A sense of dread shrouds Nintendo?s Wii U

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People are over gimmicky motion controls and want a real traditional controller.

Doesn't help that the WiiU is basically brand new out of the box with 7 year old hardware.

I certainly have zero interest in the thing. My Wii has been collecting dust in a box for 2 years.
 

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I don't understand how you can't get this.
WiiU isn't doing better than the Xbox360, PS3, Wii, and 3Ds because it has a smaller library of games, costs more, and still has time to prove itself.
WiiU is still doing better as of now than any of those others have when they were just released.
Comparatively, the WiiU is doing better at this stage of it's release than any of the others.

Also, stop taking a price drop and acting like that is somehow a badge of failure, it's basic economics.
Release something at X price, Y people think it is worth that price and over a course of time will buy it. Once the number of sales starts to slip, a drop in the price will stimulate sales again for people who wanted it, but not at that price, thus boosting sales again.
 

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Crono1973 said:
The latest Wii U sales numbers are out from Japan, the United States and the United Kingdom ? and unease is deepening. In Japan, Famitsu Magazine reported Wii U weekly sales slipping to 70,000 units from 76,000 units during the important period ending in January 6. This is the week many Japanese teenagers spend their New Year?s money and sales of consoles tend to bounce. During the week, the portable 3DS sold 305,000 units, up sharply from the already impressive 266,000 units in the previous week. The seven-year-old Sony (SNE) PlayStation 3 managed to increase its sales to 64,000 units from 54,000 units. The equally ancient PSP climbed to 53,000 from 34,000. Even the star-crossed PS Vita managed to vault to 31,000 from 18,000.

http://news.yahoo.com/sense-dread-shrouds-nintendo-wii-u-191856697.html

WiiU just isn't the Wii. When the 7 year old PS3 sells almost as many systems as a launch system it's not good.

So what is it with the WiiU that just isn't attracting buyers?
It's a success. Deal with it. Yes it isn't smashing sales records like the original Wii, but it is meeting Nintendo's Sales expectations and it is a profitable console for them. We get it, you hate Nintendo and want them to fail out of some bizarre nostalgic hate cause you were a Sega kid or think Sony is the greatest thing ever or all you play is Gears of War and think Xbox should be enshrined as pope or you're just some PC snob who wants all consoles to fail period. It's not happening, not any time soon anyway, get over it.
 

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Radoh said:
I don't understand how you can't get this.
WiiU isn't doing better than the Xbox360, PS3, Wii, and 3Ds because it has a smaller library of games, costs more, and still has time to prove itself.
WiiU is still doing better as of now than any of those others have when they were just released.
Comparatively, the WiiU is doing better at this stage of it's release than any of the others.

Also, stop taking a price drop and acting like that is somehow a badge of failure, it's basic economics.
Release something at X price, Y people think it is worth that price and over a course of time will buy it. Once the number of sales starts to slip, a drop in the price will stimulate sales again for people who wanted it, but not at that price, thus boosting sales again.
So it begins. If a price drop is coming the excuses are ready to go.

What do you think of the price drop of the 3DS, less than 6 months after release said about it? It told me that it wasn't selling well at the launch price.
 

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I personally don't see anything worth it with the WiiU, second screen never made sense to me in gaming, it's never something that was required or made sense enough to have a second screen. The memory included is insufficient, I don't know why they think 32gb is premium when even the PS3 at launch had 80gb, now everything has 250-500 so...that's just sort of lame.
All the games it's getting seem to be ports at full 60 dollar price which is another thing that puts me off, the nail in the coffin would be I have 8 Wii games, maybe 3 of which I only really enjoy and it's rarely ever used even by friends.

This is probably the first console in a while that I'm going to avoid getting at any stage.
 

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Zenn3k said:
People are over gimmicky motion controls and want a real traditional controller.

Doesn't help that the WiiU is basically brand new out of the box with 7 year old hardware.

I certainly have zero interest in the thing. My Wii has been collecting dust in a box for 2 years.
I'm with this guy. I can't really speak to the overall sales of the WiiU but I know I'm not buying one thanks to the zero interesting non-port games available at this time and the horrible controler that left my hands in a tiny bit of pain in just the time it took to finish the Rayman demo at Gamestop, A demo that was enjoyable right up until it decided I was having too much fun and forced into a section where all you do is occasionally jab at the pad to move platforms while the game plays itself, thus confirming my suspicions about the pad. Also people are saying the the 3DS is selling well now, how did this happen? the library is still what I would charitably call "Slim pickings" with most of the most promising titles still a month or two off.
 

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Sylveria said:
Crono1973 said:
The latest Wii U sales numbers are out from Japan, the United States and the United Kingdom ? and unease is deepening. In Japan, Famitsu Magazine reported Wii U weekly sales slipping to 70,000 units from 76,000 units during the important period ending in January 6. This is the week many Japanese teenagers spend their New Year?s money and sales of consoles tend to bounce. During the week, the portable 3DS sold 305,000 units, up sharply from the already impressive 266,000 units in the previous week. The seven-year-old Sony (SNE) PlayStation 3 managed to increase its sales to 64,000 units from 54,000 units. The equally ancient PSP climbed to 53,000 from 34,000. Even the star-crossed PS Vita managed to vault to 31,000 from 18,000.

http://news.yahoo.com/sense-dread-shrouds-nintendo-wii-u-191856697.html

WiiU just isn't the Wii. When the 7 year old PS3 sells almost as many systems as a launch system it's not good.

So what is it with the WiiU that just isn't attracting buyers?
It's a success. Deal with it. Yes it isn't smashing sales records like the original Wii, but it is meeting Nintendo's Sales expectations and it is a profitable console for them. We get it, you hate Nintendo and want them to fail out of some bizarre nostalgic hate cause you were a Sega kid or think Sony is the greatest thing ever or all you play is Gears of War and think Xbox should be enshrined as pope or you're just some PC snob who wants all consoles to fail period. It's not happening, not any time soon anyway, get over it.
No, you don't "get it".

I just turned off my SNES where I was playing A Link to the Past to try out the Fire Emblem demo on my 3DS. Now I am playing Ocarina of Time on my 3DS. I don't even own a Sega console but I do also love my PS2, PS3 and PSP.

I don't want the WiiU to fail and ultimately I don't think it will (compared to it's competition, though I think consoles are in decline). I just don't think it had a good launch. I think Nintendo is stubborn though, they made it look like the Wii, they named it like the Wii and they wonder why people are confused about what it is.
 

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Crono1973 said:
Radoh said:
I don't understand how you can't get this.
WiiU isn't doing better than the Xbox360, PS3, Wii, and 3Ds because it has a smaller library of games, costs more, and still has time to prove itself.
WiiU is still doing better as of now than any of those others have when they were just released.
Comparatively, the WiiU is doing better at this stage of it's release than any of the others.

Also, stop taking a price drop and acting like that is somehow a badge of failure, it's basic economics.
Release something at X price, Y people think it is worth that price and over a course of time will buy it. Once the number of sales starts to slip, a drop in the price will stimulate sales again for people who wanted it, but not at that price, thus boosting sales again.
So it begins. If a price drop is coming the excuses are ready to go.

What do you think the price drop of the 3DS, less than 6 months after release said about it? It told me that it wasn't selling well at the launch price.
Okay, I see where this is going, I choose to head it off here.
You don't understand basic economics, I'm not making "excuses", I'm "explaining" to you what this is.
How it did at launch is (get ready for this)
*drum roll*
Completely irrelevant.
It's selling like hotcakes, it's outperforming any other portable system and Full blown consoles.
What it means is Nintendo miscalculated what people were willing to pay for it at launch.

Because after all, apparently it doesn't matter how many trucks full of money it's making them, all that matters is how much they made at the very start of it's release, that's why Sony went under after they sold almost no PSthrees after it's release.
Oh wait, that didn't happen.
 

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Radoh said:
Crono1973 said:
Radoh said:
I don't understand how you can't get this.
WiiU isn't doing better than the Xbox360, PS3, Wii, and 3Ds because it has a smaller library of games, costs more, and still has time to prove itself.
WiiU is still doing better as of now than any of those others have when they were just released.
Comparatively, the WiiU is doing better at this stage of it's release than any of the others.

Also, stop taking a price drop and acting like that is somehow a badge of failure, it's basic economics.
Release something at X price, Y people think it is worth that price and over a course of time will buy it. Once the number of sales starts to slip, a drop in the price will stimulate sales again for people who wanted it, but not at that price, thus boosting sales again.
So it begins. If a price drop is coming the excuses are ready to go.

What do you think the price drop of the 3DS, less than 6 months after release said about it? It told me that it wasn't selling well at the launch price.
Okay, I see where this is going, I choose to head it off here.
You don't understand basic economics, I'm not making "excuses", I'm "explaining" to you what this is.
How it did at launch is (get ready for this)
*drum roll*
Completely irrelevant.
It's selling like hotcakes, it's outperforming any other portable system and Full blown consoles.
What it means is Nintendo miscalculated what people were willing to pay for it at launch.

Because after all, apparently it doesn't matter how many trucks full of money it's making them, all that matters is how much they made at the very start of it's release, that's why Sony went under after they sold almost no PSthrees after it's release.
Oh wait, that didn't happen.
So, if they miscalculated what people are willing to pay and a price drop is required then doesn't that mean that it isn't selling well at it's launch price?
 

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Crono1973 said:
Radoh said:
Crono1973 said:
Radoh said:
I don't understand how you can't get this.
WiiU isn't doing better than the Xbox360, PS3, Wii, and 3Ds because it has a smaller library of games, costs more, and still has time to prove itself.
WiiU is still doing better as of now than any of those others have when they were just released.
Comparatively, the WiiU is doing better at this stage of it's release than any of the others.

Also, stop taking a price drop and acting like that is somehow a badge of failure, it's basic economics.
Release something at X price, Y people think it is worth that price and over a course of time will buy it. Once the number of sales starts to slip, a drop in the price will stimulate sales again for people who wanted it, but not at that price, thus boosting sales again.
So it begins. If a price drop is coming the excuses are ready to go.

What do you think the price drop of the 3DS, less than 6 months after release said about it? It told me that it wasn't selling well at the launch price.
Okay, I see where this is going, I choose to head it off here.
You don't understand basic economics, I'm not making "excuses", I'm "explaining" to you what this is.
How it did at launch is (get ready for this)
*drum roll*
Completely irrelevant.
It's selling like hotcakes, it's outperforming any other portable system and Full blown consoles.
What it means is Nintendo miscalculated what people were willing to pay for it at launch.

Because after all, apparently it doesn't matter how many trucks full of money it's making them, all that matters is how much they made at the very start of it's release, that's why Sony went under after they sold almost no PSthrees after it's release.
Oh wait, that didn't happen.
So, if they miscalculated what people are willing to pay and a price drop is required then doesn't that mean that it isn't selling well at it's launch price?
You know what? I think you may have missed part of my response, so I'll go ahead and quote it for you since you can't seem to wrap your head around this.
How it did at launch is (get ready for this)
*drum roll*
Completely irrelevant.
It's selling like hotcakes, it's outperforming any other portable system and Full blown consoles.
What it means is Nintendo miscalculated what people were willing to pay for it at launch.
First days are irrelevant if they contradict the rest of the sales:
If successful at release but tanks thereafter it is still a failure.
If unsuccessful at release but it outperforms EVERYTHING ELSE then it is a success.
I swear, you're acting like any movie that doesn't start with a shootout, explosion, or car chase then it isn't a good movie.

But enough about my points, let's get back to yours.
Why is it not a success if it is making truckloads of dosh? Do explain.
 

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Radoh said:
Crono1973 said:
Radoh said:
Crono1973 said:
Radoh said:
I don't understand how you can't get this.
WiiU isn't doing better than the Xbox360, PS3, Wii, and 3Ds because it has a smaller library of games, costs more, and still has time to prove itself.
WiiU is still doing better as of now than any of those others have when they were just released.
Comparatively, the WiiU is doing better at this stage of it's release than any of the others.

Also, stop taking a price drop and acting like that is somehow a badge of failure, it's basic economics.
Release something at X price, Y people think it is worth that price and over a course of time will buy it. Once the number of sales starts to slip, a drop in the price will stimulate sales again for people who wanted it, but not at that price, thus boosting sales again.
So it begins. If a price drop is coming the excuses are ready to go.

What do you think the price drop of the 3DS, less than 6 months after release said about it? It told me that it wasn't selling well at the launch price.
Okay, I see where this is going, I choose to head it off here.
You don't understand basic economics, I'm not making "excuses", I'm "explaining" to you what this is.
How it did at launch is (get ready for this)
*drum roll*
Completely irrelevant.
It's selling like hotcakes, it's outperforming any other portable system and Full blown consoles.
What it means is Nintendo miscalculated what people were willing to pay for it at launch.

Because after all, apparently it doesn't matter how many trucks full of money it's making them, all that matters is how much they made at the very start of it's release, that's why Sony went under after they sold almost no PSthrees after it's release.
Oh wait, that didn't happen.
So, if they miscalculated what people are willing to pay and a price drop is required then doesn't that mean that it isn't selling well at it's launch price?
You know what? I think you may have missed part of my response, so I'll go ahead and quote it for you since you can't seem to wrap your head around this.
How it did at launch is (get ready for this)
*drum roll*
Completely irrelevant.
It's selling like hotcakes, it's outperforming any other portable system and Full blown consoles.
What it means is Nintendo miscalculated what people were willing to pay for it at launch.
First days are irrelevant if they contradict the rest of the sales:
If successful at release but tanks thereafter it is still a failure.
If unsuccessful at release but it outperforms EVERYTHING ELSE then it is a success.
I swear, you're acting like any movie that doesn't start with a shootout, explosion, or car chase then it isn't a good movie.

But enough about my points, let's get back to yours.
Why is it not a success if it is making truckloads of dosh? Do explain.
I read all that and I ignored it, here's why:
I am claiming they had a poor launch

You are saying that a poor launch doesn't matter. Well, it sounds like you are agreeing that they had a poor launch but don't think it matters. Why would I argue with you about that?

You may as well be saying that Pepsi has fewer calories than Coke because that too has nothing to do with what I am talking about.
 

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Crono1973 said:
I read all that and I ignored it, here's why:
I am claiming they had a poor launch

You are saying that a poor launch doesn't matter. Well, it sounds like you are agreeing that they had a poor launch but don't think it matters. Why would I argue with you about that?

You may as well be saying that Pepsi has fewer calories than Coke because that too has nothing to do with what I am talking about.
Funny that you ignore everything else you've been arguing in this thread and are now addressing this as though it's what you've been arguing the whole time. You see, even though you seem determined to ignore that you've done nothing but argue how poorly Nintendo has been doing and have had to eat those words, you still pretend like all you've been arguing is that it had a poor launch, which just is not true.
And no, no amount of editing your posts will change that. You were wrong about every one of your points in the last two pages whenever you tried arguing something new.
Whenever sufficient evidence got into your head to deny your claim, you abandon it as though it was not your own.
That's very dishonest of you.
 

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The Wii U may do good or bad who knows. It's obviously sensationalist journalism in work here to increase traffic. Apparently a sense of dread is getting a pretty good launch with a decent amount of sales. Oh the horror.
 

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Radoh said:
Crono1973 said:
I read all that and I ignored it, here's why:
I am claiming they had a poor launch

You are saying that a poor launch doesn't matter. Well, it sounds like you are agreeing that they had a poor launch but don't think it matters. Why would I argue with you about that?

You may as well be saying that Pepsi has fewer calories than Coke because that too has nothing to do with what I am talking about.
Funny that you ignore everything else you've been arguing in this thread and are now addressing this as though it's what you've been arguing the whole time. You see, even though you seem determined to ignore that you've done nothing but argue how poorly Nintendo has been doing and have had to eat those words, you still pretend like all you've been arguing is that it had a poor launch, which just is not true.
And no, no amount of editing your posts will change that. You were wrong about every one of your points in the last two pages whenever you tried arguing something new.
Whenever sufficient evidence got into your head to deny your claim, you abandon it as though it was not your own.
That's very dishonest of you.
Oh ok then, remind me, where have I claimed anything other than the WiiU and the 3DS had a poor launch?
 

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Crono1973 said:
Radoh said:
Crono1973 said:
I read all that and I ignored it, here's why:
I am claiming they had a poor launch

You are saying that a poor launch doesn't matter. Well, it sounds like you are agreeing that they had a poor launch but don't think it matters. Why would I argue with you about that?

You may as well be saying that Pepsi has fewer calories than Coke because that too has nothing to do with what I am talking about.
Funny that you ignore everything else you've been arguing in this thread and are now addressing this as though it's what you've been arguing the whole time. You see, even though you seem determined to ignore that you've done nothing but argue how poorly Nintendo has been doing and have had to eat those words, you still pretend like all you've been arguing is that it had a poor launch, which just is not true.
And no, no amount of editing your posts will change that. You were wrong about every one of your points in the last two pages whenever you tried arguing something new.
Whenever sufficient evidence got into your head to deny your claim, you abandon it as though it was not your own.
That's very dishonest of you.
Oh ok then, remind me, where have I claimed anything other than the WiiU and the 3DS had a poor launch?
In the OP, you argue that previous generation consoles are outselling the WiiU, same thing with post 6 and 10. (Special mention that the 3DS made no appearances thus far, meaning that you haven't been arguing shit about it until more recently.)
Post 12 you argue whether or not Nintendo is happy with it's sales and the legitimacy of the article. Unrelated to the OP.
Post 15 you argue that all consoles are dying and Nintendo is first, because why not.
Post 17 you call anyone arguing against you apologists and make yourself out to be a victim.
Post 20 you make fun of the WiiU and Wii's controller, trying to deflect the conversation to that instead.
Post 42 you argue the WiiU is a dumb name and looks too similar to the Wii, again not the original topic of the thread.
Post 49 you argue semantics about the audience size in 2000.
Post 51 you deflect more questions and claim that you've not had anything to do with saying the WiiU is doing poorly despite the really obvious fact that you've done nothing but argue against anyone who points out that it won't be a failure.
Post 53 is the same thing.
Post 57 basically proves the point you deflect in 51.
Post 59 is back in line with what you are saying was your argument the whole time, I will give you that.
Post 61 you're arguing that you like Nintendo to be struggling, I think. Not really sure why that would be the case considering it kind of disregards your own OP and your general tone throughout the whole thread.
Post 72 you post your Michael Pachter argument saying that the WiiU will have a price drop and that that is completely disastrous and again has nothing to do with a poor launch. (Also, FINALLY mention the 3DS here, seems kind of far in considering you hold it as an integral part of the thread.)
Post 76 you do talk a good amount about the poor launch of the 3DS and argue about the price drop and postulate that it is a sign of failure.
Post 78 you deflect a valid point about the PS3's poor launch and say that has nothing to do with the 3DS's poor launch. Also you argue why Pachter is a perfectly valid source of information because he gets paid to do it, which I just find absolutely hilarious.
Post 80 you ask what records are being broken by Nintendo's launches, which has nothing to do with the poor launches, pointing out that you are IN FACT talking about things other than the launch, which set off this massive post.

Then I joined the conversation which lead us here.
Don't ever try and pull the "What have I said?" card on someone who's spiteful and has some time to kill before bed.
 

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If a price drop comes, you will likely spin that too. Oh, as for the Pachter hate, how predictable. I expect that YOU are also getting paid for your predictions, because he is.
I've been following video-game related news for more than 7 years now and if there's one thing I've learned, it's that analysts are a joke and Pachter is a hack
 

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Radoh said:
Crono1973 said:
Radoh said:
Crono1973 said:
I read all that and I ignored it, here's why:
I am claiming they had a poor launch

You are saying that a poor launch doesn't matter. Well, it sounds like you are agreeing that they had a poor launch but don't think it matters. Why would I argue with you about that?

You may as well be saying that Pepsi has fewer calories than Coke because that too has nothing to do with what I am talking about.
Funny that you ignore everything else you've been arguing in this thread and are now addressing this as though it's what you've been arguing the whole time. You see, even though you seem determined to ignore that you've done nothing but argue how poorly Nintendo has been doing and have had to eat those words, you still pretend like all you've been arguing is that it had a poor launch, which just is not true.
And no, no amount of editing your posts will change that. You were wrong about every one of your points in the last two pages whenever you tried arguing something new.
Whenever sufficient evidence got into your head to deny your claim, you abandon it as though it was not your own.
That's very dishonest of you.
Oh ok then, remind me, where have I claimed anything other than the WiiU and the 3DS had a poor launch?
In the OP, you argue that previous generation consoles are outselling the WiiU, same thing with post 6 and 10. (Special mention that the 3DS made no appearances thus far, meaning that you haven't been arguing shit about it until more recently.)
Post 12 you argue whether or not Nintendo is happy with it's sales and the legitimacy of the article. Unrelated to the OP.
Post 15 you argue that all consoles are dying and Nintendo is first, because why not.
Post 17 you call anyone arguing against you apologists and make yourself out to be a victim.
Post 20 you make fun of the WiiU and Wii's controller, trying to deflect the conversation to that instead.
Post 42 you argue the WiiU is a dumb name and looks too similar to the Wii, again not the original topic of the thread.
Post 49 you argue semantics about the audience size in 2000.
Post 51 you deflect more questions and claim that you've not had anything to do with saying the WiiU is doing poorly despite the really obvious fact that you've done nothing but argue against anyone who points out that it won't be a failure.
Post 53 is the same thing.
Post 57 basically proves the point you deflect in 51.
Post 59 is back in line with what you are saying was your argument the whole time, I will give you that.
Post 61 you're arguing that you like Nintendo to be struggling, I think. Not really sure why that would be the case considering it kind of disregards your own OP and your general tone throughout the whole thread.
Post 72 you post your Michael Pachter argument saying that the WiiU will have a price drop and that that is completely disastrous and again has nothing to do with a poor launch. (Also, FINALLY mention the 3DS here, seems kind of far in considering you hold it as an integral part of the thread.)
Post 76 you do talk a good amount about the poor launch of the 3DS and argue about the price drop and postulate that it is a sign of failure.
Post 78 you deflect a valid point about the PS3's poor launch and say that has nothing to do with the 3DS's poor launch. Also you argue why Pachter is a perfectly valid source of information because he gets paid to do it, which I just find absolutely hilarious.
Post 80 you ask what records are being broken by Nintendo's launches, which has nothing to do with the poor launches, pointing out that you are IN FACT talking about things other than the launch, which set off this massive post.

Then I joined the conversation which lead us here.
Don't ever try and pull the "What have I said?" card on someone who's spiteful and has some time to kill before bed.
Are you going to show me where I argued anything other than the WiiU (or 3DS) is having/had a poor launch?

Let's look at your lazy examples (where you expect everyone to go read my post instead of you just quoting them for all to see right here).

I argue that the PS3 sold ALMOST as much. I didn't say what you accuse me of. I am going to stop chasing my tail here though because you couldn't be bothered to quote me. I wonder why that is.