh at. in general and in passing it may be somewhat funny (i find some sexist jokes against women funny) specifically because they are not backed up by the opinion of the speaker. But to be so careless about a real, specific attack on a guy is not really funny at all.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said there and I completely understand. The main reason I commented on your post was because at first I thought you were lumping every single feminist into the same group.
I did notice one certain sentence that piqued my curiousity however...Are you saying you find some general, harmless, sexist jokes against women funny, but not jokes against men? Or did you mean in general?