A sad day for humanity or at least the public image of these women.

[BRex21]

Earlier in this thread I pointed out The Vagina Monologues. In this a 13 year old girl is plied with alcohol by at 24 year old in order to entice her into sex. They go on to say this is a good thing. Feminists celebrate this literature and the government funds its performance all across The USA, Canada and the E.U.. Thats right government funded mainstream feminits celebrate the rape of a young girl at the hands of an older woman and heres the really funny part: JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN FIRED FOR POINTING THIS OUT! Thats right, while women are allowed to casually mock a man for being the victim of brutal abuse, torture and mutilation at the hands of his wife on television, men have been punished for having the audacity to denounce the celebration of lesbian rape. This is the fallout of the Feminist movement and calling these things commendable is quite wrong.

I..wait...what?
Are you serious? I'm shocked, to be quite honest.

I am dead serious
A quick Wiki search points to Robert Swope , he wrote an article Applauding Rape at Georgetown, the article was never printed and when he complained he was fired. He is not alone in this however he is the best documented. I do not believe any mainstream news outlet has ever commented on this story.
If you ask, how many feminists would be in favor of raping young girls so they never need to rely on men? Yet how many are willing to speak out against the use of their own funds to spread propoganda to support it? I am aware this is off topic and perhaps the Bobbit case is more on tangent, She cut off her husbands penis stating that he was abusive and/or "He always have orgasm , and he doesn't wait for me to have orgasm. He's selfish." Feminist groups of course supported her shouting in the streets that if she was convicted they would castrate 100 innocent men. No mainstream feminist organization has ever come out and denounced this and to this day genital mutilation is still a frequent threat of even from mainstream feminists. The majority may not be out there shouting for it but by virtue of raising funds and remaining silent they are supporting it.

 

[darthmason0719]

DAAAAHHH FUUUUUUCK
THAT HURT ME

 

[FalloutJack]

We need a term for this sort of thing. Would it be fair to call it a Bobbitization?

 

[Vrex360]

Oh don't worry guys, I'm sure they're being ironic.
After all, that's what we always say whenever an Australian critic starts calling rape by men against women as 'a natural thing', or whenever a game like Duke Nukem Forever depicts graphic depictions of rape and forced impregnation while encouraging us to laugh at it.
Yes sir, whenever WE do something sexist, it's not a bad thing. It's ironic, but when women do it, it's obviously due to them being evil and hateful witches of the west... right?

Okay but seriously, this is vile. A man was mutilated for no justfifiable reason and to mock it and take sides with the person who did it is just insane. This woman clearly has actual mental issues, she has to, and to justify what she did to any degree is insane. What happened was criminal and deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law. I don't see why she deserves to get away with it, and I don't understand why people can be so cold that they would celebrate it to the degree these women are in that video.

I absolutely think that attitude is sexist, to pretend like what happened is somehow justfied or should get a light sentance is absurd. He didn't deserve what he got and I wish that some people would be able to show a little bit of humanity about this issue.
For what it's worth though, morning shows like this one really aren't the best choice to cover issues like this, as they are always going to aim for the lowest possible demographic of viewer, in this case shallow women, as well as try to make every issue into a joke even though some deserve a little more respect then that.

For what it's worth, in addition to stuff like this against men I've seen a lot, and I mean a LOT, of articles written by men like Bob Ellis who actually tried to argue that feminism was a bad thing because it resulted in the arrest of 'good men' who had only been involved in the minor crime of rape.
With all this in mind, I wonder if there really is ever a point where we actually grew up past the 'ewww boys' and 'no girls in the treehouse' mentality we had when we were kids.

 

[Vrex360]

It's funny. If a man does something wrong, everyone here would jump and point out that's his individual fault, not that of all men.

If a woman does, everyone here jumps blaming it on feminism and women in general. This is saying a lot about how sexism is still around: And as usual, the scorn is reserved for bashing women wanting equality. Every excuse is immediately used to bash feminism, because insecure people just can't stand women getting equal rights - which we're still far away from.

THIS, my friends, is a double standard. Classic case.



The claim that "men saying similar would get fired instantly" is insane. Men say something similar every day, on Fox News, for example. It's called rape apologism, and is so common, most of you don't even notice it anymore. That's the fun part about the outrage in this thread.
Men make similar comments every day and nobody gives a shit except those icky feminists you hate so much.

The women here were out of line (mocking people that were brutally savaged is NEVER FUNNY, it's total douchebag behavior), but it's saying a lot that people only complain when women act like this, and think it's totally okay when men are making jokes about women being gangraped and killed.
Why do those men deserve no punishment? Why is it only bad if a man is a victim?

It should be bad in BOTH cases. Why are you hypocrits only complaining about this when it's a male victim?

Thank you, thank you so much. You said it better then I could.

I get so sick of people using stuff like this to badmouth feminism and women as a whole, while never applying the same judgements whenever men say or do similar stuff.

That said, I don't think that is what the majority of this thread has been about up until now.

 

[Vrex360]

As a woman, I'd like to say. WTF?!

This is disgusting, they are mocking a persons suffering. This is a human being who derserved no such torture and was mutilated.

Why is it that there is always mysogynistic, perverted, abusers that make decent and good men look bad, and stupid, femininstic, man hating bitches that take more control rather than equality, and end up making decent women look bad. Everyone is so unbalanced that we end up with some ridiculous double standards.

I'm so sick of it. Everything is just so stuffed up.

(BTW, Just saying, I know not all abusers are male, but since the majority are, it has a negetive impact on the overall image of men.)

Well that's the problem, the crazy gender biased crazy people typically get more attention in the mainstream media, so people see insane representations of either gender of television and assume everyone of that gender is like that.

 

[BRex21]

Oh don't worry guys, I'm sure they're being ironic.
After all, that's what we always say whenever an Australian critic starts calling rape by men against women as 'a natural thing', or whenever a game like Duke Nukem Forever depicts graphic depictions of rape and forced impregnation while encouraging us to laugh at it.
Yes sir, whenever WE do something sexist, it's not a bad thing. It's ironic, but when women do it, it's obviously due to them being evil and hateful witches of the west... right?

Okay but seriously, this is vile. A man was mutilated for no justfifiable reason and to mock it and take sides with the person who did it is just insane. This woman clearly has actual mental issues, she has to, and to justify what she did to any degree is insane. What happened was criminal and deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law. I don't see why she deserves to get away with it, and I don't understand why people can be so cold that they would celebrate it to the degree these women are in that video.

I absolutely think that attitude is sexist, to pretend like what happened is somehow justfied or should get a light sentance is absurd. He didn't deserve what he got and I wish that some people would be able to show a little bit of humanity about this issue.
For what it's worth though, morning shows like this one really aren't the best choice to cover issues like this, as they are always going to aim for the lowest possible demographic of viewer, in this case shallow women, as well as try to make every issue into a joke even though some deserve a little more respect then that.

For what it's worth, in addition to stuff like this against men I've seen a lot, and I mean a LOT, of articles written by men like Bob Ellis who actually tried to argue that feminism was a bad thing because it resulted in the arrest of 'good men' who had only been involved in the minor crime of rape.
With all this in mind, I wonder if there really is ever a point where we actually grew up past the 'ewww boys' and 'no girls in the treehouse' mentality we had when we were kids.

There is a big difference between showing a fictional scenario in depicting violence towards women, and mocking an actual innocent person who was brutally mutilated for wanting to invite friends into his own home and stating that he deserved it. Also, is there ANY critic who didn't see Duke Nukem for the disgusting piece of trash it is. I am going to issue you the same challence I did to zefichan who you quoted. Show me where all these people are saying horrible things about women who arent at least being trashed in the mainstream media if not being outright fired.
I will stop blaming feminists for womens unpunished behavior like this when feminists actually stand up against this kind of bias in there ranks.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

No, I'd suggest we're hoping she gets her ability to be paid to spout said opinion to millions

So she should keep her job and get payed as long as her opinion conforms with your ideas of morality? Sorry, that's not freedom of speech.

Freedom of Speech means the government cannot censor you/punish you for your speech.

If CBS wants to fire them because enough people complained that would not be violating their free speech.

It's just that simple.

We're talking about freedom of speech as a fundamental human right, not a law.

 

[CaptainKoala]

Dude... what the fuck?

Holy shit that is just... fuck man I don't even know. I hope the girl gets fucking destroyed in the courts. You get pissed friends staying over(or whatever) so you cut off his dick? Holy shit that's messed up.

And then there's those women are essentially joking about the whole thing. And some Women are actually defending this person.

What. The. Fuck.

My thought exactly. What if the roles were reversed, and the man drugged her and then mutilated her vagina? Do I even DARE imagine what would happen if somebody made fun of it on a talk show? The fallout would be unbelievable. Feminist's double standards at they're finest, folks.

 

[Vrex360]

I am going to issue you the same challence I did to zefichan who you quoted. Show me where all these people are saying horrible things about women who arent at least being trashed in the mainstream media if not being outright fired.

Off the top of my head, I can think of three.

1. Charlie Sheen
Beats and abuses almost every woman he's with, shot one in the arm at one point after a heated argument (which I still think is attempted murder) and despite women coming forth often, telling people what an insane misogynist pig of a human being he is, he remains one of the most well paid and successful actors on television.
There are even some men who say that he's 'living every man's dream'.

2. Bob Ellis
An Australian film critic who made an article detailing how good decent men are getting arrested for rape. Note he is not talking about men who were actually accused of rape, he's talking about men who very much DID commit acts of rape. He undermined the severity of the crimes these men had committed and put blame on the women who got those men punished.
Sure he got a lot of negativity, as have the women on this show clearly, but he wasn't fired.

3. The guy who writes Dilbert
Made a post about how rape is a natural thing and it should be every man's right to do it and that it was cruel that women were allowed their natural right to avoid being raped but men weren't allowed to continue the acts of rape.
He ultimatley had to delete the post he'd made, but he wasn't fired.

Plus, for every psycho feminist blog out there, there are at least a couple of male written blogs that talk about how society is crumbling apart because women are allowed to vote.
Point is, this stuff does exist and it's so in your face in our society to this day... and yet we never get as outraged and we NEVER blame males as a whole whenever it surfaces up. We are also far more likely to use words like 'ironic' to justify that to ourselves.

I will stop blaming feminists for womens unpunished behavior like this when feminists actually stand up against this kind of bias in there ranks.

Zefichan was right, the second four obnoxious women talk shit on a talk show, we go ahead and blame feminism for it. We blame women as a whole and charge them all as being equally resonsible and immediatley put the blame on the women who work tireless hours to fight for equal rights.
There a many different types of feminist out there, it isn't all one single movement with one head like so many people think there are. Are there some people who try to make life easier for women? Yes.
But there are also feminists out there who do a lot of good for this world. And I'm sick of seeing people like you lump them together with the crazies. Both of my sisters are feminists and they don't adhere to ANY of the stereotypes people keep pushing on them, in fact virtually all the girls and women I know are femininists and NONE of them adhere to those stereotypes.

But obviously, four women on a show agree with the actions of a crazy woman, hence they ALL must agree and it must be part of some evil conspiracy to use feminism to turn men into slaves.

Why can they never just be assholes on their own individual merits? Why do we always have to say:
Feminism has allowed them to do it!
As though they are Lex Luthor or something. Like they are a small part of some kind of conspiracy much bigger then themselves that threatens to tear the very fabric of reality apart.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

No, I'd suggest we're hoping she gets her ability to be paid to spout said opinion to millions

So she should keep her job and get payed as long as her opinion conforms with your ideas of morality? Sorry, that's not freedom of speech.

Freedom of Speech means the government cannot censor you/punish you for your speech.

If CBS wants to fire them because enough people complained that would not be violating their free speech.

It's just that simple.

We're talking about freedom of speech as a fundamental human right, not a law.

Getting to be on a talk show is not a fundamental human right.

Look, I've been through all of this before with a different poster. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Vrex360]

He's been fired.

Yeah, for drug addiction. Not really the same thing.

Searching Bob Ellis and rape gives me nothing.

Fair enough, I should have given you the title.
http://benpobjie.blogspot.com/2011/07/has-feminism-gone-too-far.html

Bull Shit. He said men should be punished for rape and called it a bad thing.

Maybe I read it wrong, but I doubt that statement would have spawned the hostile reaction it did.

I want a source for that ratio.

Look up 'mens rights' or 'the patriarchy is a lie' or 'the evils of feminism'. I've found all this stuff,if I found it, it shouldn't be hard for you.

Most people on this thread have not been blaming feminism

True, but you have.

Do us a favor, either cut the straw men or don't bother posting.

This coming from the guy who connected an international movement with people being assholes on a television studio.

EDIT: Also I just realized I have to get going soon to go have lunch with my sisters in the city. So if you feel like continuing this debate, please wait a few hours and I'll get back to you when I can.
Also I apologize if I ever came across as mean or personal in this debate, I don't like making arguments hostile, so if it's alright with you, when I get back I'd like to try to keep this at an intellectual level. Not an emotional one.

 

[BRex21]

(BTW, Just saying, I know not all abusers are male, but since the majority are, it has a negetive impact on the overall image of men.)

Actually every couple of years or so a major university does a study and usually finds that men are only the perpetrators of about 30%-40% of violence when it is non reciprocal, the earlyest being that of Erin Pizzey (i strongly reccomend reading her blog or at least her wiki page) who stated 62% of the women in her shelter were equally if not more violent than the men they left(ironically she got death threats largely from women for stating that women are just as capable of violence as men). the most recent that I have seen being a Harvard ( http://www.patientedu.org/aspx/HealthELibrary/HealthETopic.aspx?cid=M0907d ) people say that its worse when a man does it because they cause more damage, but men make up 40% of the injuries caused by domestic violence more often when women cause damage there partner is asleep or they use weapons "knoves are the great equalizer".
Despite this England has only 60 shelters for battered men registered with the government Canada only has 2 and the USA has zero, although some shelters will give out vouchers paying for part of a stay in a motel. All three countries have requirements that shelters receving government funds have to be gender neutral in there services by the way.
The "only men are violent mentality" has done wonders to promote a system of rehabilitation that demonises the man and calls the woman a helpless victim, even our public opinion when we see a woman assaulting a man is he must deserve it.

 

[Vrex360]

He compared women to 4 year olds or something like that, which is bad but he never said rape was OK.

Okay, fair enough. Sorry, I should have tried to read the article before I used it as an argument.
All the same, that's still not a particularly good thing to say.

And I can probably find tons of radical feminist blogs. It'd be pretty hard to find a ratio. Now that I think about I'm not sure it matters.

It's true that it's impossible to find an estimate number of radical posts of either gender. But my point was more that while we frequently bring up psycho feminist blogs, no one ever seems to think to mention the other ones written by men.

Where?

Oh shit, I'm so sorry. I thought you were the guy who originally posted the first response to my argument.
Sorry, I should have been paying more attention.