Behold the Artist's Conundrum.ItsAChiaotzu said:
They must spend time creating something pointless to create something worthwhile.
A Solution To Piracy
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They must spend time creating something pointless to create something worthwhile.
Sorry, you really don't understand good and bad in this context.nuba km said:
Good = Things that were made purely for the merit of the art itself, because it shows integrity and feeling.
Bad = Things that were made purely for profit and to feed negative habits.
I suddenly have an image of a thousand ships, sails unfurled, sailing against the Spanish coast. Of course, seeing that they'd be manned by pasty and severely over/under-weight nerds, the Spanish would probably decimate them in a matter of minutes... win/win!i did it 4 the lulz said:
If you want to be really hard-assed on pirates, get some "pirate cops" to run modified torrent clients that tell you the ip of the computer you're connecting to, download torrents of copyrighted stuff, find the location of the reported ip and arrest the jerks that are sharing the file.
It's possible, ask any experienced computer programmer.
It's possible, ask any experienced computer programmer.
these are realy sensible solutions although there are some problems to some of the ideas (for instance the server thing would cost a monthly fee for the profucers) i see that the main point is that pirating should not be "worth it" i.e. takes way too much time and is too hard while still getting nowhere near good results. <.< personaly i am wiling to pay a bit extra to the developer/producer just to make sure that the guys making the game get the money to make more good games i would like to know wether anyone else agrees with mewulfy42 said:
Sorry but if art to you is only what you like then your understanding of art itself is painful. There is no point debating with someone who cannot appreciate what they do not like.ItsAChiaotzu said:
Idea:
2 versions of a game; A full one you pay full price for and another one thats free and full based on this: http://vimeo.com/10149605
So basically you either pay for no adds, or you get adds and don't pay.
If money is all that floats your boat, this'll make everyone happy!
Besides money is a lie anyway. Country x:"Oh dear, we are short on cash, lets print us some more!"
2 versions of a game; A full one you pay full price for and another one thats free and full based on this: http://vimeo.com/10149605
So basically you either pay for no adds, or you get adds and don't pay.
If money is all that floats your boat, this'll make everyone happy!
Besides money is a lie anyway. Country x:"Oh dear, we are short on cash, lets print us some more!"
Hmm. Maybe the analogy would be: hire them to rip off stuff from countries we're at war with, thus collapsing the economy and weakening them.i did it 4 the lulz said:
My thoughts are that there is no way to stop piracy, nor will there ever be a way. Piracy in the past worked the same way it does now; there is always a way to get around the rules. You can't stop a 'crime' from happening over and over again.
What you're suggesting is that everything be free anyway so that piracy was made physically impossible. That would lead to nothing, literally nothing. There would be no artists because there was no money in making the art. There would be no publishers because there was no money to sell the art. And, finally, there would be no consumer because there was no product.
You need to learn your simple economics. In this world, people work for money. If there is no money, there is no work.
What you're suggesting is that everything be free anyway so that piracy was made physically impossible. That would lead to nothing, literally nothing. There would be no artists because there was no money in making the art. There would be no publishers because there was no money to sell the art. And, finally, there would be no consumer because there was no product.
You need to learn your simple economics. In this world, people work for money. If there is no money, there is no work.
I think what you're missing is that while yes, some games are poorly done design-by-committee jobs, the vast majority of the best, most popular games were created with the dual purpose of making a great product and making money on it. And in my opinion, that is the system functioning as it should be. And these studios need to make a return on their investment, and piracy cuts into those returns. THAT is the problem with piracy(as pirates have proven time and time again that they don't give a damn if a game is "art", they'll pirate it all the same), and the existence of those design-by-committee games really has no impact on the issue of piracy.ItsAChiaotzu said:
What about those rappers who have enough disposable income to cure all the world's diseases but spend it all on samey vids with them showing off exactly how rich and popular they are?Starnerf said:
But the Indies are going to suffer massively if they lose waht little income they already have.
So your solution to piracy is to remove all the artists that want to make money? That isn't "solving" piracy, it's just removing a hell of a lot of talented musicians who happen to have some monetary motivations.
Meanwhile, in the real world, the music industry completely collapses, millions of people lose their jobs, and since no one listens to music due to lack of mainstream musicians, people don't express themselves that way anymore, as they wouldn't be listened too. This is like the twilight zone episode where the guy wishes everyone would go away so he could read quietly, and then he breaks his glasses.ItsAChiaotzu said:
imagine a worldwide law against making money one art, music etc.
then imagine the masses of people that would have nothing to do at all.
cause we do have a problem getting enough people work as it is.
do you really think thats fair? that someone like tarantino have to sell hotdogs
by the street to make ends meet, while putting brilliant movies together at night;
meanwhile some 4eyed, dull-as-a-rock, accountant get paid loads for sitting in an office,
nipping to his cafe latte and filing some documents now and then.
piracy used to be about economy; where people that couldnt afford it downloaded games
and films cause the industry charged way too much for them. the price level has not increased, atleast not in my part of the world, so there really are few excuses to pirate nowadays.
fact is that nowadays even you're granny can downloaded pirated crap, and trust me, she does!
And lastly, for anyone thinking they're not a pirate, i'm gonna wake this one up from its grave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI
then imagine the masses of people that would have nothing to do at all.
cause we do have a problem getting enough people work as it is.
do you really think thats fair? that someone like tarantino have to sell hotdogs
by the street to make ends meet, while putting brilliant movies together at night;
meanwhile some 4eyed, dull-as-a-rock, accountant get paid loads for sitting in an office,
nipping to his cafe latte and filing some documents now and then.
piracy used to be about economy; where people that couldnt afford it downloaded games
and films cause the industry charged way too much for them. the price level has not increased, atleast not in my part of the world, so there really are few excuses to pirate nowadays.
fact is that nowadays even you're granny can downloaded pirated crap, and trust me, she does!
And lastly, for anyone thinking they're not a pirate, i'm gonna wake this one up from its grave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI
It would never work, by not allowing artists to make money off thier art, they would have to have a "day job" cutting down on creative time and effort. it seems a little ignorant to me to say that no one making money in the music or games industry is an artist and it's all mindless crap, but that's just me.ItsAChiaotzu said:
